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 Post subject: Uh. Talk much?
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 4:19 am 
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I have had just about every side effect in the past 5 years that you could possibly have. Horrible constipation where I don't go for days which has caused the worst hemroids and now a hernia from pushing, my cap on my tooth fell off from minor tooth decay, my sleeping patterns are all out of wack, my hands and feet and ears go numb, and the list goes on. But there is one side effect that seems to bother me the most. INCESSANT TALKING.

I initially started taking sub for addiction as most do but then continued to take it for pain management. I would love to stop taking it but i would rather not resort to other perscription pain killers. But the talking has to stop somehow. I even bug myself aftera while. And the crap I come up with just to babble about eventually makes no sense. I even start talking to myself when im alone in my car. I even almost lost a girlfriend becuase she thought i was crazy after i went on about how many couches i had in my childhood home compared to my home now and how it represented my rise in society haha. I literally cant stop talking if someone is around. And if I try not to talk it gives me horrible anxiety and it feels like thousands of words are piling up in my chest until they finally spew out. And if im on the phone with a friend I eventually have to hang up because I will say so much so fast that my heart will then start racing and I will get out of breath. The worst part, tho, was going to work. Even tho sub helps me concentrate for someone with ADD I would still take breaks from working often to talk and so often that it eventually got me fired. I feel like a nut-job.

Now I never really knew if other people have had this problem because none of my friends got clean in time to take sub before they died. I thought it was just me but we now have a new girl at work who never stops talking. She ends up talking so much that she screws up what shes doing. I asked and she is on sub and is also diagnosed ADD. I know how it feels but it is really hard and embarrassing to watch. When you get to talking on sub your mind races so fast to where you end up making a lot of mistakes. You dont pay attention to the task at hand becuase all your thinking about are the words spewing out of your mouth like Ol Faithful. And even tho i can empathize with her she still annoys the hell out of me with the never ending chatter. I now know what it was like for everyone else around me.

I eventually stopped taking sub before or at work and it has helped tremendously. Where before I think I was looked at as an annoyance I am now in management and respected. The talking still a problem and annoys my family but they cant fire nor break up with me lol

But i still wonder if this is common in all sub users or if it is only a condition for ADD/ADHD diagnosees. I would like to hear from you weather your have it or not just to get a general idea. This is my first post but i hope it helps. I would have made it shorter but i just took my sub.

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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 8:36 pm 
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Hi P33,

Great topic for discussion! I am one of those who talk too much after taking my dose of Suboxone. Or, er, I used to be one. Meaning, the higher the dose, the more excitable I got. My wife would ask if I've taken my Sub if I'm bothering her. Thing is, now I'm on a much smaller dose and that doesn't happen anymore. And I may have some slight ADD. My brain rarely slows down. I don't have any problems concentrating though so I say it's mild symptoms.

You didn't mention how much Sub you are taking daily and for how long. Give us some details about your addiction and induction to Suboxone.

As far as the other symptoms you mention, they may or may not be totally the Suboxone. Being constipated is definitely a side effect but normally goes away after awhile. Use fiber daily in high doses and that'll take care of that. PM me if you want more info. Your teeth? Again, maybe, maybe not. I've had my crown come off too but I chalked it up to age, not Sub. The other stuff. Who knows? The important thing is you're off the opiates. Tune your dose down and that should help with the talking. If not, your doctor should know what to prescribe. Yours is a good question for Dr. Junig here. Hopefully he will see this and respond.

Hope all is okay and your feeling good.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:57 pm 
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When I saw the subject, I thought this was going to be about just the opposite problem.
I too have had a ton of side effects from sub, some went away, some remain.

After my dose, I find it very hard to talk! I can't really hold a conversation. I lose my train of thought, can never find the right words, so I avoid talking. Interesting how sub affects us so differently.


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I talk too much almost always, anyway, from my ADD, but when I was taking 2 mg 3x a day, I was actually over drugged. I had a long term addiction to Vicodin, but often couldn't get it, so my body wasn't used to that high and level a dose. When they dropped me to the 3 mg at pm, I had to have my Adderall upped to 2x 20 am and 1x 20 at noon. That brought back my level of energy, but somewhat shut down my yappy mouth. I still comment way longer than anyone else on Facebook!


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Sorry it took me so long to respond. I've had some issues with logging in.

I believe we have found a common denominator. I also have ADD/ADHD and so does the girl I work with. We both have the problem of talking a lot. I had a GF who was trying to kick but refused to take Suboxone because it made it hard for her to think. I would end up talking a lot while she was unable to hold a conversation at all. This is very interesting to me.

Rule62 asked how I began using Suboxone. I had gotten surgery when I was 15 and got addicted to the liquid morphine and demerol that I was taking during recovery. It went from that to Hydros to Perks to Roxys to Oxys and eventually to Heroin. I got arrested in 2008, when I was 19, and was forced to stay clean for 13 months in jail and in prison. I had been selling and ended up using too much of my product to where I couldn't re-up. So I began to rob houses and even steal peoples debit cards in public without them noticing so I could get the money for Heroin. While I was inside I was attacked by a group of guards (I know how dumb that sounds but I literally sneezed and they took me down saying I made a move to attack them when all I did was raise me hand to cover my mouth) and they shattered my knee cap. Since they injured me so much, and couldn't report it since they had no cause, they put me in solitary without treatment and refused to let me call or write my family or an attorney. They even added time to my sentence so I would heal before I got out. Well I pretended to be better so I could be released but I never fully recovered. I got out in 2009 and had no problems staying clean but did have immense pain in my knee. The doctors gave me a script for Oxy, knowing I was a recovered addict but having no other options. I had the idea to use Suboxone, instead of Oxy, for the pain so I didn't go back to using. So I see a pain specialist once every three months and get a script for Subs. I've been taking it ever since I got out in Oct. of 2009. It doesn't help with the pain as much as a real painkiller would but it's better than taking the chance of relapsing and shooting up heroin again. And, since I have an extensive felony record, it is ridiculously hard to find a good paying job that will help me get the surgery I need to put an end to all of this. So I will continue taking sub until I am able to afford further treatment.

I do need the Sub for work to help with the pain but I fight through so I don't get talkative or jumbled. I would love to take less or get off of it completely but my knee keeps that from being a possibility so I take the bare minimum to get by. I wait til I get home and take half of an 8/2 film twice before eventually going to bed. I never take the subs before or during work and then I take a half four times during my days off. When I initially started taking Sub I took a whole wafer 3 times a day but I weened myself to an eighth twice a day to help with the jitters but it didn't do enough for the pain so I went back up. The switch from pill form to film made it easier to break up. I know people who take other medication with the Suboxone to counteract the excitement but I can barely afford to pay for the doctor visit once every three months. Thank God there is a coupon that allows me to get my script of Sub for free.

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 Post subject: Re: Uh. Talk much?
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Oh thank god I am not the only one! I'll call my boyfriend at work after I take my 16 mg dose and he will always say "your medicine kicked in didn't it?" I can talk a person's ear off


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This is interesting how it effects people differently in this respect....I wonder why? Does anyone know for sure?

I had the problem of being able to "think" of what I wanted to say pretty much, but getting it out of my mouth and finding the words I wanted was a challenge. That is one of the first things I noticed after I had some solid time after my jump- that my vocabulary returned and I lost the anxiety I had felt when had to talk to groups of people, and that was a big relief for me because I have to talk in front of groups almost daily!

I saw the same thing happening to my husband a couple of days ago, and I felt bad for him. He is on suboxone maintenance and we were at a meeting with a lawyer and he was trying to explain something and he just admitted he could not find the words he needed! It was almost painful to watch, because not too long ago I was there myself. It can be very frustrating.

Maybe it has to do with dosage amount and/or timing? Or other factors? IDk?

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Hey Pinion33, great to see you back and posting dude! Thanks for filling in the blanks about your history. What a horrible experience to go through w/o proper support. Is there a chance you could sue the state for what they did? I'm guessing probably not, due to the cost of an attorney.

Whatever works for your pain is okay. A lot of other pain patients break it up into smaller doses throughout the day, but I understand you not wanting to take it at work or during the day.

Great to see you back,

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butterflying - After reading everyone else's posts it seemed that ADD was common with people who talked a lot. Every single person I know who talks a lot on Suboxone has ADD and I never noticed before this thread. Everyone else seems to talk less on Sub.

But you brought up two other points that I didn't even consider to be related before now. One is talking in front of groups. I never had problems with that before taking Sub but now I have severe anxiety anytime I think I might end up talking in front of people. I even call into sports radio stations to talk about my team, the ATL Falcons, while I'm at work. When I used to take Sub at work I would freak out while waiting on the line before the station put me on the air and would even hang up sometimes because my heart was beating too fast. Now that I stopped taking it during work I have no problem calling in and talking.

The second is forgetting words. I have a horrible time remembering the simplest words in the middle of a sentence. I will have to pause and think of what the word I wanted to use was before finally giving up and admitting I can't find the words. It is horribly frustrating. I'm in the middle of writing a novel based on the stupid things me and my friends used to do when we were getting high. I write better with Sub because it makes me talk a lot but I reread it off Sub sometimes and end up changing a lot of the wording to more poetic grammar. And again, never even thought that Suboxone had anything to do with it before now.

This is the only thread I've really paid any attention to on this site but it has already been a lot of help finding the causes of some of my problems.

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I'm a talker too ! My poor hubby! At night before I get in the shower he'll be watching TV and I'll tell him to enjoy the silence while I'm gone lol. I also have a ADD.....

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I just posted on behalf of my wife for a very similar reason.

In her case, she was never diagnosed with ADD (I did, but that's a story for another day) however she has been diagnosed as Bipolar and the talking is a symptom of her "high" period, when she feels energetic, sharp, etc.

Except that in her case it no longer even passes through a "normal" stage. At least before she started Sub, it went from zero to 200mph without an intermediate stage and it would always lead to a crash eventually.

the reason I just posted is because since she started Sub about a week ago, she has been on a sustained "high" and I am concerned about the "low" that, so far, always followed the high.

Sounds like my wife may be yet another category of reactions. We have the ADD/Talk to much group, those that don't talk/can't find the words and now the Bipolar/Talk too much.

I am seriously concerned about her and definitely Suboxone has something to do with it, but historically she has been dealing with this almost all her life. It's not new, the part that's new is the lack of a crash. So far.


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Hi! I do not have ADD and I find that I cannot stop talking after I take sub. I'm not really a person that talks a lot to begin with and the first day I took it, I could not shut up, I annoyed the hell out of myself. It isn't as bad as time passes, but I do find that I talk to myself sometimes just so I can get the words out haha.


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Sk3ptik0n wrote:
I just posted on behalf of my wife for a very similar reason.

In her case, she was never diagnosed with ADD (I did, but that's a story for another day) however she has been diagnosed as Bipolar and the talking is a symptom of her "high" period, when she feels energetic, sharp, etc.

Except that in her case it no longer even passes through a "normal" stage. At least before she started Sub, it went from zero to 200mph without an intermediate stage and it would always lead to a crash eventually.

the reason I just posted is because since she started Sub about a week ago, she has been on a sustained "high" and I am concerned about the "low" that, so far, always followed the high.

Sounds like my wife may be yet another category of reactions. We have the ADD/Talk to much group, those that don't talk/can't find the words and now the Bipolar/Talk too much.

I am seriously concerned about her and definitely Suboxone has something to do with it, but historically she has been dealing with this almost all her life. It's not new, the part that's new is the lack of a crash. So far.


Bipolar here also! Although I'm not 100% certain the diagnosis is correct, as I react very unusually to all the treatments psychiatrists have ever tried, and my reactions were completely opposite what they should have been on antipsychotics- and trust me, I tried them all! I was sleeping 16+ hours a day, hallucinating, and basically just psychotic while on them, whereas before the meds, my symptoms weren't nearly as extreme (mood swings, panic attacks, and insomnia).

Suboxone has helped me more than any other med! I've been on it for 10 years, and I still have that burst of motivation and energy for a while after taking my dose. If I get into a project or cleaning something or work while I've got the "burst", I can usually keep up the momentum for several hours. Also, the talking is incessant for a bit after taking my dose. I usually split up my 6mg dose into at least 3 2mg doses daily, although I can't take it too late in the day or I won't be able to fall asleep until like 4am. And during the "burst", I can talk a mile-a-minute about anything and everything! Its sometimes embarrassing but when timed correctly its a whole lot of fun in a manic kind of way, and can be beneficial in cleaning my house spotless or making $ bartending/waitressing after dosing, (I no longer do that but I used to always make a killing just being super friendly & outgoing and running my a$$ off at full speed after a dose). Even after 10 years at a low dose, I still get the "burst".

I'm currently pregnant, and down to 0.5mg, so I don't get the "burst" taking 1/8mg every 6 hours, but it keeps me out of withdrawal and at the lowest possible [stable] dose. But as soon as the baby is born, I'll go back up to 3mg again. And once I'm done nursing (in a year as long as all goes well) I'll go back up to 6mg is I need to. Being on it for so long, I prettymuch know the drill:)

I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one with weird side effects, like the talking:)

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You don't need to worry about the come-down. As far as I know, buprenorphine is a downer, like oxycontin. But Sub is mixed with Naloxone too which is an upper. The two keep you feeling down but staying up and even out in the end. Though, she will sleep very well when it wears off, she isn't in any danger, as long as she doesn't mix it with other medication. That could be lethal.

The best course is to adjust the amount taken. I take half of one at a time and don't talk nearly as much. I know people who take as little as a 1/16 at a time. The film is easy to fold up and break into tiny pieces. Just speak the the physician about adjusting the dosage.

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