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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:56 am 
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I am currently in withdrawal from quitting suboxone cold turkey i quit cold turkey from 2-3 (8mg strips) a day! This is day 6. Today is the worst. Now I can't sit still not even for a sec. My body is uncontrollably moving. I feel like hell. I couldn't afford my appointment this month and even though I've never messed up in the 3 years I've been in sub maintenance my doc still wouldn't work with me.

So my question is which day is worst when going cold turkey off suboxone. Suboxone only (not other drugs please, thanks) just suboxone cold turkey advice!

Is it gonna get worse physically ? Is this over after today? I don't know what to expect. All I know is it has it moments where it feels like when I stopped H three years ago.

I can't make it to my doc with the money until this Friday and I am taking absolutely nothing except Motrin I don't even smoke weed I don't do nothing. I've been completely clean for 3 years and on sub!

It sucks that people with no healthcare and can't afford tr healthcare they need have to suffer the most!

I feel for everyone whose been or is going through this or will go through this. I've beat dope before but nothing can describe sub withdrawal. I'm not gonna say it's better or worse than dope detox but it's a different kind of hell, a different level of hell. But hell is hell.
I appreciate everyone's comments and help.

I don't think I can make it till Friday, I'm trying to be strong. I've begged my rich dad for help but he's awful and won't throw a penny at a homeless child. So I can't magically come up with money for my doc till Friday. I can't make it till then I'm afraid.


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For people who quit from the dose you did, wd usually peaks between day 7 - 10. It's not going to get much worse in the next few days, just pretty much more of the same with maybe some slightly worse symptoms.

If you're having extreme trouble with your bowel movements going nuts, Imodium AD helps a lot. Other than that, there's really not much of anything available OTC to help. Wish I had better news for you, sorry.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:47 am 
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KadyRx wrote:
I can't make it to my doc with the money until this Friday and I am taking absolutely nothing except Motrin

KadyRx wrote:
I don't think I can make it till Friday, I'm trying to be strong. I've begged my rich dad for help but he's awful and won't throw a penny at a homeless child. So I can't magically come up with money for my doc till Friday. I can't make it till then I'm afraid.
I know your feeling horrible, and everyone is trying to help. We've all been without and know how it is.

Might be a long-shot, but I was just thinking about it and wondering if you could possibly post-date a check for this coming friday when you do have the money? Just write the check out, date it for friday, and see if you can get in today to get some subs because you are very sick.

Maybe call your bank in advance, tell them it's possible the doctor could send the check through before friday, and ask them if they would kindly hold it until then when you can deposit the money into your account. That way it might save you the NSF fee if it did go through if they knew ahead of time.

All I can think of right now, and hope it helps. If the doctor only accepts cash, call and ask the office personel if you could please write a check today only. Might work and I honestly hope it does.

Good luck!

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The OP's situation is why it is imperative to stash some extras in preparation for such an occasion. Every month just take a little less for a day or two and save that and keep doing it so you end up with a "just in case" stash. I used to worry about this every month early in treatment but I saved up enough to where if something happens I have plenty to taper if need be. No one should be forced to cold turkey any amount let alone the huge amount the OP is on, thats just cruel. Pretty disgusting that a doctor would be so cold about it, your really no different than a drug dealer if you won't even try to work with someone unless they put 100+ dollars in your hand just for 5 minutes of your time.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:26 pm 
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Agreed Buprecision, it is definitely a good idea to keep a few extra on hand for this type of emergency. And, with the amounts the OP is prescribed it shouldn't be that difficult.

Yes, the doctor in this case does seem to be incredibly uncaring to have done what he has done to Katy. I believe I read in your other post, Katy, that this was the first month you have seen this particular doctor? I guess that makes it a bit easier to understand why he wouldn't feel safe giving you extra subs to get through the month, but not much. Guaranteed if he had ever had to go through this type of WD he would have been on the phone calling those things in for her in a heartbeat. It's unfortunate that more doctors don't grasp the severity of what they are doing when they allow a patient to go cold turkey from that high of a dose without so much as a second thought about their pain.

Katy, I wish there was more we could do for you. I think Brown Eyed Girl had the best suggestion so far. Maybe if you bug them enough they will come up with some kind of a solution for you. You know, the squeeky wheel gets the grease. Letting you post date a check seems like a good solution. I would try to play on their sympathies as much as possible, after all they must care about people to some degree if they went into the medical profession. It just seems completely unethical to let somebody suffer like that when they have the ability to ease it and choose not to.

Let us know if you have any luck.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:10 pm 
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this type of situation makes me love my doctor so much more....he has truly cared about me from day 1....you all know the standard for starting subs....on day 1 i was given my dose at the office...waited an hour felt great so stayed at 8 mg....came back the next day to be written a script for 1 week, come back in a week and get 1 month...

but when i went the day after induction to get my 1 week script he said "i wanna see you back here in 1 week, BUT im writing you a script for 10 DAYS...i do this because we are coming into the winter months and in case of a snowstorm or any other reason that our office would be closed or the pharmacy would be closed, then you wouldnt be screwed...and the reason i do this for all my patients even without knowing much about them is because i dont want them to be at risk, if they ever cant get their script on time...and if they abuse those extras or sell them or whatever, then thats on them...if the emergency comes and they need them, its their fault if they dont have them"



not only that but the fact that most offices consider a month to be 4 weeks..in my case, my appointment is on a thursday every 4 weeks(maybe thats because they aren't open on fridays) - and so my script for 1 month equals 30 subs...and i get my script written every 4 weeks (28 days)..that allows me to accrue 2 extra subs each month....im assuming its not like this for everybody, since the OP has run out.

makes me really appreciate my doctor, and makes me sorry that everyone's doctor isn't this nice

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sounds like a good attitude. The other thing is that buprenorphine is schedule III for a reason-- if it was intended to never be called in, it would be a schedule II medication.

But regarding the cold turkey question, the peak will depend on many factors, but I like Romeo's numbers in general. The peak doesn't hit until your blood level drops below the 'ceiling threshold'-- so it depends on how much you have been absorbing, how you metabolize buprenorphine (some drugs interfere with buprenorphine metabolism), your body fat composition, etc..

Cold turkey NEEDS clonidine. People don't think it works all that much, but I've seen many people directly after taking it-- and they go from sitting and moaning to standing (and moaning). I know I posted the same thing a few days ago.... but any doc who doesn't at least RX a bit of clonidine is a true sadist.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:17 pm 
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Hey Katy,

I just wondered how you were doing today? Were you able to get your doctor to help you out any?

Let us know, I have seen you posting on other threads and haven't seen a mention of how you are feeling today.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:35 pm 
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Hey just a thought to the OP. Now that you have gone through some of the worst part of your withdraw, you can almost definitely take less and still get the same effect. I would probably take just 1-8mg or 1/2 - 8mg and you will probably feel the same as when you were on 2-3 strips a day.

So while you are going thru hell right now, there is a silver lining of needing less medication. I would also pickup your reg amount of meds on Friday at your appointment and stash about half of your meds for the "just in case" pile. I personally try to have at least a week of meds stashed for problems at the pharmacy, scheduling etc.

I am sorry you are going thru this, I am sure it sucks, but at least you will probably not feel any worse that you do now. Keep on going and you are almost at FRIDAY!!


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do NOT get let that quack give you 90 subs. you're sick enough that 8 mg will last you a good 36 hours of healthy releife.please trust me on this. i'm having the same problem you are.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:59 pm 
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Hey everybody I just saw these post and I appreciate all the help and advice. I'm doing ok today, what happened is I got to a point where I couldn't take it anymore. So I went to a payday loan place and was approved and went straight to my doctor.

A few things happened, some good , some bad. I'll share though.

First of all let me say this. My disease is a beast! It's ever progressing. It's waiting on me to screw up, and it's been waiting for any little door or thought that it can squeeze through. And that kinda happened this week.

I got 425$ out at a pay day loan- went through ups and downs with my bf because It reminded us of dope behavior. When I was using I had to get pay day loans to pay the dope dealer. And here I was sick and the only way to get my doc to help me was get a pay day loan.
Pissed me off.

But anyways, all the 425 is all I had. And even though it wasn't my fault I had to go through this, my doctor made me pay an extra 50$ because I didn't come to my appointment with money a week ago! I was like excuse me!!! But I am a nice person and never get bent out of shape directly to someone's face. I just bitch about it at home. When I was in active addiction I wouldn't have hesitated to throw a tantrum that could have me thrown in jail. But I've changed.

So I politely payed their stupid 50$ which made my 28 day appt. 350$ that left me with 60$ bucks to buy meds out of pocket and get gas for my car. But I was able to get enough meds to last me just until my paycheck tomorrow. I have A disability so I get ssi. That's also one reason I'm not a candidate or colonodine sadly. It could drop my blood pressure dangerously as happend before and I ended up in an ambulance with no Bp or pulse and scared doctors.

I have a vascular disease and a disease that effects my blood, all my organs, and my heart. Each organ can be affected at any given time. Sometimes I don't even pee correctly and fluid stays in me. Nobody can tell im sick by looking at me cause I don't let it own me. My health is a lot of the reason I became so addicted in the past.
I was the girl who was getting pain meds from the doc at age 15 and on demand iv pain meds without question, and yes I really needed them but I also realized after awhile I had some problems and pain meds were maybe helping them but also making them worse. Then I found myself waking up without pain and still needing a pill to function. So I've came a long way. And suboxone helps suppress a lot of the discomfort from my disease and so not only did I go through Wd from it but I was very sick in other aspects, and tryin to get a man to understand that made It even harder.

As I have explained before, my bf/ fiancé is an alcohol and drug counselor HA, and kinda a martyr against suboxone long term use!

But anyways, I took my meds I took the reg dose and it kinda hit me hard but I didn't know what else to do, I don't know how to take less. :( it's like I need my dose and can't save because I need that much right now.
I don't understand how the levels work and I wish someone could explain it to me so I could cut myself back.

Also, my doctors office checks levels to make sure you're taking the right amount each day and if you don't they jump ya ass. I know I mentioned this is a new doc and he is but I actually saw him year ago for a while. -and I've just came back to him, so he's new to me again.

One time I got gastritis and couldn't take a dose cause I was vomitting and the counselor at my dr said "did you miss a dose cause your levels say you have" and I explained it and she looked at me like she was mad and like I better get it together ha.
So yeah.

My bf says I should ween regardless if they check levels or not. And I agree with him. I just don't understand how sub works and what I need todo to bring my levels down properly so when I stop it finally- I won't withdraw.
It's also like my disease was waiting for me to mess up and since I hadn't had sub in awhile when I took it again it kinda effected me badly which I explain in another post in <suboxone misc> help can someone tell me if I've relapsed>
I believe that's the category.
Things have leveled out though and I kinda feel depressed but normal again. It's kinda that feelin that's like ugh.

I just knew I had to get up off my ass and go do something to take care of my business, so with my bfs help I went an got a pay day loan and went to my doc.
I was nice to the docs office even after all I had been put through by them and I even told the lady I knew I wasn't her fault I didn't have money.

Even though it kinda links back to them (see my original story).
In my original story I kinda was edgy and moody and I think others thought I was being rude and I think I thought they were bein rude but nobody was being rude.

But anyways, I just felt raped by my doctors office haha.

And I've met sub doctors before who will actually write a script for their paitents for about 5# suboxone and tell them to put it up and call it their "rescue script" an that's pretty cool. Idk why I've had such bad luck with docs man. There's some places that take insurance and pay for visits and I of all people need that, if anybody needs this covered it's me, and a lot of other people here. My insurance actually covers a lot but it's hard to find a doc that accepts my particular insurance. I've been told I can change to Medicaid or Medicare but idk how.

We don't struggle for money, I mean times get hard, but we just struggle to pay 600-800$ dollars extra a month for healthcare (suboxone therapy). And it can put a hole in your pocket and your relationship with your s/o!
And my doctor will not ever form a heart no matter what and I did try callin back and he still wouldn't do it. I have found a lot of resources since then though and am gonna do all I can to prevent myself from ending up in this situation again.

I want weened off this medicine! And now ! I want a completely clean life so bad that I cry my eyes out for it.
I have so much will power to live a life free of all drugs and to work a recovery program, the only thing holding me back is a proper doctor who will step me down correctly and who isn't naive when it comes to it. I desperately need some help and I will continue to search the forum to see if I can find help with this!
And to come to a conclusion : sometimes you just to to the doc that you can , even if he's not the one you want! I'm still searching for a new doc and praying to find someone who can help me and treat me like a patient instead of a case number. :) I do give props for all the sub docs who actually have dealt with addiction and actually have a heart !!!! You all are what gives people like me hope in this program. And all you people who share here on this forum I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for trying to help the best you can and you all help a lot and you are my daily support system!!!


I love you all lots and I appreciate you.

Lots of love
Kady


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kathy, i would call your dr.'s office and tell them you want money back, or your showing up with a lawyer. my doctor is about to get a visit from my lawyer who is taking the case for free. he is just doing in this in the hopes she will be sued. i think a lawyer's visit will scare her enough to refund some money. she abused you by giving you 90 for so long and then not even giving you a few stripes. if not all your money back at least some. if you don't want to call and be rude find a free lawyer and send him in. don't have to pay my lawyer a cent. i'm sure you can find a solution to this. this sounds like malpractice at it's finest.


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