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Author:  jennjenn [ Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:23 pm ]
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Aww owlcrow ur doggie seems so sweet! What I was wanting to say was about our cat (which still lives at my moms after I moved out). He just showed up one day, this beautiful furry solid black cat. My youngest son relentlessly kept on until this cat started trusting us and eventually we started keeping him inside. He wouldn't use a litter box and went to the door every time he needed to go potty. He goes outside and in 5 minutes he's bk at the sliding doors. We've had him for 8 years now. I just thought it was so awesome how he doesn't need a litter box and thankfully goes out all by himself.

Ur doggie must have had that same feeling of....... going in the house ewwww lol :) Animals are so wonderful. My bunny hasn't ever had accidents either, he knows to go in his cage to potty. If he hadn't known to do that on his own, I would have never been able to teach him, I'm just no good at that, probably because I'm a very impatient person.

Author:  owlcrow [ Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:16 pm ]
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Your cat sounds cool I never heard of anyone else's cat that did the outdoors for a litter box thing.

My dog is a sweet thing, (thanks) people love their pets.

Also I had a bunny when I was a kid and it was like a cat and went in a litter box. Just put it out and it went to it, not sure if that is a normal thing for bunny's but do remember that from when I was a kid.

Take Care

Author:  Bamagurl22 [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:03 am ]
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Yes, Lord YES our fur babies at wonderful, don't know what I would do without my two house dogs and house cat. They keep me so much company during the day and protection, I feel like anyway, at night. Sounds like yall both, Owlcrow and Jenn have pretty smart animals. I hope everyone is doing alright. Your forum friend, Angie

Author:  jennjenn [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:02 pm ]
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Fur babies are the best! What a lot of ppl don't realize with bunnies is they're so much like cats! They can litter box train and they love to cuddle and they bond with u just like a dog or kitty. They also clean themselves like cats do, I had no idea they did that. They do these little binky's and it's so cute.

I think I'm getting a new baby lop for Christmas and I'm so excited!!! But the crappy thing is, if bunnies haven't grown up together u have to bond them over time or it could be a fight to the death. Sooooo that could be complicated lol. Anyway I'll stop talking about it and owlcrow I'm sorry I took ur thread on a different direction but thank u for mentioning ur pet, I love hearing about everyone's pets.

Author:  owlcrow [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:42 pm ]
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Hi Jennifer,

No problem taking my thread over to talk pets, love the subject. I think most people who have pets like to talk about them.
I also learned from you that bunny's can litter box train so the one I had as a kid was not so unusual.
If you get another bunny for Christmas I bet it will be quite interesting to get your bunny's to like each other so they don't have to fight to the death. Geez that is another thing I would have never guessed. They seem so nice I would have never guessed they would act up upon meeting. Hmm interesting.
My dog is about 30 lbs. she is from a farm. She is a mix of a few different breeds. Australian Shepard, Rat Terrier, Pomeranian, and Blue Healer. Cute as can be and quite a character with loads of doggie personality.
Anyhow all is well here doing fine sleep is returning to normal and my days at work are not a pain anymore, I have been a lot happier and days are much better, I am in a better place than a year ago by far.

Take Care and feel free to talk pets anytime.


Author:  jennjenn [ Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:33 am ]
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Owlcrow ur doggie sounds so sweet! I think everyone needs a pet for companionship. I find myself talking away carrying on a one sided conversation with my bunny all the time. Now if I ever get a reply I'll probably run out of the house scared to death but then again that would be so cool. Yeah, bunnies have to be bonded or they can possibly fight to the death. How disturbing that would be right? They look so innocent! U should see them thump their back foot, it's amazing lol.

I hope u continue to update ur progress owlcrow, it's so important imo. I think we all want to know how ur doing and personally I wish I was mentally where u are at. I can only imagine the journey u have had and u should be so very proud!!

Author:  owlcrow [ Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:57 pm ]
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Hey Jennifer,

I talk to my dog as you do your bunny. She has gestures that assure me she is listening, especially if I mention food. Yeah I share my feedings with her. She eats off a fork/spoon and is so darn cute it is hard to refuse her a share of whatever I am eating (within reason).
I plan to stay active in the forum including relaying how I am doing post suboxone.
I couldn't help but laugh when I read how you talk to your bunny. I so much do the same thing sort of narrate things I am doing to Lucy (dogs name). She loves to go for rides to the store and what not, every time I grab my keys and she hears them she gets excited and "asks" if she can come.
I take her places with me a lot, and play fetch often with balls, Frisbee and stuffed animals when we play in the house. Your right as far as pets making good companions. I live alone so my pup and I are pretty close as far as being buddies.
I have even told my dog to just talk to me at times when she looks likes she is trying to say something, and also told her not to worry I won't tell anyone just to see if it would work (lol) it hasn't yet.
Oh well I'll ttyl take care

Author:  jennjenn [ Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:05 am ]
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Yes lol! I'll say something like 'I guess I'll do these dishes Gizmo or I guess I'll water the plants if u want to go with me' it's like I'm the most boring person in America and still detailing my every move. Unlike u though I can't take my bunny places, he'd freak out, so when he hears keys rattling, he knows I'm leaving :( Anyway I promise I'll stop responding lol I just can't help myself sometimes because I feel like nobody much (around me anyway) knows much or how great a bunny can be pet wise. They live up to 12 years....... ok ok I'll stop now :)

Author:  owlcrow [ Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:04 pm ]
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You sound a lot like me with your talking to animals. I also narrate things I am going to do or am doing to my pup. I will tell her I have to take a shower now, or do the dishes/ wash now and things like that.
I guess living alone for me and having a pet takes away from being lonely. Lucy and I never argue (lol) or fight, although she can get a bit demanding when it comes to begging for stuff.
I enjoy hearing about your bunny encounters and think it is great that you have shared some with me.
I owe a lot to my pet for she actually aided in giving me reasons for straightening out my act. I know when I was strung out she knew there was something not right with me. I can tell she is much happier now I have made a turn around. Pets can bring so much to a person if they let them. I think how a person treats a pet shows a lot about their character.
When I see someone being mean to an animal it angers me, some people don't deserve to have pets. Others do I believe we are both in the deserving crowd.
Nice chat a bit off the norm for things related to this site but I find it refreshing.
Ttyl take care,


Author:  Justin999 [ Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:49 am ]
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Hey owlcrow. I just wanted to check up on you and see how you're doing. We both started this jump together and I'm really proud of you for staying off and handling this so gracefully. You definitely helped me with this whole process.

Knowing that I wasn't alone and someone else was going through the same thing I was definitely kept me going. I don't have any physical symptoms at all anymore and haven't for a while. I still have to push myself to get motivated but I think that is improving as well.
I know sleep was much more of a problem for you as it was for me in the months after your jump. How are you doing with that? Also, how would you describe your mental state as of now? Look forward to hearing from you.

Author:  owlcrow [ Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:57 am ]
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I don't have any symptoms I could think of anymore. Sleep has always been a bit of an issue for me. I am doing good with that now to. I get 6 to 7 hours and once in a while less. I am sleeping during a time where is feels like I am more rested throughout the day I am waking an hour before I have to leave for work instead of 2 or 3 hours before hand. That really helps.
Getting motivated is not bad I just do what I have to do if you know what I mean. Some days it is easy and others get a bit rough but I think everyone has good and bad days.
Good to hear from you and that things are better for you. I know going through the holidays for the first time for me I can remember without being with drug issues really hits home. I feel rather good about not having to search for something to make it through each day, the money problems and all the other "bad things" addiction brings. I'll take things the way they are now and a bit of reflecting really measures the progress if you know what I mean. So as far as mental state that about sums it up. I know I am in a much better place now.

Author:  owlcrow [ Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:04 pm ]
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I stopped counting days quite some time ago. I feel pretty darn good and without cravings, or thoughts of doing anything drug related.
I just reread some of the posts on this thread because I had to get the date I took my last dose of suboxone. It was on July 24th. I think I may have said a few posts back it would be 6 months on Christmas Eve but it will really be five months.
I still have some days that I feel tired and nights I don't sleep well which cause that. I do not blame the use of suboxone, I just think it is normal good and bad days. It has been so long since I had a holiday season without the burden of keeping myself from being sick with little money and a huge monkey on my back.
This is a great feeling to have the freedom that recovery brings. I have begun to take much more pride in my belongings, keeping my house clean as well as vehicles and maintenance I always liked to work on my toys but lost that due to addiction. It is coming back and I am tinkering again. Good thing though I had a blown engine on my 86 Dodge pickup and managed a junk yard motor swap. It's running well and back on the road.
Keeping yourself busy is a great way to pass time without drugs. While I was tapering I did a lot of lounging and was so lazy. That is behind me now which proves to me I have come a long way. I am beginning to discover myself again if that makes any sense.
Happy Holidays to one and all!

Author:  rule62 [ Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:49 pm ]
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It's great to read your update OC. Being busy is the best way to keep the mind occupied during a transition period.

Give yourself a year to end all the small annoyances of w/d. At least that's what I've been told time and time again. Kind of depressing really for those just starting out. But it does give you a timeline to look forward to and you're almost halfway there. The hard part is over and now just stay the course.

Thanks for the updates. We appreciate them. It's always a pleasure to read a member is doing well.

Author:  owlcrow [ Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:31 pm ]
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Hey Rule,

I think keeping the mind occupied is important both during a suboxone taper and after is the key to a successful recovery.
I look back and by reflecting I can see personal changes in my attitude and lifestyle. Anyone who has been in active addiction knows how much time and money is spent chasing their doc.
When that time becomes idle, it opens the door to temptation. When idle time is not filled with other activities one leaves an open area for disaster. I am finding that doing things is rewarding in both the aspect of dealing with boredom as well as finding a way to live happy without having to fight to try and be happy.
I get the natural high I feel from accomplishing projects and goals I attempt. It is not only rewarding but gives me the benefit of feeling good about myself instead of wallowing in the "devils playground". You know the old saying "idle time is the devils playground". I believe old saying become old sayings because they are true.
Taking control of your destiny instead of having an addiction steer you through life is more gratifying than I could have imagined. I will even go as far as saying I am proud of my accomplishments and kicking the monkey off my back and out of my life.
I also know it is important to keep your guard up, knowing a relapse could easily become a reality if you don't find something to live for other than the downward spiral addiction causes.
I am looking forward to the new year and the good things I know will happen by biding my time in a positive manner.

Author:  owlcrow [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:04 pm ]
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The new year is well on its way. Along with the passing of January I have made it through a 6 month period since quitting suboxone. I feel good, and as I just wrote the "6 month period" it occurred to me that is the longest I have gone clean in many, many years.
Winter is upon us here in Wisconsin in full swing. It's been very cold but not a whole lot of snow until Super Bowl Sunday and now again today. Keeps me busy I plow the lot where I work and have to keep walks shoveled as well as keeping the area around my home shoveled. It is good exercise, "just saying".
Thinking back about last winter I was hunting for a way off the "h" at this time. I did two short stints in detox/rehab, failed the first time but made it after the second attempt. I also was in a bad way after leaving the 4 day treatment. (another story). I had to wait two weeks before seeing the sub doc and managed to push through with a one time use during the waiting period. The rest is history, I began sub and was completed with it at 5 months in.
The part I was thinking about was how hard I struggled to get to work last winter when I was going through it. I was able to disclose my situation to the job and they were understanding. It is funny to me though since then I was given full time opposed to the part time hours I was working and I think that was one of the things that has helped me get to where I am now.
I took on some responsibility (full time work) and pushed myself to go to work even when I was not feeling well. The worst part was waiting for the first sub appointment, which actually did not go so well the first visit cause I as using benzos to sleep and they made me wait another week and pee clean cause the doc did not allow any benzos with the subs.
Anyhow things are going well and I just wanted to drop a line. Guess I blabbered quite a bit for not knowing what to say when I started.

Take Care "all" will update again at some point

Author:  jennjenn [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:06 am ]
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That's a very inspiring post owlcrow.

Great job!!!!

Author:  owlcrow [ Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:50 pm ]
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I am here to update my progress, and all I can say is all is well. I come back from time to time to refresh my memory of the journey I have been on.

I've come to realize that the recovery process is an ongoing journey and it does not end. There are bumps in the road for many as well as myself. Temptation is always knocking at the door.

I find that it is best to occupy one's self with activities that avoid idle time (the devils playground).

Just before posting I was thinking about how much the aspect of time has seemed to speed up with "clean time". I reflect on the tapering process and the havoc of active addiction. During those days I remember the clock seemed to stand still at times. Now a day sometimes passes much more quickly that I'd like.

I think that is a good thing though, and as I recall the days of chasing a high or trying to stay "well" that time seemed to crawl. I am looking forward to a spring and summer without being messed up.

Anyone who is trying to taper or is on maintenance just know that a taper does not last forever if done right, and it is ok to stay on subs if they help to keep you on a righteous path. Subs can be abused which may make more problems for you than you realize.

I guess it is not my place to preach so I will step back wish all the forum members and visitors the best.

Take Care

Author:  Amy-Work In Progress [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:59 pm ]
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts owlcrow. I hope that you enjoy spring and summer unlike ever before.


Author:  jennjenn [ Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:03 pm ]
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Great post owlcrow! Thank u for the updates, that's very important imo.

I totally get what ur saying about time standing still during active addiction. Those times I'd wait on my dealer to get home, wake up or just quit avoiding phone calls..... misery. I'd wake up at 3am and be so sick I couldn't go to sleep and I'd know I'd still have hours upon hours before my low life lazy dealer would be rolling out of bed to help me. Those times (and many other scenarios) stood still. U know, I've always and still am, that person who can get woken up ten times a night and go immediately bk to sleep without a thought, except when I was using. When I was using I'd wake up and pace until the sun came up. Chain smoking and waiting. Awful memories but ur post reminded me of that. Ugh, so grateful that's behind me now.

Hope ur updates keep coming in the future!

Author:  owlcrow [ Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:23 pm ]
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Amy, thanks for the kind words.

Jennifer, adding to the previous post, (just thinking) I come back to the site to keep myself in check. I read posts and reflect. I have begun to change my way of thinking about my "using" days. When I think back I sort my thoughts and leave anything that may have seemed fun at one time on the back burner. I do however think about the turmoil caused by the cycles of addiction. I now remember those days of days of agony, hopelessness and wasting a good part of my life away. I left a path of destruction for years and know I could be much better off than I am now if I hadn't of wasted my time and money during those times. That is the best way for me to "know" how much better off I am with that behind me.
It was good to read your reply and know that you have thoughts similar to mine about those days, and I am sure if we started listing negative factors the list would be long.
I will check back in the near future.

Spring is on the way, I live in Wisconsin so we are still getting snow here and there, sometimes through April. Everything is muddy now it rained a lot last week. We have rain changing turning to snow predicted in the next 24 hours. Warm sunny days can't come fast enough, although once it gets nice out the season passes quickly and another year ends up sailing right on by. Blah, Blah, Blah

Hope all is well to one and all!

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