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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:27 pm 
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I've been taking Suboxone for only three weeks so far. I can't get the film, due to insurance reasons, but I find that I actually LIKE the tablet. It doesn't taste that bad to me.

I like how when it melts nearly to the end, and it's a small piece, I can wiggle my tongue and squish that last little piece into mush and make it slip back up under my tongue, where those thick blue-ish veins are. At this point, my mouth is full of saliva and I have to swallow. Am I supposed to let that spit sit in my mouth longer? Or is it okay to swallow when it's finally all melted? I guess it takes about 15 minutes for a whole tablet to melt and of course, less time for a half. Sometimes I take a half, sometimes a whole one.

I also like how it's a tiny little bit gritty/crunchy at the end, and I can nibble those tiny particles between my teeth for the crunch.

Swallowing is really the part when the nasty part of the taste hits you, and I eat a small spoonful of tropical sherbet to annihilate that taste. Is this okay to do?

Thanks for all of the tips and comments. I'm looking forward to starting week #4 this Monday.


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I have had both the tablet and film and I have to say that I prefer the tablet over the film. The taste of the film makes me sick to my stomach and if I swallow any bit of spit with the film I throw up. The tablet to me tastes 100 times better. Just my opinion.


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I've not had a chance to try the film, but all I can say is I do NOT like the films you can buy to freshen your breath, so I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like Suboxone film either. I'm happy with the tablets. At first, I was thinking I'd gotten the worse of the 2, but now I truly believe I would not be happy with the films.


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I definitely prefer the tablet. The film is supposed to dissolve faster and make it easier to take, but in my experience, it is definitely NOT! For one, the film is harder to get in the proper place then the tabs, and it also tends to get stuck to your teeth, etc. ICK! It tastes so much worse than the tabs IMO too. What really kills me though, is with the films, I can crush them with my teeth, and it's instantly dissolved(I believe I read that suggestion from the Good Doctor himself? If not, it was somewhere else on the boards), where the film actually takes longer. Plus, although it's not as bad anymore but definitely still there, it makes my tongue have this weird sensation, it almost feels a little numb, but it BURNS TOO. Anybody else have this with the films? I know it sounds so weird, i've never heard anyone else speak of this.

For now, my doctor put me on the films because of the discount card(which was really helpful!), but since it is now expired i'm going to switch back to the pills, well, actually i'm going to talk to him about switching to generic bupe, as with my insurance, it should only cost me a couple bucks to fill, I hope.

Edit: YES blackberrybunny, I too thought it was going to be awesome switching to the film, I pictured them dissolving in a matter of seconds like those listerine strips, but it doesn't work that way. It is a cool idea in concept, it just needs some tweaking to be my preferred choice.


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I love the film!! I had some old tablets left that I recently tried to get rid of, and noticed that I got a headache. Then I remembered I'd had headaches for the year previous, when I was on the subs. So I think the tablets actually give me bad AM headaches.

For me, the film tastes much better, and absorbs so much faster.

More evidence that we are all very different!


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When I was still on suboxone I preferred the film. When i was switched to generic subutex I was unhappy about giving up the film. To my surprise I actually prefer the generic tabs. They have almost no taste and dissolve quite easily. I got the roxanne version and have read a lot of bad stuff about them but they have been good for me so far.


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I was just wondering now if the film makes your mouth fill up with saliva, like the tablets do? At first, the first couple of days when I started my Suboxone tablets, I'd swallow the saliva and I had a little bit of a burning throat and some heartburn from it. I was just wondering if the films make your mouth water also? Now I just spit that mess out after I swish it around in my mouth for a good 10 minutes or so.

I wish I could find that website I ran across one day that said putting those meds under your tongue because of those blood vessels are there is really unnecessary, as your entire mouth can absorb medicine. I don't know if it's true or not. If you really want to know what I think, I think they tell you to put it under there just so you won't accidentally swallow it! Once I thought I was having a heart attack and sent for an ambulance, and they made me put one of those heart tablets UNDER my tongue while I was laying in the ambulance, and now I think they do that as protocol, because you are laying down, and they don't want you to accidentally swallow the pill. I mean, you're laying there feeling like an elephant is on your chest, and if that nitrous pill, or whatever they call it, isn't under your tongue, safe and snug, you might just accidentally swallow it. So I really believe the under-the-tongue routine is just a myth really. People who use snuff or Skoal (YUCK!!!!!!) don't put it under their tongues, right? They put it inside their cheek.

What do you guys think?


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You don't have to put suboxone ONLY under the tongue. It will absorb through any of the mucous membranes in the mouth (for the purposes of this discussion). Have you read about Dr. Junig's method for maximum absorption? Do a search for it and check it out. You should have no trouble finding it on both the forum and on his blog.

But yes, it will absorb inside your cheeks, on your gums, all over inside your mouth with a mucous membrane.

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Breezy_Ann wrote:
When I was still on suboxone I preferred the film. When i was switched to generic subutex I was unhappy about giving up the film. To my surprise I actually prefer the generic tabs. They have almost no taste and dissolve quite easily. I got the roxanne version and have read a lot of bad stuff about them but they have been good for me so far.


HI TO ALL AND HOPE EVERYONE IS DOING WELL! BREEZY I AM ALSO ON THE GENERIC ROXANNE TABLETS. I ASKED MY DOCTOR TO SWITCH ME TO SUBUTEX FROM SUBOXONE BECAUSE I FELT IT WORKED BETTER (( MOST LIKELY ALL IN MY HEAD!))....MY DOCTOR DOES NOT ACCEPT INSUR. FOR SUB. TREATMENT SO IT IS $150.00 CASH PER VISIT. THEY WILL, HOWEVER, GIVE ME A COPY OF MY RECORDS FOR THAT DAY SO I CAN SEND IT IN TO MY INSR. AND GET REIMBURSED.
MY SUBUTEX IS $10.00 FOR A BOTTLE OF 60 8MG. TABS...I'M NOT REALLY UPSET, I'M GRATEFUL TO HAVE IT, BUT HE TAKES INSUR. FROM ALL THE OTHER PATIENTS THAT ARE ON PAIN MGM. ETC??????
ALSO, WHAT HAVE YOU READ THAT IS BAD ABOUT SUBUTEX/ROXANNE? THANKS.............JUDY


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Hi Judy,
My doc does the exact same thing. He is a psychiatrist/addiction specialist and doesn't take insurance due to the fact that it is just him and one office girl and doesnt have the man power to deal with the insurance companies but he gives you everything you need to submit it to your insurance. However he does not take insurance from any of his patients even if they are just psych patients and not seeing him for addiction.

As far as what I have read about the roxanne version is some people have posted that it is inconsistent. To be honest I don't know what else they just say they do not like it and prefer other generics over it. I have had no problems with it so far and have been happy with it.


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Breezy_Ann wrote:
Hi Judy,
My doc does the exact same thing. He is a psychiatrist/addiction specialist and doesn't take insurance due to the fact that it is just him and one office girl and doesnt have the man power to deal with the insurance companies but he gives you everything you need to submit it to your insurance. However he does not take insurance from any of his patients even if they are just psych patients and not seeing him for addiction.

As far as what I have read about the roxanne version is some people have posted that it is inconsistent. To be honest I don't know what else they just say they do not like it and prefer other generics over it. I have had no problems with it so far and have been happy with it.


THANKS FOR THE INFO.............JUDY


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I haven't tried the tabs in about 2 years, and that was when I was doing Suboxone recreationally, but by far I prefer the film(I call them strips). The tabs seemed to rub underneath my tongue so much so it would become raw and sore. Also I could not stand to wait until the tab dissolved. It took what seemed like hours. I know it was really only 20-30 minutes, but compared to the strips, 30 minutes is too long to wait. I'm taking 12mg a day and 1½ strips dissolve faster than ¼ of a tab. Dosing with strips takes about 5-7 minutes and it's over(excluding the 15-20 wait before drinking or eating, of course). To me both taste about the same-horrible, lol.


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Personally, i like the films. To me they taste better and seem to be a better delivery system for the med. The tablets generated such a huge amount of nasty tasting goo/saliva. It was impossible to take them without it being very noticeable. However, i have noticed that sometimes i get the numb sensation on my tongue, and a weird residual effect on my taste buds. I have wondered too about freshness with the films, because the texture varies. Sometimes when i open a package, the film is broken in half, and they sometimes have a different appearance. Has anyone else found this?

There is only one thing i seriously dislike about the films: All the packaging! THis system seems excessively wasteful, with each 8mg film in it's own little envelope, and then there's all the paper that comes in each box. Plus i get a bundle from the pharmacy itself. When you're using a medication like this long term, there's no need for all this paper!

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Are the films orange? Do they make your saliva orange? I get orange teeth from the tablets, because I'm swishing my saliva all around in the inside of my mouth, making sure it gets everywhere.


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The films are Orange but they do not get all over and turn everything Orange like the tabs. The only time I have had Orange on my teeth was if I accidentally got some of the film on them but it dissolves right off.


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I am still prescribed the tablets--last time I saw my doctor I forgot to ask to be switched to the films. However, i have been able to try the films because I have traded a few tabs for films with someone i know who is also on sub--I know, I know, I guess technically that's a type of diversion--but we both have legit scripts and we traded evenly--1 tab for 1 film. I have to say that I prefer the films over the tabs because the tabs really taste terrible to me. And i salivate a lot and have this nasty tasting orange goo all over my mouth and then feel like I should not spit or swallow right away in order to let the sub absorb. The films don't create that goo so they don't taste so bad and they are known to absorb faster and better than the tabs too. I do have the problem of the tabs getting stuck to my teeth and sometimes folding over on themselves though. Another benefit of the films, is, supposedly the buprenorphine in the tablets is not necessarily distributed evenly through the pills so if you are taking a dose of less than a full tablet a day you may not be consistently getting an accurate dose at all, while with the films supposedly you can cut them into halves and on down and assume that the dose is divided just the same as you divided each film. The only reason i might want to use the tabs is if I wanted to do a water-taper at the end of tapering off altogether--I guess the films might be able to be dissolved into a water solution, but I've heard that it is not a good idea because the films don't have whatever preservative is in the tablets that makes the buprenorphine last when dissolved in water and saved.


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I agree with you, breezy. The tablets are exceptionally messy and have a much stronger taste. I took them for about a year and a half. I got used to them but the films are just so much more streamlined, start to finish. And they don't make my mouth orange. There is still a bit of the taste, but nothing like with the tablets. Just wish they would ease up on the packaging nonsense. Two very detailed, tiny print, explanatory sheets per box of 30, plus pharmacy paperwork, plus all the little "envelopes" each film comes in... They should come in boxes of 90 for those of us who get our script 90 at a time. Sorry if i'm ranting about this, but in this world of landfills filling up, we need to be minimizing our waste, not increasing it. I don't need the molecular formula and detailed instructions for taking the med when i'm taking it long term. I wonder if the manufacturer would listen to a suggestion about this...?

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I've been on subs for a month (first timer) and have only had the tabs, but I actually LIKE the taste! It's nice and orange-y with a little tang in my cheeks as the saliva juice slips from under my tongue down the side into my throat. I think it's fun. The more I read on these forums about the "crush and distribute all over mouth" way for maximum absorption though the more I want to try it. Perhaps tomorrow. Because if I'm actually wasting precious medicine by doing the under the tongue method, well then that's horrible! I need all I can get!


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I've used both film and tablets I've herd they want to switch us to film because
the patent has ran out on the tablets of suboxone. The patent for the film is good till 2025
I dunno but I guess suboxon is difficult to copy?


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after having used both tabs and films, i can tell you that i 100% prefer the tabs. when the films first came out i immediately switched to them hoping to decrease dissolving time! i found it actually took longer to absorb as it took some time to get the films out of the packet and then strategically place them under my tongue without them touching (i am prescribed 32mg daily). and i started to get boxes of the brittle subs that came out cracked. after calling Reckitt Benckiser and letting them know about the brittle films, they said all i had to do was open each film and take the brittle ones back to the pharmacy and they will replace them. they also said they were aware of the situation and were working on it. so i decided to switch back to the tabs and i have never been happier!

thank you suboxone! you have given me my life back!


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