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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:35 pm 
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In and around 2mg is where so many people run into issues with the wd symptoms getting very uncomforatble. I think it's key at these doses and lower to #1--keep your drops minimal. 10%, that's about it. #2--give yourself time to stabilize.

Everytime you drop your dose, you're basically pissing off a bunch of your opiate receptors. When they're PO'd, they let you know right quick!! By keeping your drops minimal, you're only upsetting those receptors to a small degree and they don't bitch so bad. Also, by making sure you're stabilized at the new dose, that makes sure they've downregulated to the new level of stimulation, then the next drop is easier.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:19 am 
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On another forum, I read about a taper plan that was supposed to be perfect. I never tried it as I could never get past 2 mgs so I said eff it and just took the plunge. Anyways, he suggested dropping every 5 or 7 days depending on being stable by 10% too. He basically said drop 10%, wait 5 days, drop 10%, go 5 days until you have lowered as much as you can, then skip a day, dose, skip 2 days, dose, skip 3 days, dose and skip 4 days, dose and then walk off. Alot of people on that forum followed the robert taper plan and swear by it. Most said they had no withdrawals at all. Maybe something to try!

I am into day 7 after a 2mg jump and feel good. First3 days were touch and go but every day seems better than the day before.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:23 pm 
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Thanks, all, for your input and advice and the points were well-taken. IF I feel the need to take extra, I will only do .5 or .25 instead of a whole 1 mg. So far, the past two days have been just fine and I've sustained on 2 mgs/day...yay!

trainer...I tried the "robert_324" taper plan 3 years ago and got incredibly sick. I believe his taper is for folks that have been on Sub a short time. After about 10-12 weeks, I was hit with the most horrid depression/anxiety and W/D. I was just in too big of a hurry. I don't blame you at all for jumping off at 2 mgs as it gets tricky from here and requires an infinite amount of patience! If I weren't so old, I would go for it but I'm 56 years old and just don't feel like going through withdrawals to that extent. I still remember how sick I got 3 years ago. I do wish you the best of luck....some, like romeo, are able to jump from higher doses and DO IT! I hope you will be one of those.

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I had such a hard time sticking to a taper and every time I tried, I ended up on a higher dose than before my attempt which always caused me to run out of meds early and withdraw between refills. Every damn month! I had to bite the bullet and jump. I wish I could taper lower but hell, 7 days in, no going back now. Today has been utter shit though. Bums me out that it got worse the more days out but staying the course.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:31 pm 
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ClearAqua wrote:
Thanks, all, for your input and advice and the points were well-taken. IF I feel the need to take extra, I will only do .5 or .25 instead of a whole 1 mg. So far, the past two days have been just fine and I've sustained on 2 mgs/day...yay!

trainer...I tried the "robert_324" taper plan 3 years ago and got incredibly sick. I believe his taper is for folks that have been on Sub a short time. After about 10-12 weeks, I was hit with the most horrid depression/anxiety and W/D. I was just in too big of a hurry. I don't blame you at all for jumping off at 2 mgs as it gets tricky from here and requires an infinite amount of patience! If I weren't so old, I would go for it but I'm 56 years old and just don't feel like going through withdrawals to that extent. I still remember how sick I got 3 years ago. I do wish you the best of luck....some, like romeo, are able to jump from higher doses and DO IT! I hope you will be one of those.

yea that shit did not work for me either. Take your time. you know whats right for you.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:28 am 
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Hey ClearAqua, How are you today???


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:44 pm 
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rca...hanging in there! Thanks for asking! I have a doc appt today and excited to get 4 mg strips this time (going to ask him for them instead of the 8 mgs). I have decided to not tell him yet about my taper....I am doing well following my own insight and as much as I like him; doctors tend to start telling you how to do it their way and I'm doing ok on my own :) The last time I broached tapering with him, he did not want me to and I don't feel like an argument.

I'm hoping getting the 4 mg strips will encourage me to start the push to go lower now. As I've said, at 2 mgs, I have felt w/d and I would rather feel NONE Lol....but I know that I have to push through some discomfort and just haven't felt like it. I have taken almost 6 months to go from 8 mg to 2 mg and it's time to get going if I wanted to get down to .5 or lower by end of this year.

Hope you are doing well too! I'm going to log on tonight and catch up with the posts...haven't had a chance in a few days.

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Today is the start of a slow "onward and downward" trip from 2 mgs/day. I'm doing something that I read about and it seemed interesting. Since it's hard for me to decide to keep going down; I thought I would try this and see how it goes.

Every other day I take my 2 mgs at 6:30 am and every other day, I will move that am dose up by one hour. Such as:

Monday - 2 mgs - 6 am
Tuesday - 2 mgs - 7 am
Wednesday - 2 mg - 6 am
Thursday - 2 mg - 8 am
Friday - 2 mg - 6 am
Sat - 2 mg - 9 am

and so on.....

The trick is that every other day you are moving that dose forward until eventually you get so close to that next days dose that you can stop it and go to every other day dosing. Someone swore by this method in a post I read and since I'm having trouble moving forward, I'm trying it.

Will report in a week or two or three how it goes.

Hope everyone is well :)

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For my journal records -

Started the every other day taking the Sub and hour later but neglected to say that I cut the every other day dose to 1 mg.
Monday - 2 mgs 6 am
Tuesday - 1 mg 7 am
Wednesday - 2 mgs 6 am
Thursday - 1 mg 8 am
Friday - 2 mgs 6 am

and so on...
Hoping that by the end of 2 mos., 2 mgs every other day; stay there for a few weeks, and begin the downward taper again.

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taper and stick, don't drop that fast. level off ie 1.8 for 5-9 days 1.5 for 5-9 days. do it like that the same every day don't change until you normalize or you will never normalize. you will w/d from every level, its not to bad it clears in 2-5 days. I don't think you will find you sobriety without doing this. it sucks but its flat out the truth. you can do this you have gotten this far. I hope this help but the last taper from 2mg is a bitch. you should get to 1mg with not many problems, keep posting we will build you a new guide then. ..................DB!!!!


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Hey ClearAqua, You do what you need to do, but I have to say I agree with Db. Personally, yo-yoing up and down like that would have made me nuts. Drop a bit, stay there until you feel somewhat "normal" (for me it was usually 3 weeks, but many go faster say like 10 days), then continue to drop. For me it didn't get tricky really until after 1mg, but I did a 50% drop to .5mg, then went to .375mg, then after I was super comfy there, jumped. I had 1 week of mild withdrawals, Day 2 worst, and every day after got better. Today I feel "almost" normal, and very happy. But again, you do what works for you, and I will support you!
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