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 Post subject: whats the deal??
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:10 am 
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hi, im new here, so im not really sure where to put this

i have been on suboxone for about a year now (8mg daily)
i just read an article that the proper way to get over opiate addiction with subs should
take only a couple of months, depending on the dosage, and drug history
(i was on rx pain meds due to crohns disease, on the pills for about 3 years)
it really feels like when i went into the rehab and got on the subs, all the doc cared about
was getting his money. he had no interest in getting me off the subs.
it always felt like a drug transaction, so long as i had the money, he gave me the script.
is this typical of sub dr's?
i have a new dr now, and he seems more legit.
im just curious about the first one and his non-treatment
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:07 am 
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The statistics for addicts who take suboxone less than a year are terrible. They have about a 5-10% chance of not relapsing. That is according to the studies that have been done. The addicts who have the best chance of getting off sub and staying off opiates use the time they are stable on suboxone to improve their lives, focus on recovery through therapy or groups, and wait until they feel it's the right time for them to get off. Some of us may never get off sub. It's a meant to be a maintenance medication, not a detox medication.

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 Post subject: Re: whats the deal??
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:51 am 
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how do you know if your ready to get off?
here's what scares me
i have crohns disease
a progressive debilitating illness
lets say i successfully get off the subs, im pain medication free
then i have one of my bad flare ups, end up in the hospital
(which is a 95% chance this will happen)
i get back on the pain meds, i start to like them too much again
and then im right back where i started
i guess im just feeling kind of hopeless right now
i dont want to be on this stuff the rest of my life
but, i know there is a very good chance i might be


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 Post subject: Re: whats the deal??
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:13 am 
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There are plenty of people who are on sub for addiction AND for chronic pain! You may not have realized it, but by dosing more often, you were probably helping with any pain you have already.

Suboxone (or buprenorphine is the generic name) has analgesic properties, but it works a little differently than a full on agonist like oxycodone. Read this:

http://suboxonetalkzone.com/category/education/page/4/

In fact, there are a ton of articles if you hit the "Talk Zone" tab at the top of the page. There is a search feature under "menu" there and a drop down menu where it says "Search Hundreds of Posts Here". (The "Search Hundreds..." is located if you scroll down and look at the right side.)

The analgesic properties of buprenorphine (sub) last about 4 to 6 hours. So a chronic pain patient would take their dose and cut it into at least 4 pieces for moderate to severe pain. Does that make sense? Please spend some time reading over at Talk Zone (tab at the top of the page). There is so much great information there written by Dr. Junig MD PhD. He is a recovered addict, formerly an anesthesiologist, and currently a practicing psychiatrist who prescribes buprenorphine himself.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:17 am 
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thank you so much
i really appreciate it
after reading my post i realized just how depressing it sounds!
the more i think about coming off this stuff, the more anxious i get about the
what if's of my illness


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:30 pm 
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Hi Carey.

I used to feel the same way the first year i was on suboxone. The whole time i was kinda consumed by "tapering off" and being totally med free.

I would try to not be so hard on yourself about getting off subs. Especially since you have a chronic pain disease like Krohns.

Being on a sub treatment plan the rest of your life might be in the cards for you. for an almost pain free addiction free life.

I have come to the realization that i will always be addicted to opiates and until I no longer have addition in my brain ( which is never) I will be in treatment forever.

I have made peace with this. It took several years to be "ok" with being on a med for a lifetime. But I truly am happier NOW than I ever have been on this medication. I don't want to screw up a good thing.

Good luck !


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:07 pm 
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thanks raudy
this is something i might have to come to terms with
my new dr is the one that brought this up for me
i never really even thought about what would happen to my illness
unfortunately surgery isnt an option for me. they would have to remove
all of my intestines, and i am definitely not ready for that
im only 38, yet my body makes me feel like im 58!
i know its something i definitely need to consider
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IMO, it's up to the patient how long they stay on an opiate maintaince drug such as Suboxone and Methadone. I can't stand doctors who basically kinda tell the patient
"Well you have been on it long enough it's time to start your taper" NO. If a person has not mentioned lowering their dose or a taper they are not ready and four things are gonna come outta it once the patient leave 1. They go back to their drug of choice 2. Find another Suboxone Doctor 3. Go to a Methadone Clinic, they do not really bother you about tapering off if you don't want too 4. They just get fed up and give it all up all together, but I think that might be kinda rare... And Suboxne can be used as a Detox drug, but so can Methadone, I wanna say it's a 21 day thing or something like that with Methadone. If a person comes in and says I wanna be on suboxone, they are probly not thinking about being on it for a short period of time(unless they tell the doctor that) and since it is a maintiance drug it should be up to the patient IMO how long they stay on it, not the doctors who decideds "there ready." My doctor seems fine, but I really wish I had one who had been through opiate addiction themselves.


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