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 Post subject: Urgent: police report
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:12 am 
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Hi All,

Topic is both legal and hoarding- will put it here first.

Made a police report on lost 'scrip per Docs request. yes, stupid to lose it. Think it is still in house but have not been able to find. I was told they would not ask why I take it. They did. I panicked and said, "chronic pain", and made an off hand comment that it is effective because does not cause me addiction problems- don't think that went in report. Truth is that I DO have chronic pain as a diagnosis. My Doc is very cool re subs and hates the government. Thinks Sub is miracle drug.Of course I ALSO have opiate maintenance which I did not include. I called Doc and nurse and told them what I told cops. They said."OK". But could be construed as a half truth that could end up with me being charged with lying to law enforcement?

Then they asked me where my pain was.Couldn't believe it. I asked why they needed that, told me they needed it. Said "Back and knees." Probably doesn't meet pain Docs threshold, but my Doc codes some of my things that way so my urine tests are paid for by insurance- I do have at least some pain.

They gave my report to a narc and told me to get the report in 4 days. Would not give it to me that day. I m petrified that they will search databases and arrest me for Doctor shopping- saw several Docs and dentists but not at same time. Substance of choice was oxy and Lori. But went to doc on "poppy tea" which could be "drug manufacturing.' if they told them. But are we protected from this? They could bust almost everyone who goes to a Sub clinic. Also possibly traceable other thing from pharm records that might not add up.

I am petrified that I will get charged with lying to a cop (I told Doc that I take for pain and he was OK with it), but obviously on maintenance also which I did not say. Also could be charged with pat offenses? Don't want to walk in to get report and be put in cuffs. I have a prior set aside, which was for domestic abuse- should have been put on psyh ward but was arrested. Was extremely manic (a bipolar ) and found pills my wife had hidden amd OD'd. No one was hurt- was really BS and my wife was behind me all the way- really mostly fight with brother in law and pushed wife once. Went to hospital the next day for treatment. Si an arrest could trigger problems and affect my job at an institute of higher education.

But most of us could be charged if cops looked into our history, right? Are they supposed to lay off us? HIPPA does not protect, it gives law enforcement of any kind to get records and not tell you.

My Doc wants to know how many extra I have at appointments. He is a Jehovah's witness and thinks the end of the world is coming. Told me off the record that I should keep some and that, "he doesn't care if I keep extras.for end of world. . . .or Obama care. Crazy, but good for me.

I have a sizable stash. He writes as 1/4 to 1/2 three times per day. If I tapered, probably a couple years if I really tried. Am I paranoid that I will be busted, records and tests analyzed and house searched? Would think they have better things to do, but they may be very concerned about diversion. My printout form the pharmacy is consistent with 'days supply'.

1) Is there limits on stash of legit scripts? Don't have all in original package. More than I report to Doc.
2) Has anyone had legal issues of this type? Am considering calling Doc and saying that my wife was saving some for me as emergency and am OK till next visit. But will that screw me, too since I reported other as lost? So what would you do? Call cops to ask about it? Amend report? Go to pick it up with friend? Call a lawyer first? Am I just paranoid from past bad experiences?? Wish I would not have opened this can of worms. Want to have enough to handle my own taper if need be, though.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:14 pm 
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I'll jump in here. I think you're over thinking this. I don't think you can be arrested for fibbing about an addiction. They don't have enough space to house everyone that could be taken in. So as far as that is concerned, I wouldn't worry. Let's put it this way, most cops assume their being lied to when it comes to situations like this. If you're reporting a lost script, I think they just want to be sure that it wasn't filled, not to prove why you're taking the medicine to begin with. It doesn't matter if you're using it for pain or maintenance, that's what sub was made for.

Also, it doesn't matter if you have extras saved up. It is not illegal to keep your extra medicine that you don't use. As for doctor shopping, are you still doing this or was this related to previous drug use/ behavior? Regardless, I'm not sure that they could/ would do anything about this anyway. Especially if you haven't been doing it recently. I highly doubt they will pour over your records and test results. It's a waste of their time. They try to be intimidating on purpose...

If you really lost the script then I would carry on as if I didn't have anything to hide. I'd want the report to show my doctor and I'd want a new script, period.


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I'm in agreement with everything tinydancer said. I was going to say pretty much the same things she said, but I won't because she summed everything up very well.

I too think that you're just WAY over thinking all of this, which isn't a bad thing, I think anyone in your situation would. I know if I were in your shoes right now, I'd be thinking through everything way too much, same way you are now and it's completely understandable.

The law just doesn't have enough space to hold everyone who is an addict and on maintenance drugs and I don't think what you told them was a lie anyway... I think your docs got you pretty much covered on that if he charts you as a chronic pain patient so that your insurance will pay.

I think you should still get that police report and I would want that for your protection if your script really did infact get stolen, you should have nothing to hide, and you'll need the report for your dr.

I honestly don't think you have anything to worry about. Hope we've helped ease your mind at least a little bit. I know things like this can get a bit overwhelming, but I think you're just putting too much thought into it.

Will you jump back on and let us know how it goes? I'm interested, and I'm sure you will report back to us that everything is ok and you are worried for nothing! Good Luck! I hate that you're in this situation.

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I was also going to say that I don't think there's anything wrong with or anything they can do about "hoarding" or holding onto your extra medication as long as it's all legal and it's your prescription. I know around here a few times a year the police set up posts locally for anyone who wants to bring them expired or extra medications for them to discard of properly-No questions asked. They just do it so that people can get rid of their extra meds safely and not flushing them and the meds getting into the water systems or in the hands of the wrong people, such as children, family members, ect.

I too hold onto my "extra" subs. I have a pretty signifigant "stash" built up. I'm not doing it for the end of the world scenerio like your doc seems to think is coming... that's kind of a new one to me LOL, but I guess it could be a valid reason... I'm doing it just incase my docs office would get closed down or they suddenly starting making sub maintenance like methadone maintenance and people have to go to a clinic every day for their daily dose. I don't think I could do that. I don't know, I just want to make sure I have enough to get me thru a very, very slow taper and make sure I'm not suddenly out of medication. It'd be better than me going back to abusing pills.

I'm also doing it because if my meds for the month ever come up missing or stolen, I don't have to worry and run out of meds. I know it does happen, I've read about it happening to other members on here too. I would hate to have to fill out a police report for that knowing I have extra, but with the barcode and the lot numbers on the suboxone strips, if they ever came up stolen, I would hate to think whose hands they could end up in and my name being attached to that particular script. At least I'd have the report so that I wouldn't be in trouble for diversion, but I'd still have enough suboxone incase I couldn't get another script right away.

Again though, try not to think about this too much or read more into it than you have to. You're doing the right thing, you are missing your prescription and you had to file a police report. That's what the dr. needs you to do.

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 Post subject: I lost a script
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:26 pm 
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I once lost a script of suboxne. I actually think I threw it away. Perhaps a doc or pharmacist on here could answer this but do doctors know when there scripts are filled? My doctor believed me and gave me another. Since then I have always went straight from the office to the pharmacy to get it filled. I learned very quickley how valuable a script was. Believe it or not during my entire addiction I never used the I lost my script excuse to my doctor.............It would be interesting to know like I know I would get during my active addiction a script for Loratab and naproxin but would never fill the naproxin. I always wondered if my doctor knew that.................

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Thanks for putting my mind somewhat at ease.

I have had some bad legal experiences. Once I relapsed, got very drunk and kissed my sister-in-law. I kissed her once, didn't restrain her or anything like that- most everyone was drinking. I wrote her and her husband a very nice ninth steppy letter, explaining that I'm an alcoholic, should have been going to meetings, will be a better brother-in-law, care about you both, blah, blah, blah.

The next I hear, the crazy B*tch has taken the letter to an overzealous DA and filled in the blanks in my letter with tales of horror. I had a warrant out for my arrest 400 miles away, in Kentucky, for "sexual abuse." Potential two year sentence in the State prison, registering as a sex offender, etc. You would think the DA would have better things to do.

I had to drive back and forth five times on "vacation.' Once to be arrested and post bond, then to hire a top flight lawyer, then three court appearances. Eventually she caved to family pressure, and they have been on the outs ever since. Absolutely nuts.If this had been local, I would have been put on administrative leave, and the story would have been in the local newspaper. Fortunately, I found out before being picked up from my home, cuffed, jailed and extradited in the back of a cop car. The local sheriff was very sympathetic.

Fortunately, the whole thing was expunged, but only after a lot of time, money and worry.

So I don't take anything for granted when it comes to the law! I am less worried, but am going to take a friend with me to get the report. My Doc already knows. I called his house the other day, and his office three times to see if I was being investigated. Paranoid? Maybe, but you never know.


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In the FUTURE.....
PLEASE DO NOT DOUBLE POST

this is why it becomes confusing,,,, you then have the same "topic" in two
different places, with a whole BUNCH of different answers............

I know on OTHER sites, posts dont get answered, and that's why people
feel the need to do that, but HERE,,,,,,
99% of posts get at least ONE ANSWER.................

Thanks, in advance.........
I was going to combine these, but then I thought this would be a great example of why NOT to do it.
So I left it :wink:


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