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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 11:00 am 
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hi im a 27 year old female two months ago my doc asked me if I wanted to try suboxone for pain with tramadol. I was on norco 10 4 times a day. I never heard of suboxone so I gave it a try. it did relief pain for about two weeks :( I kept taking 2 mg as taking what he prescribed made me violently ill which was 8 mg twice a day. I went back and told him I wanted off this stuff the side effects for me are horrible. I have been of the subs for three days now. I took my norco with no relief. I have two kids to take care of and how im feeling im for sure in wd's. how long will it take for the subs to be out of my system? I feel so bad for people who used to tell me they were in wd's now that I know what it feels like. the only reason I tried the sub was cause the doctors wanted to switch my norck to oxy or methadone, but I didn't want something that strong. please help I need relief


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Hi malsmith, im sorry your going through this right now. Buprenorphine is a VERY strong medication, which explains why it made you ill. Im thinking the reason your not getting pain relief from the norco right now is because taking the sub for 2 weeks raised your tolerance. I cant believe that you doctor took you from 4 norco a day straight to something as strong as dub (not saying i dont believe you, i guess im shocked how some dr.s still dont really know how strong it is )

So are you going to continue getting pain control from norco or have you doc put you on something else? I know you are probably expirencing wds right now, but the good news is that since you only used sub for 2 weeks that should lessen the lenght of time you have to spend in wd. If you could stick it out for a few days you might be able to get your tolorance back down to where it was 2 weeks ago, and start getting some pain relief from the norco again. I think you said you had tramadol for pain as well with the sub? Maybe you could get some relief from that? If you have to just stick out the wds, some things that can help you are excercise, trying to stay busy/keeping your mind occupied even though you probably dont feel like doing anything its good for you to move around a little.

Again, im sry you have to go through this, you were probably not expecting this to happen. And what makes it worse is you took the sub thinking it would be less powerfull/more safe than the oxy and other things. hopefully someone will have some more/better advice for you, and i hope everything turns out ok for you soon.


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Hi Malsmith,

More than likely the reason your not getting relief from your Norco's now is because of the blocking effect of Suboxone. The Buprenorphine in Suboxone stays in your system MUCH longer than your normal opiate. 2mg's of buprenorphine is stronger than 40 mg of Hydrocodone, I'm sure that's why you were so sick. And BD is right, it probably has raised your tolerance. However, that being said, only taking it for 2 weeks I'm sure once you give it a few more days to completely leave your system the Norco's will begin helping with your pain again. In my opinion, your doctor should have tried the Buprex patch with you first. The active ingredient in the patches is the same as Suboxone, but in a much smaller dose. If the Suboxone was controlling your pain well, you might ask your doctor about it. My doctor mentioned them to me a couple years ago, at the time it was a brand new product and they were quite pricey, but the cost may have come down some now.

I hope you feel better soon. I know all too well how hard it is to take care of a family while dealing with pain and WD. Good luck!


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I meant to say I have been on the subs for two months not two weeks. I really appreciate the advice. I got pain relief for not very long on the subs so thats why im switching back to norco. I called my doc today and he said I should be fine... im apparently not lol. I told him im experiencing wd's which is the worst thing I have EVER felt. I was fine on the norco just my tolerance was getting too high thus no more relief. why would this doc put me on a drug thats so potent? never heard of the patch thats a good idea. I have been exercising, but im not supposed to cause my gallbladder is now enlarged and took a biopsy of my stomach, but exercise makes the pain tolerable but these wd's omg I promise I will NEVER call somebody a cry baby for going thru them. I really hate to mix anything like alcohol and pills which I yell at people for doing. I take my meds as prescribed or less. im sorry to anyone thst is offended butfor me I think subs are horrible. I think my doc should have informed me on how strong they are and the side effects. what can I do to help these wd's besides exercise and keeping busy. I wake up and wang to DIE. I am depressed which I wasnt before. my friend that takes subs goes from sub to diloton(sp?) back and forth and has no problem. why am I? it pisses me off well im just in a bad depressed state anyways. I know ppeople lie online but whats the point? im being honest so I can get help. when will the sub be out of my system after 2mg a day for two months... so frustrated. pls anymore advice would be appreciated!


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The sub will probably be gone in another couple days. If you drink lots of fluids and excercize a bit it might help.

Don't worry about offending anyone...Suboxone isn't really meant to be used in people with a low tolerance for opiates. And I know that you probably don't feel like your tolerance is that low, but it is compared to most of us who wound up on suboxone. The reason you feel so bad on it is because it is just too strong for you. I think you did the right thing by stopping it now before your tolerance really went sky high. As it is, you might have to raise your dose of Norco to make your pain subside. Don't take my advice as medical advice please...I'm just saying that your tolerance has been raised from the subs. Talk to your doctor before taking anything more than what's prescribed. After awhile it will probably come back down to where it was, but I'm sorry I can't tell you how long that might take.


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Ok I see now where you said you were on it for 2 months, and then you said you only got pain relief for 2 weeks. lol my bad.

Yeah i dont think that was very wise of your doctor to prescribe a non tolorant person 8mg twice a day. You can talk to your doctor about the Butrans transdermal patch if you think low dose buprenorphine would help with pain relief (buprenex is an injectable for of buprenorphine).

Buprenorphine does not have the same blocking effect at lower doses which is probably why your friend is able to go bavk and fourth between sub and dilaudid. I think your tolorance has definatly been raised substantialy from the sub, because if you are expirencing wd that should mean the sub is leaving your system and you now have opiate receptors that are not occupied anymore and should be available for the norco to work on them. qhorse is right though, dont take this as medical advice and dont take more medication than is prescribed to you currently!

I think the best thing if you want to just continue with norco would be ti stick out the wd for a couple more days to lower your tolorance back down to where it was before the sub, and then you and your doctor can go from there

Getting your endorphins going from excercise, laughing, and sex(seriously) can help you feel better. it dosent have to be excercise from strenous activity you can just take a brisk walk and that should do. Taking vitamins/amino acids can help too, also immodium for any stomach upset will help. google the thomas recipe for opiate detox it has alot of the things i already mentioned but also some other things i might jave left out

good luck, and let us know how your doing


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I think the reason your misguided doctor wanted you to try sub is that your tolerance with sub is not supposed to go up like it does with norco. This may not seem right since the sub didn't work for your pain, so you might think, "I would have had to take more sub for it to work for me." But really, what you experienced is that suboxone is only a partial agonist while norco is a full agonist. A full agonist is going to be more effective for your pain, but eventually you will need more to maintain the same level of pain relief. I don't know if I made things more clear or muddied the water! But good luck getting through these stinking withdrawals!!

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Butrans patch...NOT Buprex!!!! LOL....Thanks for catching my mistake BD!


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well ive been exercising which i don't know if its helping since I wake up screaming from charlie horses(don't know if its from wd's or exercise) called back the doc and he told me to read my bottle lol it says take TWO norco 10's at a time... isnt that bad? he knows my stomach is already inflamed as showed by the results of the scope. my brain is sooo foggy I think its been my fourth day with no sub and the norco is working bit not like it used to! no I dont want to take more than I have to, but everyday I wake up its the worst thing I have ever experienced. thid might be stupid but does ur stomach hurt BAD when u have wd's? I have kids to take careof and ddon't want to go past 4 pills a day. I know u guys r not doctors but give great advice, I want to know should I take two pills at a time? and should I take one in the middle of the night so I dont wake up with wd's? im sleeping fine probably due to xanax and ambien(I have post tramatic stress). will my receptors be screwed for life now? I feel like im my doctors guinea pig. I can say the sub was not right for me personally but I watched my friend go thru aherion habit and the subs I think saved her life, I just dont like her going back and fourth from sub to dilotin, I can c how ddepressed she is wanting to die and has no interest even in her kids. ty for all u guys listening... my doc sure don't


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oh and my doc said a big fat no to the patch


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I would look for another doctor to help with your pain issues. You can try a pain management clinic and get an idea of what they think your best way to go would be. My guess is you might do better on a stronger med if it is warranted. I went through a rough patch recently and got a script for some Percocets instead of Norco. A stronger med and it worked great. I just didn't catch a buzz on it so I didn't like it. That, my friend, is an addict mind.

Suboxone is supposed to be for opiate addiction, not pain. As a Dr. he should know that. The Butrans patch is a low dose of Buprenorphine made just for pain relief. It is pretty hard to abuse although I guess it could be done. If I were you I'd stay away from any Bupe unless you become addicted later on and it doesn't sound like you are an addict. Not wanting to take two Norco's is not in my vocabulary.

IMO, it will take almost two weeks for you to transition back to Norco again. That's what it took for me. You may have totally different results. And yes, the leg muscles twitching, stomach ache, insomnia, are all withdrawal related. Have no fear, it will pass. I just get amazed at people who are able to NOT take more than prescribed.

Hopefully you'll get some pain relief from some other full agonist opiate and not take Suboxone again.

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No problem qhorse..honest mistake that anyone could make

malsmith, you asked if it was bad to take two at a time, well it shouldnt be if thats what os prescribe to you, but then you also said your stomach is inflamed. Tylenol and other things can be pretty rough on the stomach. IDK if maybe your doctor overlooked thay when he prescribed it to you, and if so then maybe this giy shouldnt even be a doctor. Im not trying to scare you or anything, but maybe you should remind your doctor of the fact that your stomach is inflamed, or get a second opinion. R62 is right maybe you can try a pain management clinic and they can guide you in the right direction for your pain relief. If you have stomach issues maybe a transdermal delivery system would be a better option, like the butrans patch that was mentioned or something that is a full agonist like fentanyl(sp)

I do not have children,but i can imagine it must be tough to go through wd and trying to take care of kids. Hell wd is tough enough without kids. I know you dont like to see your friend go back and fourth like that, addiction is not pretty. I hope your friend gets the help she needs!

All the symptoms your having are most likely wd, immodium can really help with the stomach upset.

Let us know how it goes and, i hope you feel better soon hun!!


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You really should seek out a pain management specialist, it will likely require you asking your primary care physician directly for a referral. The problem is that Norco is a really uneffective way to treat chronic pain as it is so up and down in that it has a short duration of action which often causes the patient to focus mentally on the pain and medication. 'have I taken enough?' 'Have I taken too much?' 'Should I take more' 'How should I take this so I don't wake up in the middle of the night?' 'What time is it and what time did I take my last dose?!' REPEAT EVERY TWO-FOUR HOURS TOPS. See where I'm going with this. This is likely why your Dr. had the idea to transfer you to a longer acting preperation of an opioid. Yr. Doc seems to be about as informed as a well-meaning BUT UNINFORMED Dr. would be; his specialty simply isn't pain management which is a REALLY complex issue. You NEED to be aassessed by a pain management specialist to see where your pain is really at and what the best treatment plan for you individually would be. If not you will be on a rollercoaster ride of narcotics thqat might not be the best in your case that will keep you comfortable very, very fleetingly. Again, tell your Dr. you would like a referral to a pain management specialist.

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I don't know if I mentioned this but I have been on the same dose of norco 10's 4-5 a day for six years. my tolerance is so high there ineffective. I have seen two pain management docs, didn't like both because they offered methadone which ive seen someone overdose on which scared the crap outta me and heard the wd's are even worse. the othe pm doc wanted me on oxy cottin (sp?). I was trying to avoid anything stronger than norco. my primarys secondary is pain management but he sure is not managing it. The patch seems like my best option at this point. Both times I got pregnant I just stopped the norco with no problem. seems like after the two months on sub is screwed me up making the transition. I am taking two at a time now just to relieve the pain and wd's! my xanax helps alot too. Ive never like had a craving I guess u would put it or wanting to take more norco, but I feel like the sub set me back. yes my stomach is inflammed, but my primary hasnt seen those results yet, so yes that does scare me that im tearing up my stomach with this crap and I definitely don't want to abuse them after not for six years. I have alot of addicts around me I have to keep everything locked up which sucks but what r u gonna do lol. ive felt better but like I said I take two every six hours which just leaves me feeling sick without taking a xanax with it. somebody pls tell me the bestway to taper off the norco with no wd's? I appreciate all ur advice. I find this forum to help me more than my own doctors!


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Im sry malsmith, i dont think theres gonna be an easy way to stop the norco paon free, and i doubt anyone here would be able to tell you how to taper norco. Most of us are here because we couldnt taper our doc. The logical thing would be to take less and less over time, but sometimes doing that can be difficult, especially for different personalitys. I understand youve been using them for years so its not gonna be easy.You can try the otc meds and vitamins and other things mentioned but noting is gonna completly take the wd away but time.Im sorry i dont have any really good advice for you.


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