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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 9:32 am 
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Hi everybody,
I have been around but not posting for a few weeks. t expect I haven't been posting because I was unsure of everything. And texting was too difficult.
I changed to Zubsolv 5.1 two weeks ago almost. I could not reliably dose and was frustrated and concerned. These are way to expensive to screw them up.
Anyway , dosing with Zubsolv has been much easier plus they taste fine and dissolve faster. And I had a coupon. lol! On the subutex I got real constipated an hour. like everyone so when I skipped a dose through bad planning I didn't expect much because of the long half life. However, 14 hours in I had a huge bowel movement. Huge! Two weeks worrth. What a relief! So when I seemlessly switched to 5.7mg Zubsolv,(because I had been on 8 mg.of subutex) I was happy. But again the constipation. So after two weeks worth, I tried the same trick but three days later, no relief and NO withdrawals! Not a cramp, not a chill, nothing. Actually, 40 hours give or take. It might yet be in the cards. Thoughts? I know they are new but I was on a solid 8mg of subutex for almost three months. BTW 8mg sub is 5.7 Zubsolv.


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 2:50 pm 
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Maybe because you have not been on bupe very long you are not feeling any withdrawal symptoms? I am not sure but at 40 hours one would expect something.

Have you tried miralax for the constipation? Have you tried any OTC meds or home remedies?

For some reason i have never had that problem (knock on wood) but i feel for you. My Aunt has problems and now she takes miralax every day which does help her.


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Hi Tiki! I've been around but silent with shame, you know what I mean?

So two whole days is 48 hours, right? I went 54 and just started getting wd symptoms. The fact that I went from subutex to Zubsolv after three months on Subutex I figured that I had a pretty fair amount of sub in my system. But maybe I didn't and the switch to Zubsolv which is very easy to doSE, and doesn't crumble up and is much more tasty etc. I think I got the whole dose. It was 5.7. You are on Zubsolv aren't you ?

Barb and good to see you again and thank you for responding.


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Oh and what did finally work were two Ex-Lax and half a carton of Breyers carb smart ice cream. Lol!


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 12:44 am 
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Helllo, I am looking for some serious help here! I started on Zubsolv 5.7 mg Wednesday. I have taken one pill a day since then, so today is day 5. After reading so many horror stories I am seriously considering quitting cold turkey. I have abused hydrocodone for 17 years and on and off (around 70mg - 100mg a day on and off for the past 8 years). I have been through withdrawals countless times. I last used hyrdrocodone on Thursday 4/23 and Went to an "addiction specialist" Dr. on Wednesday 4/29. I had already been through withdrawals and I was interested in a long term solution- so I would not relapse and go back to hydros. The Dr put me on subsolve (5.7 once a day) with no explanation of how long he intended me to be on it. After reading all over the internet in the past few days, and reading the horror stories, it looks like I may be better off to quit the subsolv and go another (non-medication) route. My question is, "After 5 days at 5.7mg, will I suffer the terrible withdrawals everyone is talking about? Do I need to do a slow taper? Should I do a faster taper 1/2 pill, then 1/4, then 1/8, for the next several days?" I'm shocked that the Dr. put me on this now that I am reading online forums! Should I see if I can get Valium prescibed for a few days and quit cold turkey?" If you have some wisdom about this, I would greatly appreciate it!


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 1:05 am 
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When it comes to science based evidence, maintenance medications, if continued for a year or more have a much better track record for keeping opiate addicts from relapsing. There are a ton of opinions online, many of which are uninformed. And quite a number of which are biased on the opinion that the only way you can be in recovery is to be totally off all medications, including maintenance meds like methadone and buprenorphine (suboxone).

There are many people out there who are not ready to give up getting high. They will use bupe to avoid being sick between binges on pills or heroin. They are not ready for recovery, so don't listen to their stories. There are people out there who have heard things second hand about sub being so hard to taper off when/if it's time. Although tapering and detox aren't super fun, they are also not impossible. We have plenty of people here who have stopped suboxone successfully. Remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease! In other words, the people who are doing fine on sub are not all over the internet complaining about it! They are quietly living stable lives, and rebuilding what they lost during active addiction.

I urge you to spend some time here and on Talk Zone (tab at top of page). A doctor of psychiatry runs this forum and has written many articles about suboxone in the Talk Zone section. You owe it to yourself and your life to give zubsolv a chance and maintenance a chance. Don't make a knee jerk reaction without reading the facts for yourself. Go to the Talk Zone tab!!!

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 7:13 am 
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A 17 year opiate habit is not easy to break, IMO. On & Off all those years with withdrawals isn't good for our body's. The doctor started you at a low dose which is good. Did you ask how long he felt you needed to be on zubsolv? As Amy said, the people that step off bupe don't come online, they just go on living their lives. Some will choose vivitrol (i think thats the med) which is a shot you get monthly. You can't use on that so it's another safety net while you learn to live without opiates.

Learning to stay off opiates after many years is a process. It's up to you what you want to do but think honestly if you can stay away from hydro or you need some extra help.


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 7:17 am 
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No shame, it happens. Yes i am on Zubsolv. I like it. Just as you said, i like it for the same reasons as you.

I will have to remember ice cream as a laxative :lol: Hey, whatever works!

We can talk via PM if you want some extra support....


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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 12:07 am 
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Any and Tiki,

Thanks so much for your replies! My biggest concern in all of this is getting addicted to something else. I think I can handle the withdrawals when it is time to taper off of Zubsolv. If it is no worse than hydrocodone withdrawal, I know I'll be okay (any thoughts on whether it will be worse? I have heard some people say it's as bad as heroine withdrawal!). I don't like that Zubsolv makes me feel somewhat high- not euphoric like other opiates but I feel very much as if I am on something. I have also had extreme drowsiness at random times each day, and waking up has been brutal! Finally, I am more constipated with Zubsolv than I have ever been on other opiates, I am not sleeping well, and I have had back aches throughout each day. I work around 60 hours a week at a job which requires my full strength and attention- and I have to make multiple decisions each day which effect other people. I have a family and young kids-- in other words it's important for me to be on my "A" game.

Should I expect that these side effects will continue, increase, decrease, etc if I stay on? The Dr said he expects that I will need to stay on for 6 - 12 months. He never really explained if the 6+ months is supposed to re-wire my brain in some way or if it is just for prevention of relapse. I am not that educated in this. Do you know if these meds are supposed to have positive long-term effects after coming off of them, or do they just buy you time to get your stuff straightened out?

Do either of you know if withdrawals are still severe if you quit after only a week on Zubsolv?

Thanks again for you responses. It means A LOT to have someone I can talk with about this!
Sincerely appreciative, Re-boot 888


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I don't have any experience at quitting bupe after being on it for one week, so I can't answer that question. My suggestion would be to get a pill splitter and see if you can get by on 1/2 of the zubsolv pill. The side effects you are having are usually from taking too much bupe. However, if you stay on the same dose of zubsolv your body will get used to it and the side effects should subside.

The people that are telling you all these horror stories about bupe withdrawal are misinforming you. If you stick to a long, slow taper, you won't experience harsh withdrawal symptoms. Because bupe has a longer half-life than hydro, it will take longer to get it out of your system. But that doesn't mean you will be in tons of discomfort for a long time. You just have to taper slowly instead of jumping off a high dose.

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I read all these stories on youtube videos of people who have gotten off. First off I can't figure out who these people/person are/is.. My belief is its the same person writing these stories about PAWS coming 9 months/4months/8 months/ 2 years later (they change it to tailor the video).. They always say its the worst and the depression last for 10 years to life etc, etc.. Don't believe these people. Unfortunately right now I can't tell you what it's like after 6 months because I only made it 6 months before I wanted that "one more time"... I've never had to withdrawal from SAO before but I can tell you that I jumped from a high dose of 6 mgs, and I worked through it, didn't miss a day and went on a trip in a small cramped box truck from East Coast NC to Phoenix, AZ (like 3200 miles) on day 12-16.. You'll still withdrawal, but from reading post and my own personal experience the physical part is not near as rough, especially if you taper, and getting yourself back to normal depends on your drive and desires and will... It can be done, however like someone else said, a 17 year habit is hard to break.. (I'm trying to break a 4 year habit) I wouldn't try to get off until you are ready, if you are ready.. Nothing wrong, at all, with staying on. You're still clean in my eyes.. I've decided to get off but I feel completely ready and am going to take steps to ensure I don't take anything.. Good luck and keep posting. Thanks


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Today is day 3 of zubsolv withdrawal for me. Over a 6 month period tapered from 5.6 mg/1X daily (sometimes more if my inner addict was being feisty). 56 hrs ago I took my last dose (1 mg) and withdrawals began 7 hours after this dose. My metabolism may be higher than the average person but I typically withdrawal from opiates under 5 hours after use.
I still have lingering effects, but honestly believe this cold turkey withdraWal is more effective than a taper. yes it will be hell the first 24 hours, but I found a trick that works great to ease body without using xanax or other opiates.

My first day:
Layed in bed, kicked and tossed and turned, felt like using.
The only thought that got me through day one (which was by far, the worst) was convincing my mind that after this week of misery, I will be given 10 million dollars for all of this pain. Obviously this won't really happen, but the thought alone was enough to help me trick my mind that this pain is definitely worth 10 million dollars. I believe the power of positive thought is what is getting me through. I also tricked myself into thinking "I've been bit by a snake and am recovering from poisoning. I'll live. It will be out of my body soon and ill be back to myself in a few days."
Did not take ANY drugs first day once WD kicked in. It was shitty as ever but I know I'm done being a slave to zubsolv. Waking up and dragging until I can get my dose. Being a mother who feels she can't function without a substance is one of the worst guilts. I slept maybe 3 hours this night, watched a shit ton of netflix, couldn't smoke more than one cigarette, and drank lots and lots of water. Didn't eat much except Ramen noodles.
Took a prenatal vitamin (packed with omega 3s and vitamin c
My second day:
Took 2 hot showers
Took 8 2mg limotil (helped immensely with body cramps, mental haze, tiredness, restless legs, and cravings) I also have Loperamide D but haven't needed it so far.
Took one .25 xanax around 6 pm
Had one round of decent sex and the endorphins definitely gave me a boost
Smoked one Doobie (helped with shakes, chills, appetite loss)
Ate orange, apple, grapes, bottle of muscle milk, and cheddar broccoli soup (this all replenished my low vitamin levels and gave me the nourishment I needed. felt 80 percent better after eating
Took a prenatal vitamin (packed with omega 3s and vitamin c)
Slept for 10 hours this night!
I can't believe it!

Day 3
Showered around 11,
Took a prenatal vitamin (packed with omega 3s and vitamin c)
drank a cup of coffee, smoked a doobie, and took one 200 mg ibuprofen. No diarhea, No vomiting, no cravings. I feel 70 percent back to myself.
I will keep you posted on day 4 and my journey of finding complete sobriety. Zubsolv helped me get from point a to b for 6 months. but my heart knew it was time to get clean off of it. I lost my presciption bottle and truly believe it was meant to be timing wise so I could finally make no more excuses.
I pray for all of you goingredients through it! It's a vulnerable, painful road but so worth it to be a real, feeling person again.


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Hi, girl next door and welcome to the forum.

Thanks for sharing your detox process. Jumping from a high dose is one way of doing it. I find a slow tapering process so much easier myself. I haven't gone off my Zubsolv, but I tapered from 16 mg of suboxone to 2mg of Zubsolv over several months. Easy peasy!

I really don't understand or relate to some of the things you mention. I have no problem being a "real feeling person" on my medication. I laugh, cry, love, feel joy and sorrow. And I certainly have no feelings of enslavement! On oxycodone I felt like a slave. I had no control. Now I feel completely normal. I take my medication like I take my birth control pill and omeprazole.

I hope that 6 months on the medication was long enough for you to address your recovery from addiction. The scientific evidence is showing that taking buprenorphine for less than a year yields a relapse rate of 90 to 95%. It's not pretty. But opioid addiction is not pretty.

I hope that you have the best outcome possible after you're finished with detoxing. Find an addiction therapist and/or an active self help group like SMART Recovery to keep on track. Let us know about how you're doing!

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I don't understand why u weren't feeling emotions while taking buprenorphine. I have no problems whatsoever with this either. I cry, I feel happy, I go through an emotional roller coaster around my time of the month, I get mad as heck at my fiancé and I enjoy life like I did before opiates entered my life. I'm not emotionally or physically stunted by suboxone at all.

I too hope that u were on buprenorphine long enough to be ready to go completely off of it. I must admit, I have never heard that approach of tricking ur mind into thinking u won 10 million dollars lol! That's pretty unique. Also the part u mentioned about thinking you'd been bitten by a snake..... now that one I kinda tried that concept in the past. When I'd be sick (in active addiction), I'd always try to tell myself that this was no different than having the flu. I'd always think that if I could suffer through the flu then why can't I suffer through withdrawal. So I get what ur saying about that. But I didn't succeed because the mental cravings always won in the end.

I usually could get through the physical withdrawal but not the mental. It's awesome that u haven't had cravings yet, but u have to prepare urself for when u do. Stopping is only half the battle, staying stopped was my hardest part. That's why u gotta have a plan like Amy suggested. Addiction is so complex and something we'll be fighting our entire lives. I hope ur not opposed to returning bk to buprenorphine in the future if u need to. I understand u wanting to try life without it, but don't be afraid to return bk on it if u need to.

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thanks for your input and support ladies. I am going to enter counseling and attend 12 step NA this coming week to help me through this all. I am confident I will never pick up another opiate, but if I do find myself craving I just gotta push to the next hour and the next. Please pray for my son and I as I need double strength to carry him around 24/7!!
And as for emotional lack of feelings--I may have worded myself wrong. I just know that the little things in life were always so much more beautiful and intense when I was free from any substance. I long for the day when I wake up with natural energy, no back pain, and can keep up without needing to sniff something or use zubsolv. I think it's a wonderful drug but I do despise the cycle of using it.

End of day 3
Took a .25 xanax around 6.
cramps are increasing slowly.
Am very sleepy, ate a bowl of soup and ate a banana. Now I am listening to music eating chocolate (both release dopamine)
Feeling 60% myself physically.
Mentally, 80 percent myself!!!


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I was in a bad car accident in 2012 I broke my spine ankle shoulder sternum and foot. I had three small kids at home. I couldn't walk for 8 months. I was on round the clock pain medications for 3 years. I decided I didn't want to be on pain pills anymore so I decided to go on suboxone. Which most doctors don't take insurance so you pay a minimum of 150 cash just to walk in doctors. Then you pay for medication. I recently had a dr that bcs I wrote a bad review on their website ended taking care of me. I could go to a different doctor and start all over again but in my head I want to be done. I have only been off for a week and everything hurts my body my insides my mind. I now have two of my children home with me, and going through all of this is the hardest thing I have ever done physically. Are there any home remedies for the withdrawal symptoms?


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