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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:36 pm 
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Tiny,

The entire purpose of the anomaly scan, according to my doctor, is to check and see if the baby is developing normally. She informed me that even if there appears to be no issues it doesn't guarantee there couldn't be problems.

She told me I had the choice to take the scan or not and it was completely up to me. I asked if it was so important that it really should be done? Her reply was that with all other scans my baby appeared to be healthy and normal in every way, and doing very well. She said lots of women don't take the scan under her care and she doesn't require or insist it be done. I decided to just let it pass. Maybe I should have had it, but it was my choice not to at the time it was offered.

I could still have it up to 24 weeks. I believe she told me that was the cut-off point to have the test? I may indeed change my mind and have it after all, but not certain. I hope you have the most positive results with your anomaly scan and let me know how it goes if you don't mind.

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Yikes. I'm just floored your doctor would tell you these things. She hasn't been able to see actual organs up until now. Most babies look fine on ultra sounds, but that doesn't mean anything. I have one of the top OB doctors in LA, and she refers to a scan specialist for this particular scan, simply because of the importance of it. I would seriously question your doctor's advice if she actually told you that you don't need it because your baby looks fine so far. I won't say more about it, but of you still have time to get the scan, you may want to reconsider. Again, they look for treatable issues that could save your babies life at birth. Without this scan, they wouldn't see this stuff.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:45 pm 
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Tiny,

I guess you believe I really should have that anomaly scan huh? :D

Just so you fully understand the reason I didn't want to have it done is solely because of my current emotional state and condition. I promise you the very last thing I need to hear right now is that my baby has some kind of problems that need corrected.

I fully understand your reasoning why have the scan in the first place-to hopefully head off any or some of those potential issues well in advance by knowing the results from the scan. Yeah, I get that completely. But if something were a problem or issue, I'm just not certain I could handle it right now. Thus my refusal to have it done. Otherwise of course I would have.

But, seeing as you were so adamant about it, and in speaking with my mom (she didn't have that scan with me btw) and talking to several friends (some did, some didn't), it was determined that it really would be in my best interest to have it done.

So I called my OB today and asked if it was too late for me to still have it at 23 weeks? She said I was "at the wire" and said she could still get me in. Soooo I went ahead and had it scheduled to be done next week. My OB doctor is also considered to be one of the finest in the entire Detroit area according to many sources. She just doesn't push, or force mom's to have any of the scans and leaves it up to them. She gave me her opinion on everything and made it all be my choice.

Regardless, I will be having the anomaly scan next week as you are. I PRAY there are no issues. Hoping for the best for us both Tiny!

And I THANK YOU too!

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Glad you had a change of heart. By all accounts, this particular scan is like your baby's very first check up. They monitor the heart pumps, brain activity, kidneys, bladder, make sure the esophagus is connected to the stomach, check for cleft palate, etc. I understand not needing any extra stress in your life right now, but not having this scan is like avoiding the pediatrician because you don't want any bad news. This is when we start putting baby first. Wishing you luck at the scan! The good news is that you should be able to see your baby in 3D, which is pretty darn cool.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:44 am 
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Just a short update...

Doing well and feeling much better these days. My anger issues have subsided and overall I'm feeling great! No symptoms to report as I head towards my 4th month off the subs. Other than the weather totally sucking I'm doing just fine! :D

Hope everyone else is doing great and ready for the Holidays!

Karen xoxo


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:28 pm 
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Was wondering about you BEG... Glad your doing well..thats great..keep up the good work...raz


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:59 am 
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Karen, I'm so glad that you seem to have turned a corner. It's tough when you don't feel like yourself and you get angry at everything/one. I guess it was just one more necessary step toward recovery and living a "normal" life. But you got through it! I know you'll be able to face anything and be strong enough to overcome it.

Thanks for the continued updates. It's always good to hear from you!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:13 pm 
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Doing great and getting ready to head out of town for the Holidays! No lingering symptoms and my emotions have settled down to a more normal state. No complaints!

I want to wish EVERYONE a safe and Merry Christmas. My wish is for all of you to have a wonderful time with friends and family.

Also have a Happy New Year too! Hope 2014 is the best year ever for everyone!

Lotsa Love to All,
Karen xoxo


P.S. Thank you Razor and Amy for your comments. They are truly appreciated! :D


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:21 pm 
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Happy New Year Everyone!

Just a short update on my progress after stopping the subs. Just hit the 4 month mark and headed towards the 5th month. Actually doing very, very well with no symptoms to report in case anyone is following/wondering.

I had a case of Paws which consisted of mostly anger that lasted about a week I guess, but things quickly got back to normal. None of the hot/cold sweats, no headaches or body aches attributed to stopping the bupe. I would have to honestly say it has been a very positive experience for me personally.

I do know that relapse is always a moment away, and I would not hesitate to begin a sub therapy program again should that ever happen. I was on the subs for about 3 years total time and at a high dose of 24mg. Taperd down to .50 and then done.

About 28 weeks along in my first pregnancy. Getting excited to meet my little girl soon. All OB doctor appointments have gone very well and things are progressing nicely.

I hope everyone is doing great and 2014 is your best year ever! :D

Karen xoxo


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Good to see you checking in, Karen, as always!

I'm glad to hear that your emotions have smoothed out and become very normal.

I'm also happy to hear that your pregnancy is going well. Only 12 weeks to go! That is exciting!

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Hey Karen, good to hear from you. Yep, me too
Im feeling great at 6 months or thereabouts.
Happy you are as well.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:25 pm 
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Hey Guys,

Happy Valentines Day!

Guess I'll throw in an update. I think it's beneficial to have as many success stories here for others to read as possible. It's important, in my opinion, to continue to offer updates to those wanting off bupe therapy to see that not every story has to be one of horror, or a difficult process.

With that said, it's also important to say that I am a firm believer that Suboxone/Subutex can be a lifesaver for many addicts. It sure was for me, and without the benefit of my time on bupe therapy, there is little doubt I wouldn't be around to have anything to say about it. I fully support it's use, and if someone wants to be on it for life then that's also great, and will always have my full support. On it or off it, the very use of it can indeed make a difference, and save lives!

Just a quick repeat of my experience. I was inducted on 24mg of Suboxone by my doctor after spending 15 years abusing drugs of most every kind. After approximately 2 years I knew it was time to get off and began tapering. Spent another year tapering down to 2mg. Then finally down to .50mg and off. Over 3 years on subs. I would have tapered lower, but had to have unexpected surgery and never went back on the subs. Had a painless experience tapering. I went the first 2 months or so post-sub doing great. I then had some Paws symptoms of several days of anger issues, followed by a few days and nights of the worst cravings I have ever had. But they did pass, I have had no other symptoms, and for the last 3 or so months I have been doing awesome! Absolutely zero problems, and enjoying life to the fullest! I'm now past 5 months, headed towards 6 months since my last dose. I have no regrets at all, and I fully attribute buprenorphine for saving my life! I was just ready to get off. I'm also involved in NA meetings, and have a personal therapist that I visit regularily as additional weapons to fight this disease with.

I'm also between 34-35 weeks preggo, expecting my very first child, a little girl, near the end of March. Can't tell everyone how happy and proud it makes me to know I will be delivering this baby without one single addictive drug being present in my system! The thought of that alone is overwhelming at times when I think where I was not so long ago. It's the best feeling ever! Both the baby and I are doing excellent and I'm getting very excited!

Sorry this is so long, but I wanted to ask the members thoughts on an issue presented to a friend when I accompanied her as she went for her induction process at her doctors office. This doctor seemed to be well versed on Suboxone. He used the Cows score, and began with 2-4mg doses until the patient was stable. Most all his patients were on between 8-16mg of subs. A few higher, a few lower.

But my question is this - the doctor said he keeps most every patient on suboxone initially for about 6 months. At that point he then gives each patient the opportunity to stop and taper, remain on suboxone longer, or to stop the daily doses, and switch over to the Vivitrol monthly injection. That really got me to thinking. Is that a great way to do it or not? Has he hit on something that truly makes good sense?

His reasons were many, but he said switching to the Vivitrol injection helped control symptoms from daily use of bupe, and made it easier to stop if he and the patient agreed it was right for them to do so. He also said it greatly helped to control "addictive behavior" of those taking a pill or film every single day, and many times more than once a day! I admit I was intrigued by his method.

So I ask anyone who cares to comment what they think about this. Would there be any advantage in switching to the Vivitrol shot instead of taking subs longer? Thanks.

Karen


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:35 pm 
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well Karen, my day just got much better hearing that your taper is going so well for you. I have no plans of doing so, but am glad to know that if ever I do, I'll have your detailed threads to read and guide me, and hopefully I'll have an easier time of it as well! I'm so happy for you.

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Hi Karen!

Thanks for the update! I'm very glad that you've continued to have no symptoms of withdrawal/PAWS for several weeks now! I'm sure you're getting very excited to meet your baby girl in a few weeks!

My doctor seems to agree with switching over to vivitrol shots once one of his patients taper off sub. His timetable is much more flexible, however. I wonder if you mentioned to the doctor that some people take a lot longer than 6 months to get their life together enough to taper off sub and start the new protocol and what his reaction to that argument might be. I understand where he is coming from trying to get the addict away from addictive behavior, but I hope he is more flexible about the timing.

I'm a little leery about having a shot that lasts for a month! What if I have an emergency situation and need pain control? ERs seem to know little enough about how to relieve the pain on someone on suboxone. Are they going to be aware of what it takes to overcome vivitrol in someone's system? Plus, I have not yet investigated whether or not my insurance covers the shot. I've heard it is very expensive. I have concerns!

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lizzieshug2013 wrote:
well Karen, my day just got much better hearing that your taper is going so well for you. I have no plans of doing so, but am glad to know that if ever I do, I'll have your detailed threads to read and guide me, and hopefully I'll have an easier time of it as well! I'm so happy for you.

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Hi Lizzie,

Thanks for the kind words. I know where your at in the process, and not ready to stop the subs right now. And that's great you are aware how well it's working for you, so why mess with a good thing. I don't blame you one bit for your decision, and applaud you for it.

But should you ever decide the time is right and want to perform a taper, I would be more than happy to offer you any kind of help and support I can provide at the time. But for now I wish you continued success and see you thoroughly enjoying life to the fullest. Proud of you Lizzie!

Karen xoxo


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Hi Amy, nice to hear from you as always! Hope your doing well.

The days sure are flying by, and I'm getting so excited to see that precious little girl soon. Going to be a game-changer that's for sure! Not much longer now.

I think it's awesome your doctor would agree to a change to Vivitrol if it's what you want to do. This doctor wasn't my sub doctor, but instead one my friend had received good information about from some of her friends that had been to this doctor. I was impressed with his knowledge of bupe, and his manner of professionalism.

I didn't mean he thought his patients should consider going off subs after 6 months. I meant that after that time he gave them the option of continuing with the same program of sub, tapering, or making a switch to the Vivitrol injections. He is a firm believer that any addict with a habit of any high amount, over an extended period of time, should seriously consider an extended time on bupe therapy, including up to a life commitment. I didn't mean it to sound like 6 months was his cut-off date, and apologize for making it seem that way. He truly does get it.

I had the very same questions you have about the Vivitrol - would there be any kind of issue if an emergency situation did happen to come up? I know that pain control can be adequetly handled in most every case if a person is on subs, but what kind of problems, if any, would the Vivitrol present? He had other patients waiting and we didn't have time to discuss that at length, but he did tell me if the medical staff were up to speed on the drug that there should be no problems at all. But still, I have to wonder ya know? I'm with you there Amy.

I had no problem whatsoever with my dentist being able to numb me when I had to have a cavity fixed wile I was on subs. And I had no issue at the time I had to have emergency surgery to remove my appendix a few months ago either. Granted my dose was low (.50mg) at that time, but still there were no problems.

I was just curious what everyone thought about making the switch to a once-per-month treatment of Vivitrol injections verses taking subs every single day? Any advantage to that at all?

Of course price would be one strong factor to consider. I realize it's expensive, and not certain if any insurance plans would cover any part of it? So your concerns are valid Amy. But if anyone would care to comment further whether they think it would be beneficial to once-per-month injections I would be very interested in any comments.

Thank you for taking the time to offer your side of things Amy. It is appreciated!

Karen xoxo


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:36 am 
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Friends,

Today marks 6-months since my last dose of subs. It's also been 3+ years since my last dose of any other narcotic or opiod. I did have just a few pain pills in the hospital after a surgery, but it wasn't a slip, and was required at the time.

While I fully realize that 6 months is hardly any real time free, it's still a huge accomplishment for me personally given how long my addiction took control over me, and caused so much heartache in my life during that time. I just wanted those that may be considering a taper, or wanting off bupe to know that it can be done, and doesn't necessarily have to be such a horrible thing to do. And it doesn't have to be that difficult either. The one thing that I personally believe makes all the difference about whether to get off or not is that you absolutely without one single doubt have to be READY to get off, and you have to WANT IT more than anything else in the world at the time. I believe you MUST have those two things going for you to be successful. I had both, and then some. Just make certain it's right for you before you put in the effort.

Today is also my Birthday. I'm doing great and feeling awesome! No symptoms, no paws, just really enjoying life right now. Also getting ready to meet my first child, a little girl. The due date is March 25th and I suppose I will be off the forum for a little bit during that time. She will be born with no chance of addiction and that makes it all so worthwhile. My gift to myself today is my freedom from drugs, and ALL addictive substances. It's the very best gift I have ever received! :D

The very best to everyone,
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Happy Belated Birthday! You sound wonderful & I love that you continue to update!

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Wow! six months!... And today is your birthday? well I'm so happy for you, and am sending out a GREAT BIG HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! ((((HUGS))))included!

and you'll be meeting your little girl in a few weeks, you really do have a lot to be excited and proud of! YAY!

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What an awesome post, Karen! Happy Birthday and Happy 6 Month Anniversary!

Thank you for giving hope to folks who are ready to be off suboxone. There are so many horror stories out there!

I'm glad your pregnancy has been so healthy and you are in such a good place in your life! Having a newborn is exhausting and difficult even in the best of circumstances. So don't be afraid to post when you're up at 3 am and do a little complaining! Babies are a gift and I'm sure your little girl will be precious and wonderful. It is just a change that can't help but take you by storm. I know you have lots of support and good people in your life, but remember that we will also be here to support you.

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