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Anyone else experience this when stopping the sub? I experience it at night and it keeps me awake for hours. How long does this last???

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Trying to step down Bup 12 mg -- after a year of steady. During bad spot did 5 days of up to 32 mg.

Now I must drop to 8 and stay there abruptly because of this. I wanted to be at 8 -- will this little

transgression mess up things do you think? What could have happened with 5 days of way high?

anything?

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It goes away after a bit. It's a part of the withdrawal. We kinda want to move and kick our legs to relieve the aches. It's why they apparently call getting off opioids "kicking the habit".

Some things that might help you get by... Have a hefty dose of Ibuprofen before bed. It relieves the aches, which helps with the kicking. Try to get sustained release if you can find it. Also magnesium supplements do have an impact. I was surprised that they had an effect when I first tried it.

My fave thing was to paddle. It was kinda done by moving my feet and heels in a rhythmic paddling motion kinda helped me sleep. I don't know why. Maybe the repetition was a bit hypnotic? Think of an accelerator and a clutch when driving stick, only with your heels while on your side, and doing it constantly. Anyone who saw me doing it started doing it themselves when they were in w/d's so it must have done something.

And when all else fails, valium.


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tearj3rker wrote:
It goes away after a bit. It's a part of the withdrawal. We kinda want to move and kick our legs to relieve the aches. It's why they apparently call getting off opioids "kicking the habit".

Some things that might help you get by... Have a hefty dose of Ibuprofen before bed. It relieves the aches, which helps with the kicking. Try to get sustained release if you can find it. Also magnesium supplements do have an impact. I was surprised that they had an effect when I first tried it.

My fave thing was to paddle. It was kinda done by moving my feet and heels in a rhythmic paddling motion kinda helped me sleep. I don't know why. Maybe the repetition was a bit hypnotic? Think of an accelerator and a clutch when driving stick, only with your heels while on your side, and doing it constantly. Anyone who saw me doing it started doing it themselves when they were in w/d's so it must have done something.

And when all else fails, valium.


Thanks for the reply. Last night was my worst night yet. I think I will try the magnesium supplements . I did take a little xanax before bed and it did nothing. Did you feel like you couldn't keep your legs still?

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Yeah. It's the most annoying symptom of opioid withdrawal. The fidgeting and uncomfortability. If my legs were still for more than a few seconds it'd feel like my skin was crawling. Valium is more effective than other benzos for it I've found.

Also try the ibuprofen. It would often give me about an hours relief, which can be enough to doze off.


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tearj3rker wrote:
Yeah. It's the most annoying symptom of opioid withdrawal. The fidgeting and uncomfortability. If my legs were still for more than a few seconds it'd feel like my skin was crawling. Valium is more effective than other benzos for it I've found.

Also try the ibuprofen. It would often give me about an hours relief, which can be enough to doze off.


I have tried xanax to no avail! This is driving me mad. Even have it in my arms. Lying in bed and not getting any sleep is a nightmare. i cannot keep my legs or arms still. Going to take another xanax and hope it helps. I have to have a functional day tomorrow and it is already 1:30 a.m. I talked to my doctor and his question (via email was, "Have you had restless legs before???) What an idiot. I aid no, not since stopping the suboxone!!!!! When does this stop?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It generally goes away as you get through the detox... and that varies from person to person. Give it a couple of weeks though.

And do try the magnesium. Valium also helps a lot more than Xanax for withdrawal related aches and restlessness I've found. Clonidine may help as well.

Just remind yourself that it WILL get better. Having restless legs for a short period is a small price to pay to get off Suboxone, no?


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Hey BK,

I'm sorry you're having such a rough time with RLS.

The thing that I found that worked best for me was to get on our elliptical machine and run until it felt like my legs were gonna fall off. That would give me a minimum of 2.5 hours of relief from the RLS.

I found the RLS from Suboxone didn't last as long as the RLS I got when I quit regular pain meds. I'm pretty sure my RLS from getting off of Suboxone only lasted a couple of weeks.

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Hey BK,

I'm sorry you're having such a rough time with RLS.

The thing that I found that worked best for me was to get on our elliptical machine and run until it felt like my legs were gonna fall off. That would give me a minimum of 2.5 hours of relief from the RLS.

I found the RLS from Suboxone didn't last as long as the RLS I got when I quit regular pain meds. I'm pretty sure my RLS from getting off of Suboxone only lasted a couple of weeks.


Well, it is day 11 and still having horrible restless legs. PAWS is around too. The first 5 days were the worst for me in terms of sweating, sneezing, chills, etc. then the RLS started and it has happened every night. I have started the vicodin 2.5 mg twice daily but hasn't made any difference. Hoping the RLS stops soon. Not getting much sleep. Wrist surgery is Thursday and I am hoping for not much pain with as I want to be off opiates of any kind for good. I am ready.

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Hey U, How awful for you to be experiencing this nearly 2 weeks. I get fussy after 3 days. I feel for you trmendously. Sorry if this question was answered in a previous post, but at what dose did you stop takng suboxone? You plan to NOT resume your sub after you are done w/ surgery & complete your meds? I wish you luck. If you really want want this for yourself, you CAN do it! Good luck and fast healing.........
BTW, I read on a homeopathic remedy site that a bar of soap in your bed by your feet at night will help w/RLS. I know strange, but a bar of soap is made with large amounts of Magnesium which is absorbed quite well, in fact better, from outside your body (eg; epsom salt bathes) versus internally. WHy not give it a try..Good ole ivory should be a good brand. Let me know....


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Hey U, How awful for you to be experiencing this nearly 2 weeks. I get fussy after 3 days. I feel for you trmendously. Sorry if this question was answered in a previous post, but at what dose did you stop takng suboxone? You plan to NOT resume your sub after you are done w/ surgery & complete your meds? I wish you luck. If you really want want this for yourself, you CAN do it! Good luck and fast healing.........
BTW, I read on a homeopathic remedy site that a bar of soap in your bed by your feet at night will help w/RLS. I know strange, but a bar of soap is made with large amounts of Magnesium which is absorbed quite well, in fact better, from outside your body (eg; epsom salt bathes) versus internally. WHy not give it a try..Good ole ivory should be a good brand. Let me know....


THANKS for the reply. I appreciate it very much. I have tried temazepam(restoril) and it gave me horrible daytime fatigue and no sleep. The primary care gave me a dopamine agonist called requip and that did the same thing but added nausea. Back to square one. I would really like some sleep-happens at night! I know that the sub messed with my dopamine receptors and that is why I am having issues. I guess trying some magnesium cannot hurt. I am not going back on the sub after my surgery post pain meds. I am hoping to do a 48 hour as needed for pain and taper but the doc. said to not get behind. I will keep you updated. Thank you agin for reply and suggestions. Much appreciated. :) <3 I don't feel so alone.

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Oh-you asked when I jumped. I bailed out at 1mg (for 2 days) then 0.5 for 2 days then just stopped. Not fun.

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Hey Ya BK,

I wonder if Clonidine would help your RLS? I know that the nervous system seems to go pretty cuckoo once we quit opiates. From what I remember, the RLS are like uncontrollable nervous twitches. Clonidine is actually a blood pressure medication, but it calms your nervous system too. Clonidine is probably THEE most popular med prescribed to folks coming off of opiates.

I knew nothing about Clonidine until day 30 of my Suboxone wd. My doctor told me to try it and WHAMO, it helped me tons with sleep. It had an overall calming effect on me too.

I wish I had better suggestions for you as far as your RLS goes.

I know how the RLS sucks and I do hope you get some relief soon!!

Take care and good luck with your surgery!!

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Romeo wrote:
Hey Ya BK,

I wonder if Clonidine would help your RLS? I know that the nervous system seems to go pretty cuckoo once we quit opiates. From what I remember, the RLS are like uncontrollable nervous twitches. Clonidine is actually a blood pressure medication, but it calms your nervous system too. Clonidine is probably THEE most popular med prescribed to folks coming off of opiates.

I knew nothing about Clonidine until day 30 of my Suboxone wd. My doctor told me to try it and WHAMO, it helped me tons with sleep. It had an overall calming effect on me too.

I wish I had better suggestions for you as far as your RLS goes.

I know how the RLS sucks and I do hope you get some relief soon!!

Take care and good luck with your surgery!!


Hello Romeo! I haven't tried clonidine because I am on a blood pressure medication already. I did take 10mg ambien that the doctor prescribed today. Laid down and got sleepy but the RLS persisted terrible. Thus I am awake and typing. Grrrr.
Thursday the surgery is at 4. A late one. I will keep you all updated.
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Magnesium supplements really help me with the RLS, especially ones coming from a slow sub taper. But damn do they make me break out.


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