Day 9!! Help

If you tapered off Suboxone or stopped cold-turkey, how are you now? How did buprenorphine compare to other addiction treatments for you?
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Day 9!! Help

Post by Rambo132 » Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:25 pm

Well first time posting here so I'll give a brief summary of my story im 24 started taking percs at 16 went to about 200 mgs a day of Roxis in a year or so and the downward spiral started but finally figured out I had a problem and went and got help and found a suboxone clinic he started me at 16 MG and I stayed there for a year and started tapering from 8mg to 4mg and then 2mg then back up to 4mg and jumped
Day 1- not bad just nauseous
Day 2- RLS has started in full force have no motivation and just tired and no appetite
Day 3-5- same as day 2 except now the insomnia has started
Day 6- insomnia is getting to me but sleeping a couple hours here and there started work today made it through day extreme lack of motivation but I have my appetite back
Day 7- went to work still sleep is extremely hard to come by but I got up took a shower and made it through the day now its night and I'm starting to feel clamy and having cold chills got about 2 hours of sleep
Day 8 and 9- same as day 7

So now I'm on day 9 and need a little motivation when will it get better

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Re: Day 9!! Help

Post by Bupduped » Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:36 am

Hey Rambo,

It looks like you have things under control now. If you had come here before stopping most people would have said to taper real slow and steady. But your already done with it so good job putting it behind you. Let us no your progress
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Post by Rdphish73 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:18 am

I PROMISE you if you keep it up, it will get better. It takes a few weeks to start feeling better. Have faith my friend. You won't regret it.

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Post by Rambo132 » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:33 am

On day 19 now sleep has gotten up to about 5 or 6 hours except for tonight legs are restless again and having an episode of night sweats I don't get it been fine for 4 or 5 days and now I feel like I'm at day 9

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Post by Rdphish73 » Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:36 am

Hey Rambo......hang in there. Sometimes the withdrawals come back out of nowhere. Be patient. They will get less and less over time.

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Post by Rambo132 » Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:31 am

Good to hear just ready for my sleep to be back to normal but I'm being positive I'm 19 days now so I feel accomplished but I'm trying not to get cocky lol

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Post by suboxdoc » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:51 pm

Looks like you're in the home stretch...

For people considering a taper, I encourage you to go much lower before jumping. I haven't been following this thread so I don't know Rambo's situation - but the goal in stopping buprenorphine is for your receptors to recover their native tolerance. The maximum tolerance produced by 16 mg of buprenorphine isn't very different from the tolerance formed by 4 mg buprenorphine/day - so jumping from 4 mg will feel about the same as jumping from 16 mg.

On my blog, a few posts from the end, I go through the process in detail (at http://suboxonetalk.com). But in short, there is little or no physical withdrawal going from 16 to 8 mg/day, so that can be done over a month or two. But after the dose/response curve becomes almost a straight line, so the size of each reduction must be smaller. You also lose the benefit of the 'ceiling effect' when you get to lower doses, and buprenorphine acts more as a simple agonist -- so you will feel better if you dose more often, say 3 times per day instead of twice.

It takes 2-3 months for opioid receptors to regain their native state of tolerance after opioids are discontinued, but most of the recovery occurs in the first month. You're almost there Rambo -- good luck. Make sure you get rid of any leftover buprenorphine when you're done, because I've had a few people relapse to buprenorphine when they found it in the back of a drawer, a few years after stopping. The first line of protection is to eliminate access.

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Post by Rambo132 » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:13 pm

Thanks suboxdoc I'm doing good im on day 23 and I've worked since day 6 it was tough but the days are great its the nights that are still giving me trouble still sweat a little and only get 4-5 hours of sleep but I'm making it and trying to stay positive

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Post by jbwell » Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:58 am

How are you doing Rambo?

I’m on day 17, and the last 2 have suddenly taken a back slide. I started feeling better between days 10-15, but I’m getting some chills and leg pain again, despite being on clonidine. It is incredibly frustrating to suddenly take a turn for the worse.

The lack of sleep is really taking a heavy toll on me. It gets harder and harder to pull myself out of bed and go to work. I often can’t make it through the day, and I have a cushy job. The restless body parts are incredible at night. This is compounded by the fact that I have RLS as an underlying condition. Suboxone masked it for 3 years, but it is back worse than ever and in my back and arms now. I have an appointment with my neurologist/RLS specialist today, and I hope we can find a medication that works. I had cycled through almost all of them over the years, and all of the dopamine drugs end up failing and causing worse symptoms after time. I hope Horizant or Lyrica will work for me.

Has your sleep improved? If so, when did you start to see improvement.

Hope things are going well for you.

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Post by Rambo132 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:49 pm

Hey jbwell
Hope your doing better it's tough but you just have to keep on and keep a positive attitude
But I had the same problems with restless arms and legs it was awful but they have gotten better now they still come and go at times but nothing I can't manage but I'm on day 41 and my sleep is still not 100% I still only get 6 hours per night anyway hope all is well keep us updated

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Post by jbwell » Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:51 pm

Glad to hear things are continuing to improve for you. I’m at day 25, I think, and most physical symptoms are gone for the most part. I still get chilled when I’m in the air conditioning, which is really annoying, especially because it’s been really hot outside and my family needs the air on. The medication for my restless legs hasn’t gotten to the right dose yet, so every night is a disaster of flopping around for a few hours, and then I can’t stay asleep for more than 90 minutes. If I get 4 hours of sleep, that’s a success. The exhaustion is really starting to catch up to me. I look forward to getting to that 6 hours that you have reached. Hope it continues to improve for you. Lack of sleep is tough.
Appreciate your update. Interesting to hear how someone a couple weeks ahead of me is doing. Gives me some hope!
Stay well and good luck!

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Post by jbwell » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:12 am

Just passed the 1 month mark. Things have slowly gotten quite a bit better. My sleep is improving, although I’m still not sleeping through the night. I am getting 6-7 hours now, which is a huge improvement over weeks of 2-4 broken hours. I actually went back to golf league last night, and it felt great to be out there again. My brain feels clearer than it has in years, and I am feeling emotions more deeply again, in a good way.

The only persistent symptoms are some chills, occasional sore calves, and restlessness through my back at night. I did get some medication for my RLS, and it’s gotten mostly better, but the back is still annoying me for several hours each night. The chills are really annoying, too. Feel silly wearing a pullover when it’s 85 outside. Oh, well. It will pass eventually.

Hope you’re still doing well.

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Post by Rambo132 » Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:16 pm

Hey jbwell
Glad to hear things are getting better I'm at day 66 now and still can't sleep great but other than that I'm 100% I've got out more this past month than I have in 2 years its awesome I'll try to check back more frequently thanks

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Post by jbwell » Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:46 pm

Hey Rambo,

Glad you’re almost back to normal and things are going so well! Congrats on getting there!

I’m somewhere past 50 days. I stopped counting a while ago. Things are mostly better, but just had another recurrence of minor chills again the last couple of days, but not nearly as bad as before. My sleep is much better, but am still struggling with restlessness in my back every night. It went away for a week or so, but has been pretty consistent for the last 2-3 weeks…2-3 hours every night. Starting to wonder if it’s just going to be a permanent worsening of my underlying RLS. Sure hope not.

I am in Maui with my family for a couple weeks, and I am grateful to be done with Suboxone. It feels amazing to have a clear head and to not worry about having to put that strip under my tongue! So glad I stopped! Even with the lingering withdrawal symptoms, my life is so much more enjoyable!

Keep up the good work!

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