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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:09 pm 
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I have a son who is 22 years old and is battling using pills. He wants to try to get off of them. He has stolen money from family to support his habit. He said he doesn't use them often but I think he is lying to me. With the money that he is going through, I think differently. He doesnt think he has a bad problem and has told me he can beat his addition. However, he has not be able to do this on his own. He mentioned suboxone to me today. I don't know that much about this drug but have been reading alot about it over the last half hour from this forum. I am concerned since I want him to get off these pills that he is taking. I feel like he wants to take suboxone to keep the "buzz" on. Can someone explain this suboxone to me. Is this long term or short term use? Can you become "addicted" to suboxone as you would taking pills? I have an appointment with a dr that i found in our area that is a pain management center that uses suboxone. I have never used drugs and do not understand them. I just want my son back to his old self.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:30 pm 
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I feel terrible about your situation but it sounds so familar to me. Unfortunately, I'm the son. To be brutally honest with you, your son has an addiction and is abusing pills (or worse). Only when you enter addiction would you begin to steal money, etc. I think suboxone is his bes bet, I just began my program 2 weeks ago, and it's crazy how fast you feel like your old self again. However, I know many people in similar situations that have failed, because they weren't ready. He needs to understand what's at stake. Just know, addiction can make you do some crazy things, and I feel so much guilt and remorse for the things i've done and people I've hurt. Try to get him to be honest with you, because right now he is in denial about his addiction. I couldn't be honest with my mom until she flipped on me and wouldn't accept any answer othat than that I was using, I guess thats what I needed.

To summarize: continue on the suboxone route, but just know it's not a cure all, he should be involved in therapy, etc. and also that if he truly isn't ready to stop, he will continue to use (and probably sell his subs to do so). I don't mean to scare you, just some honest feedback in someone that battled/is battling a similar situation.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:54 pm 
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If he is truely addicted to opiates,
suboxone will NOT give him a 'buzz"
but should only make him feel normal, like being able to get outta bed without opiates normal, like he was before he had the addiction.

go to NAABT.org
theres alota information for family members there, that explains how suboxone is NOT trading one drug for another

hope that helps, and I wish you and your son the best.
I really hope he gets the help he needs before its too late. I didnt get help until my grandma really put forth a huge effort to help me. I was addicted for over ten years......not a day went by that I didnt get opiates.......but now Ive been on suboxone 8 months, and no f--k ups at all.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:49 pm 
To the OP (mom):

Suboxone is a useful tool that aids in beating an addiction. It makes you feel normal without pills/dope, but it IS addictive in the sense that you cannot suddenly discontinue it without getting sick. When it is time to discontinue Suboxone, a long taper is necessary. This is true for Suboxone maintenance. However, if your son's aim is to use it only to detox, it is only used for 5-10 days.

Suboxone is what worked for me..if you let your son use Suboxone, you CANNOT change your mind suddenly and demand he stop taking it or demand he stop taking it within your time frame. I only say this because I've seen it so many times.

Also, I would only go to the pain management place for Sub if that's the only place in town. NAABT should have a list of providers that can better address the addiction aspect of the treatment.


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Thanks to you that have replied. I left out some other details. He attends a regular one hour therapy session with a psychologist once a week for the past couple of months. He says that helps. When he mentioned to me about suboxone, that was new to me. He said he was feeling jittery. He was able to get one of the suboxone films from someone. My immediate thought was "is this another drug." I immediately went on the internet and began searching and found this forum and a dr that works with suboxone treatment. I called and he has an appointment on Tuesday morning. After reading some of the posts in the forums, it seems like some people have to stay in suboxone for "years". I feel like that is another form of addition. Am I wrong? I know that he cant stop on his own even though he says it can. If he could, he would have quit by now. I am a very supportive parent and just want him to get his act together. I always have my guard up since I am never sure what is around the corner. I am not sure what to believe. He says that he takes pericot 30 mgs here and there, since I have never used drugs, I am not sure how addicted he is. I dont think he knows. I am not sure how many he is taking or how often. I really dont know that signs to look for to see if he is having a withdrawal from these pills.

I have heard some horror stories of people being on suboxone and still "popping" pills. Do you still have urges to "pop pills" when using suboxone?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:08 am 
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:idea: Recovery Helpdesk is a place to learn about opiate addiction and recovery. Opiates include heroin and pain killers like OxyContin.
http://www.recoveryhelpdesk.com/suboxone/

The above Link is a really educating tool for looking into all these treatment modalities for opiate abuse at least as far as medication assisted treatments. THIS 50 YEAR OLD SITTING HERE SURE WISHES I WOULD HAVE TRIED MEDICATION ASSISTED TREAMENT (MAT) before now. In saying that I have in the end of 30 years of maybe all together added months/years of sobriety totaling about 9 years, chosen Methadone. But 22 years old not a lot of other measures tried like abstinence or inpatient and yes even suboxone all are better choices if you have not tried them all and have failed like I have. I have tried them all many times before two years ago I finally got on methadone. I am not putting down methadone....AS IT HAS SAVED MY BUTT BETTER THAN ANY OF THE ABOVE before I believe you should always try the lesser of the evils (for the lack of a better way to say it) Methadone has a much longer dependency rate and taper/detox for anyone ever wanting to try abstinence in the end and I think I hear that is what you would ultimately like to see for your son down the road. I HAVE MADE UP MY MIND THAT I MAY FOREVER BE ON METHADONE BECAUSE I HAVE NO SUCCESS WITH ABSTINENCE FROM ALL DRUG ABUSE. I am a forever relapser. I am almost fifty years old. I don't think I have many more relapses left to make. I am broken. I have broke a lot of relationships forever and I have now (despite all the betrayals, lies and disappointments) a special few that have hung on with me and I know I will lose those if anymore attempts in drug use. My Mother and one friend being the only full 30 year long timers that still come around. Of course sometimes Methadone can move to the top of the list because of circumstances like possibly financially it is more cost effective or like me I was told by a bupe doctor that suboxone was not ideal for me due to subutex (ten or longer years ago)not being effective, long term abuse with many inpatient and outpatient failures, street illicit abuse high high tolerance and even now to find that even 200 mgs of methadone not even stabilizing me but due to (qtc prolongation) medical reasons much higher dose could endanger me so we are slowly increasing me on a have to basis only. I forget too there seems there were a couple of other reasons I did not make an ideal candidate for suboxone. When I go if I do ever decide to get off medication assisted treatment I will taper off methadone then go to suboxone and slow taper off that etc... I guess what I am trying to say and going the long way around to say it. I think in my opinion it would be very advantageous for your son to go on Suboxone out of these two modalities of MAT due to his age and drug abuse time and maybe also failures in trying it on his own (apparently you have tried that before and he lies about using etc...) Good luck check out that website I linked above too very informational. :P

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:00 am 
If he is taking Roxi 30s ("perc 30s") he's probably got a habit.


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Hi and welcome, you have gotten some great info from our members. I strongly suggest watching Dr. Junig's videos on YouTube. Dr. Junig runs this site and is an addiction specialist. He is a big advocate of Suboxone therapy and has a vast knowledge of sub. He has a short video series that will answer all of your questions and more. They are each a few minutes long and will be well worth your time. Below is a link to one of his videos.

After you watch these please come back with any questions you may have.


http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri= ... Ls1F6vNhYw


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