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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:21 pm 
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I started this thread in order to get feedback from others about Suboxone and Chronic pain.

My Chronic Pain Management Doctor recently wanted me to try using Suboxone SL Strips for the treatment of chronic pain.

History, Broken C-3 vert., DDD, Spinal Stenosis, Spurring at the L-3-L5 and C-3 which are into the fatty tissue and have compromised the nerves there causing Sciatica, dislocated Patella and torn ligaments at right leg, boken right foot, w/ torm ligaments of the left foot, which later developed into Neuropathy of both feet and ankles, right being more severe, Osteoarthritis NOS, and RLS. Three major surgeries to attempt to reapir these injuries and 18 months of rehab to better use my legs and strengthen my back and neck muscles.

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The first week I was taking Subutek to allow the strong opiates to get out of my system. The I titrated to 1/2 a 8 mg strip every 4-6 hours as needed for pain. In addition to the Suboxone, I was prescribed Clonazepam and Neurontin. [font=Times New Roman] [/font]

The first week while using Subutek, I couldn't really tell a big difference until about the 3-4 day, when my pain started to bother me again. The second week (last week) after I was taking the Suboxone, and the other meds, and I could stand my pain when I used OTC pain relievers with the Suboxone.

I am having trouble sleeping now and itch a lot, esp. at night. So I added Benadryl mg at bedtime.

I still psychologically crave the opiates, but I don't have any physical problems by going w/o the opiates, unless the insomnia is one of them? The intching reminds me of when I used to take oxycontin, and would itch form the histamine release it caused...used Benadryl then too.

As for now I can see at these low, more frequent doses that the Suboxone is helping the pain some.

I hope to hear from some of you that may be using Suboxone for Chronic Pain and what you experiences are/have been like.

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I was on suboxone for four years to treat my pain management issues and I won't lie they were the worst four years of my life. It worked good for the first couple months but as soon as I got use to the meds and was at the max dose over time it did nothing for my pain. Also suboxones side effects played a huge role in making those four years unbarable. But thats just my personal exp. there have also been people who had great success with subs for pain. I myself switched over to methadone and it was the best switch i ever made I'm no longer in pain. And I'm also in a much better place in life in general

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Hey, it sounds like way different than the doctor told me, he said one doesn't delelope a tol. to suboxone.

@Bboy, I am glad to hear the mdone is working better for you! The mdone clinic near me has a lot of people there, and they are in the parking lot as early as 2 am, waiting for the doors to open at 5:30 am, a lot of people are getting busted in the parking lot trading pills, etc.. Some of the people I grew up with that go there said they are also giving them Subutek to take along with the mdone.

In this area, if one is even seen at the mdone clinic people immediately tell everyone else, and from then on are labled as a junkie. They do not seem to understand that not everyone is using mdone or suboxone because of drug abuse alone, and seem to be ignorant to the fact that both are being used for Chronic Pain Management now.

I am in my second week using the suboxone for cpm, I have not noticed any tolerance YET.

I am having unwanted side effects as I mentioned at the start of this thread.

I dread the day that I do develop a tolerance to it though, because I hear that since suboone has like a 37 hour half life that the wd's from sub is as bad or worse than mdone.

For now, the suboxone is helping me, I am on a regime of low doses at more frequent intervals. Since there is a ceiling effect, the larger doses may be get wasted.

I did notice one the first few days especially that the suboxone was more effective than it is just after a couple weeks.

Do you all think it is where the suboxone was new to my system, or was it a psychological thing in the drugs effectiveness for CPM?


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A lot of recovering opiate addicts use Suboxone for pain management. Some have real good luck on it, some don't. From what I remember of people on this forum, most seem to get pretty decent pain relief. Again, from memory, I think a lot of the folks who have been on Suboxone for a good while and who use it for pain relief still get good pain relief.

Supposedly, we don't develop a tolerance to Suboxone. I know when I was taking full agonists like Hydrocodone or OxyContin, I always wanted more, more, more....but that wasn't really the case with Suboxone.

You spoke briefly about wd from Suboxone being worse than wd from Methadone. I guess it could be if you jumped from a high enough dose? If you taper your Suboxone dose down before you quit taking it altogether, your wd will be much more bearable. I think the thing that gets people who are going through Suboxone wd is the length of the wd. Suboxone wd doesn't seem as intense as other opiate wd, but it hangs around like a bad fart and seems to take forever to go away!!

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You also mentioned that people were being given BOTH subutex and methadone at the clinic you were familiar with. This would not be happening concurrently, I can tel you that is a fact; If it is, I'd contact a medical review board because there are some seriously unethical practices, certainly practices beyond the current standard of care happening. Some patients on Methadone may taper their dose to 30-40mg or hopefully lower then switch to Subutex but the two medications are really tricky to take together as the high affinity for receptors buprenorphine produces yet its low opioid effects will not keep someone with a signifigant methadone habit out of withdrawal and unless both meds had been started at the exact same time and in extremely low (not close to 8mg) buprenorphine doses, and kept to a constantly monitored, rigid schedule precipitated withdrawal would occur. Even then, it's anyone's guess both Bupenorphine and Methadone have some very unique properties as opposed to other 'more basic' opioids.

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I use suboxone for my severe addiction to opiates "first" I guess,,,,,,,,, and for chronic pain, secondly.
probably the reason I'll stay on it, at least for now..........

When you posted your intro "opiates to suboxone" I wrote a pretty long reply about it already, so I won't
make you suffer thru that, again, LOL

suboxone has worked well for me, when taking it thruout the day. . . . . taking in once a day, doesnt work well for ME,,,,
twice a day, is usually sufficient though, but I do take three doses sometimes.
My doctor knows all of this, but I tell him, I take it three times a day more often than two, LOL

It doesnt seem that I have developed a tolerance, , , , , , , , For ME,,, it actually seemed to work BETTER, the
more time I had on it, and AWAY from my addiction days.

I take motrin, daily and use those heat patches almost daily in the winter months.
it seems like when Im cold, I hurt worse.
ALL week this week, I wore flannel pajamas underneath my jeans to work............ That did the trick for keeping warm in the shop all day. LOL
I also have a perscription for generic flexiril,,,,, I dont know how to spell the generic name, LOL
I dont take that too often,,, gives me BAD dry mouth and makes me sleepy.

WELL,
I do hope suboxone provides relief for you, I really do

so do you think you were addicted to opiates? you say you never abused them, other than taking extra sometimes,,,,,,
so you never snorted, or anything like that???
Im just curious, that's all.
sometimes it's hard for my MIND to wrap around the IDEA, that there ARE people who can take ONE PILL and put the bottle back in the cabinet!!! LOL
you dont have to answer, if you dont want to.

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Thanks for the info all !

I was glad to hear from many that they had not developed a tolerance as of yet, that had me wondering.

In addition to a lot of times wanting to take more of the other opiates, years ago, I did try and snort some pain pills, maybe I was hoping it would work better, and also a lot of the people who I knew then were doing their meds that way.

The Suboxone does seem to be helpig w/ the cp.

I take OTC pain relievers and seems to help too.

The craving are getting less each day, and I know I have more money now than I did at some intervals when I would run out.

I just hope the side effect I am geeting frm the Suboxone, insomnia goes away.

Trying another 50 mg of benadryl tonight to try to get a good nights sleep.

Thanks everyone for your replies! 8)


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I am glad to also say that where I was asked (by a MODERATOR) of this forum in this thread, if I have ever abused any of my meds.

My fisrt question is, @ amber4.14.11 "Have you abused drugs?"

My phrasing of the ("I had not abuse any of my meds...) was refering to when after referral to my current PMD that during that time frame, not my entire life! Actually to me it doesn;t even mater if I did or didn't either way, I just know that how Suboxone was helped me NOW, not back THEN...

So yes I have abused meds before:
It was long ago before I ever even heard of "snorting" pain pills. I tried snorting a pain pill years ago when a friend of mine was snorting a pile of dust, I asked "what are you snorting" he said a 40, and he said they helped him better and hit him faster. So yes, I did try not a 40, but snorted a Percocet. No bad burn a little drain, and I did get some relief from the snort of the perc. Back then all I had really heard about people mostly snorting was coke and stuff like that. Back then people just did not snort many pp's, they ate them typically, smoked some weed, drank a few beers, etc, etc..

After I saw the damage that it did to another guy who abused his pills by snorting, and it really messed up his sinuses to the point to where he talks like he has a clamp on his nose and other people having to have surgery, etc., I knew that snorting pills was not for me.

Suboxone has really helped me, Now, I don't even want to swallow a opiate pill for pain much less snort on inhale them!

Another good story about abusing meds when Suboxone may have made the difference:
I tried to convince one of my "junkie" neighbors into going to a Suboxone doctor to get her life back, and to also help her to be responsible enough to take care of her 4 young kids. She said "that sh..t don't do anything but make me sick..." A few days later I heard the rescue squad go by my house and the next day her daughter came over to use my phone and told me that her mother tried to inject a Concerta ER, apparently what we researched on the www, is that Concerta ER is like Ritalin, which is a speed like drug. I started a thread on a forum bout this btw..She originally told the ER doctor that was having an allergic reaction to a cold medicine. The doc got a UDT and it came back dirty for many illicit drugs.
Her arms where she tried to inject the Concerta ER was swollen and the vein was raised up. Concerta ER "gels" up like many of the abused drugs do now days. The difference with the gel in the Concerta ER is that it is thin enough that some of the "gel" goes through the cotton filter. The "gel" does not further dissolve in the blood stream, and is an irritant to the veins. The "gel" can form clots, and the clot can go anywhere in the blood stream. If you type in Concerta ER IV into a search engine, you can read a post where a person was admitted to the ER after being taken there, and the clot had lodged behind the eyes and cut off circulation to the retina I think it was and the person was totally blind ! Since there had been no blood supply to those are(s), the blindness was apparently permanent.

So there are a couple of stories why people should consider Suboxone for either cpm and/or drug abuse.

I have not been on Suboxone for cpm a long time yet, it can be very effective I can tell you that, and can also keep people from having to go through unnecessary nightmares in their lives by abusing drugs to try to self medicate in order to help with their pain or wd's, etc

I look forward to hearing your comments.


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Naloxone as Dr. Jeffrey Junig, the "this is his forum btw !) said well, "kicks" other opiates like H out of the mu-receptor sites in the brain very easily.

According to him buprnorphine, fentanyl and naloxone are the best at doing this.

Naloxone can cause immediate wd symptoms if an opiate like H is introduced into one's bloodstream.

From what I have read Cocaine may be one of the few narcotics that will still have about the same effects w/ or w/o naloxone. Cocaine may use a different type of receptor site in the brain than other narcotics.

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I read today that the amount of drugs like Oxycodone in raw form that manufacturers of pain pills comtaining the chemical have been drastically reduced.

Manufacturers were allowed about 135 million grams of it a couple of years ago, last year they were only allowed around 95,000,000 grams.

The number of patients on oxy vs morphine for chronic pain have switched sides. A few years ago apprently Morphine was commonly prescribed for chronic pain. After Oxy was introduced, the number of patients taking oxy now days os more than double the number of patients on Morphine for CP.

Apparently the DEA has also set amounts/restrictions that pharmacies can have in stock in one day. I read it was like 6-100 pill bottles of oxy. This has caused a difficulty for some CPP's, to get their meds filled.

Hopefully some of these people will try Suboxone for Chronic Pain, and see that it does work and can improve their lives as well.


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UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM


i wasnt trying to piss you off, if that's what happened, I was ONLY trying to help.


sorry, if there was some kind of mis-interuptation.


and IF you were asking ME,
yes I did abuse meds, every medication I took for about ten years,,,,,
ate them by the handfull, then snorted, finally injected, at the end.
I have no issues with that NOW, that's what suboxone's helped ME with. for ME, there's no "reward" when you take more,
maybe that's why its the ONLY thing that's worked for me????

I dont know.

Im no doctor or specialist, or anything of the sort.
Only trying to help.
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Sorry I'm just getting back to this thread but I disagree with the others I developed a tolerance to suboxone. I had to increase my dose non stop till I got up to 32mgs and after a week at 32 I no longer got the same effect pain wise. And I was at the max ceiling effect so I couldn't go any higher and the 32mgs only got less and less effective. As of everyone talking about you going to a methadone clinic sometimes you just have to put your health first and what people think second! But glad to here things are working out for you and if you have any questions about methadone hit me up!

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I wasn't mad at all no worries ! I want to be as honest and truthful as I can, I want to stay away from other opiates that wasted at least 25 years of my life.....unfortunately "been there done that" for way too long, until I found a good doctor that suggested Suboxone to me. I am gong to thank him at my next visit for saving my life , money and thank him for the fact that I have the chance now to live the rest of my life not strung out on stronger opiates that seem to not have a "ceiling" like Suboxone does.

Like I said I have abused my meds by taking more than I should and have snorted some also, thankfully I have not used them IV. Some of the meds I was on relieved the pain well enough that I didn't need to use them IV, I will admit the thought has crossed my mind many , many times, especially when I would see someone come back from their bathroom and had Iv'd some of their 30mg roxies and they seemed so happy and supposedly pain free and not a worry of their mind, even though they had to smoke my cigarettes, drink my soda, etc.

They always needed a ride some where, expecially to their pain clinic, which is like 1-2 hours one way from here. They would sell some of their pp's to reimburse me for the gas and give me a few 30's and and few percs for taking them and do some with me, what a waste of time I realize that was now. I quit doing that after I took him the last time and he came out and said "the doctor had changed their meds to injections, patches and percs". The patches were called Duragesic as I remember and I put one on my lower back and I couldn't tell anything for anout 10 hours or so later (basically the nest day) and it did to seem to relieve the pain (but I was also taking my reg. meds) in my hips and lower back. He only gave me like 10 percs and [b]no gas money[/b]. So he called the next he called me and said I need to be there at 8:30 am , Tuesday?, I told him the truth. that the front left and right ball joints were shot, my front tires were worn at the edges to the point you could see the wires! This was true and it costed me about 350 bucks to get them fixed. I haven't heard from them since about going there, but still see them around as usual, but not more runs as i like to to refer going to pill mills was.

As for Methadone, the cost at the local clinic is 90 bucks a week. Or, $360.00 a month not counting gas, etc..
The first month at the mdone clinic you have to go every day and they watch them take their dose. They do a drug screen every visit b4 dosing. The second month they give a 1 week supply of mdone thay call "take homes here". They still do a drug screen b4 they give them too. I am told that they give some people up to 150 mg after they have been there a while I a clear bottle, I have has some people tell me they get "wafers" to take home? , bottles, which they have to bring back the following week. People do get Subutek there too, not sure of all the details, but they do ! Some of the people I know have been going to this clinic for about 15 years, don't work, have no phone, computer or car typically. They have told me they usually sell to regular people some of their take home meds at 1 buck per mg of mdone. Many of them pull the liquid into a syringe and IV it,, wow..So I see a higher abuse potential w/ mdone as compared to sub? They say by selling part of their meds (mdone) is the only way they can afford to go to the mdone clinic. I know I can't afford 90 bucks a week, I have been told that mdone is better for pain than Suboxone, IDK? I do know when they occassionally stop by here or I give them a ride, lol, they take their dose, say orally and if they sit down they "nod" off, and it seems they don't even know they were nodding off, because when I ask them how it feels when they nod off and that say, oh. I don't think I was nodding off....etc. etc..

So I would worry about abuse, nodding off and having to drive in case of a emergency, like my mom called or their neighbor called, my Mother has Multi Myloma Cysto Sarcoma (sp?) and diabetes, and my 1st cousin has 3 inoperable malignant brain tumers, and I could get sick or fall, etc..I would worry that I would not be in control of my faculties on methadone like I ma on Suboxone? Maybe these people I speak of are taking more (metahdone) than a daily dose when they nod off and are out of it basically?

I have never felt out of it, nodded off or felt drunk, out of control, afraid or unable to drive on Suboxone.

I started by subutex on October 17th, for near a week, then started taking the suboxone. I have more energy and when people or family see me now I don't hear, "are you still sick, you don;t look like you used to...". Taking Suboxone, I hear, WOW, oyu are looking better, your color id better, we were worried about you, and I don't get those distant looks at local convenient stores like I did before Suboxone either,,,,make me feel better just how I am treated not by not only friends and family, but I have since I started taking Suboxone, I have noticed strangers (clerks at stores, etc..) that I strike up conversations with, actually have something to say now, rather than..thank you.

I take small doses (4 mg) every 4-6 hours for pain. From the first dose I noticed some pain relief. As I mentioned earlier, I take some OTC's like Tylenol about 3 times a day. For the forst week I couldn't sleep even taking Remeronan Clonazapam.

Now I am able to sleep very well. The unusual dreams are still there and still when I go to bed, after I close my eyes I see faint like unusual things which are difficult to describe. They are not bothersome, but are very noticeable. I have learned to ignore them by thinking of the good/positive things in my life that happened that day or what I intened to do the next day and usually now I am asleep in about 30 minutes or so. I have no hangover feeling from the Suboxone like stronger opiates made me feel the next day...[i].

I no longer crave for the other opiates and actually now I feel great !.

I am very thankful I found a drug that is working for me !! :D

Comments about you experiences with Suboxone and your Chronic Pain will be greatly appreciated !


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The bad strom hit this area causing thousands of people to be without electricity.

I was without power and water (I have a well and electric pump) from Sunday night and it was restored Wednesday night around 8:30 pm.

It was very cold here, and I usually hurt more when it gets cold or wet, etc...

The Suboxone did a very good job of helping my chronic pain even when it got pretty darn' cold here a couple of times !

I didn't have any tv or pc a few days, and had time to read and think about my past drug issues. I thought about people I know/knew who probably didn't care or maybe didn't even know how bad this storm was becasue they were probably high as helk ! I also thought about what were the people living on the streets for many reasons, including drug abuse, were doing during such a severe storm?

I felt good too, not "high", but I felt good that I was not hurting and broke and I was thankful for having a roof over my head, and I had small alternative heat source and a lantern and candles for light.

It felt good too, knowing I was not worried about having to go out and try to "hook up" with a connection with the roads in the shape they were.

After losing a lot of friends as I posted before, I feel in a way for the meantime that Suboxone is now one of my best friends !

If you have any positive comments or remarks about your experience(s) using Suboxone for chronic pain, I look forward to hearing from you.

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It is my understanding that Buprenorphine was developed in England for use in pain control. It is still used in many precedures by doctors around the world.

Buprenorphine is reportedly more powerful mg vs mg than other strong opiates like Morphine Sulphate, but Buprenorphine will not actually get a person high like many of the stronger opiates do..

Buprenorphine alone has a high abuse potential according to the FDA, and Naloxone which is an opiates receptor site antagonist was added to Buprenorphine to lower the abuse potential by causing immediate w'd if taken while opiates are in ones system.

The two drugs were combined into a compound drug called "Suboxone". Suboxone was first targeted at Heroin addicts.

Suboxone has helped many recovering addicts stay clean, and has saved the lives of many people who have switched to it from stronger opiates.

One good thing about Suboxone is that the more you take of it only increases it's effectiveness up to a certain amount of mg, this is called the ceiling effect.

Suboxone is used for many uses other than opoid addiction.

Maybe you could talk to your doctor about Suboxone, or you could tell a friend about it who may have some issues with taking pain killers, etc.


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Apparently when one experiences pain, the brain can sned it's own type of pain relievers that it makes and helps alleviate pain.

After using strong opiates for pain, the receptors sites in the brain get pretty mucg "gobbed" up. After this happens over longer and longer periods of time, the brain in some ways becomes lazy and less of the pain relievers are released by the brain.

When one uses opiates for pain relief, after a short amount of time the opiates become less and less effective. This can lead to addiction and can often ruin one's financial, social and family life as they find themselves trying to deal with the pain by taking more of a certain drug or by changing to other stroger opiates. This "snow ball" effect can never end for some people.

I found a very good video on the use of Suboxone in addition to exercise for the relief od neck, back and sciatica pain.

Here is the link to the video by John Zajaro's:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPPSSa4yAgw

The article that I got this video from is called "Suboxone and Pain Management: Chronic back pain relief"

Here is the link to that artcle:

http://ultimatebadbackstrategies.com/su ... in-relief/

In the article some good points of interest are emphasized upon in a reader friendly style.

I hope you will take the time to check out these links and I know you wil have a better insight as to the use Suboxone not only for drug addiction but for Suboxone's as a pain medicine, which is becoming more and more popular since the effectiveness of this drug for the relief of certain types of pain and the results for this use are becoming better understood.

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Buprenorphine is a semi-synthetic of thebaine, one of the most active alkyloids of Morphine.

It is reportedly 10-25 times more potent than Morphine in use for analgesia.

Taken from Wikipedia.com

Advantages of buprenorphine in general in the treatment of chronic pain are, from a clinical perspective, its relatively long half-life, the option of sublingual and transdermal application and the excellent safety profile (ceiling effect for respiratory depression, lack of immunosuppressive effect, low pharmacokinetic interaction potential, no accumulation in renal impairment). Although not enough western literature is available, use of inj. buprenorphine in 'spinal' anaesthesia is rising in countries like India. Up to 150 micrograms of the drug (0.5 mL) of the preservative free solution is added to the local anaesthetic bupivacaine, and a smoother analgesia is obtained with the benefit of the patient remaining pain-free until up to eight to ten hours of the spinal being given.


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The bad strom hit this area causing thousands of people to be without electricity.

I was without power and water (I have a well and electric pump) from Sunday night and it was restored Wednesday night around 8:30 pm.

It was very cold here, and I usually hurt more when it gets cold or wet, etc...

The Suboxone did a very good job of helping my chronic pain even when it got pretty darn' cold here a couple of times !

I didn't have any tv or pc a few days, and had time to read and think about my past drug issues. I thought about people I know/knew who probably didn't care or maybe didn't even know how bad this storm was becasue they were probably high as helk ! I also thought about what were the people living on the streets for many reasons, including drug abuse, were doing during such a severe storm?

I felt good too, not "high", but I felt good that I was not hurting and broke and I was thankful for having a roof over my head, and I had small alternative heat source and a lantern and candles for light.

It felt good too, knowing I was not worried about having to go out and try to "hook up" with a connection with the roads in the shape they were.

After losing a lot of friends as I posted before, I feel in a way for the meantime that Suboxone is now one of my best friends !

If you have any positive comments or remarks about your experience(s) using Suboxone for chronic pain, I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

bxr




DUDE,,, I gotta share this lil story with ya...................
so I live in NW oregon,,, and in december of 2007,,,, we had two typhoons that "hooked up" together from japan, hit here,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Coastal_Gale_of_2007

we had sustained winds, over 100mph, and gusts to 157,,, the wind gauges broke at the coast guard air station, my uncle was stationed here, at that time..........
the storm lasted almost THREE DAYS,,,,,,,,
EVERY power pole, was on the GROUND,,,,, there were trucks bringing STACKS of poles, for WEEKS.
we were without power for 12 days,,, my grandma got her power on, before we did so we stayed with her, the flooding, everything, was REALLY bad,,, red cross tents with food and water, the whole nine yards.........
the cell service was NON existent, by day two of the storm and your cell phone even landline phones, didnt work for
a WEEK..... I got back AT&T service, after 6 days, 911 didnt even work, they were "dispatching" trucks, over the a.m. radio-the only thing that was broadcasting was "ham" radio......
ANYWAYS,
here's MY POINT........
the DAY BEFORE the storm "hit" I had gone to the city (two hour drive) to my pain management place, and "re-upped"
I was TRADING PILLS FOR GASOLINE
to get back and forth to the red cross place, to EAT........
I was LUCKY<<<<< that I had that appt the day BEFORE,,,, sooooo many people I knew, were sooooo sick,,
it was really crazy,,,,,
and cash,,, didnt mean SHIT........ the only thing that was WORTH ANYTHING, was water, food, weed, pills or the "gold" FUEL
no gas station, in my COUNTY could pump gas........
and EVERY MAIN road, was closed,,,,,,
hwy 26 was closed, for a week, hwy 30, too.

I was OUT of my perscription, by the time power/cell service was back,,,,, becuz first of all, I could NEVER save ANY pills.
and, becuz that's how we were able to EAT....
it was pretty nuts, and im VERY THANKFUL that my son wasn't "around" then,,,,,
ONE funny thing,
about that time, is almost EXACTLY ten months later, there were "record amounts of babies born at local hospitals"
the "average"
is around 2-3 per WEEK in astoria, and 1-2 per week, in seaside,
nine and a half months after that storm,,,,
there was about 8 babies born, each hospital for a couple weeks,

It DID show me, how far your willing to go FOR your addiction,,, I saw a small scope of what I was in for,,,
we had people slamming on their brakes, in the MIDDLE of the road, when they saw me drive by,,,
people bringing gas cans full of gas to my apartment,,, TV's,,,,, even had a guy bring me his kid's wrapped xmas gifts.
Just figured I'd share that,,,,

Im really glad you didnt have to deal with any of that crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and IM really glad, I wont either, if something like that, happened again.

Its definitely been a HUGE wieght lifted to not carry my addiction around,,,,,, the CONSTANT voice in my head,
telling me I HAVE TO GET MORE,,,, ALL the time,,,,
man, that got OLD......

My heart DOES go out to all the people displaced by that storm,,,,,, its NO fun,not being able to go home,,,

hope everybody has a GREAT SUNDAY :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:14 pm 
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Wow, now was a terrible storm you described ! I will give more comments on your storm after a brief update about "Sandy" and her path of destruction.

People may take for granted some of the simplest things when nothig is going wrong, like "Acts of God" causing roads to close etc..

Suboxone patients and patients taking many meds could be in a bad way if they are unable to get them.

We have had the electricity go out here for a couple of weeks here in the southern Appalachian Mountain area I live in. People were in a panic then for sure. One problem with this area and electricity is that many of the power poles are in areas only accessible by helicopter or by foot, The power company here (AEP) does a very poor job of clearing the right of way for the power lines in habitated areas, much less in those steep, extremely rugged areas. So, trees fall on many of the lines, old poles and new ones fall, sometimes by the hundreds, and AEP does not employ then man poawer to deal with bad storms here to say the least.

During this last storm casued by Sandy and an "Alberta Clipper" from the west colliding over this area, caused what I described here. AEP sent the majority of their crews to the coastal areas where "Sandy" did even more devestation. Glad they sent crews from Oklahoma and Texas to this area to help out. The crews that did arrive here to help , got here only to find out that most of the transformer fuses needed to fix power at residential areas had been taken out to the coast...LOL, so the help that came from further out west had to atually "rig" fuses for the ones in a large area around me.

From seeing on national news like CNN, the storms reprocutions are still affecting many areas in the eastern US.

It made me think how bad it was at you area in 2007 ! It reminded me of when the gas crisis hit in the 70's, when people were alloted how much gas they could get in a given time period. Pepple were lined up at the gas stations for ever, and some got to the pump(s) only to find that the station was then out of gas...woooooo

People nit being able to get home would have been a real bummer, especially with childern with them.

It is a wonder that Martial Law wasn't declared in you area? I would have worried about looting the like! :cry:

I know God will repay those who were so kind to you as to help you with 'X-Mas gifts, etc..

I guess about the baby boom that occurred, sounds like a lot of rock and roll was going on after the storm in your area ! :)

People unable to get their medicines due to long term effects of a storm, is something a lot of people have not had to deal with or maybe even think about.

People using Suboxone for want reason prescribed may have this happen to them if not already!

From hearing your experience, even if one had the cash to go to the doctor and pharmacy would be of no use if the roads to get there were closed. If this occurred at a bad time, like when one's doctor appointment was within that time frame, they could have some issues about doing without, not just Suboxone, but for other life saving meds that they are taking. Really makes me think after reading your story...what a nightmare that was/could be ! I am sure that is why some people buy gold I guess, for exchange during such and event.

I have watched the show "dooms day preppers", where people are building shelters and hoarding trade goods and food, eater, etc...in the event of a crisis, some of them are certain that the end of the world as we know it, is near even !

I personally think that man doesn't know when the world will end or when a drastic even ill occur, and that only one above us knows about that.

Thanks for sharing your experience with me and other readers of this thread.

I am thankful that I was able to have enough of my Suboxone to get by the strom here, it sure is helping me!

I probably have a bunch of typos ans spelling errors, but hope you all get the meaning of my reply to amber...and other who may read this thread.

Sincerely,

bxr


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:41 pm 
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Here is a link from a nes station that details how a hospital and the things they had to do during the aftermath of the storm (Sandy) this last week.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/19 ... s-evacuate

I hope Suboxone is working for everyone and that I wanted to let you all know that I am researching more into the new uses for Suboxone in regards to chronic pain.

One of the things I do not understand very well is for people who have insutance or not, is the lab testing cost for their analysis for Suboxone.

I have read that some insurance companies are not paying for these analysis !

I started a thread about compliance while taking Suboxone, there I have posted a few links on the way one lab has figured out how to run the "cost of their analysis up sky high".

I am concerned that some people may not be able to get the help they need from Suboxone if the cost of the mediciane does not go down and lab test keep going up?

Has anyone had to pay higher than expected amounts for lab analysis while taking Suboxone? I sure would like to hear your stories!

Sincerely,

bxr


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