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 Post subject: Suboxone Taper
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:36 am 
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I started heavy into pills 2-3 yrs ago but have always enjoyed them recreationally. Popping tabs, percs were my fave .. Snorting them was when it got heavy. And I would spend loads of money at a time anytime I could. Ending on perc 30's, I could easy do 8 a day , to be honest I lost count. What mattered was that I always had at least 5 on hand--- and they are not cheap.... Anywho. Had to get off. Met someone introduced me to subs and I been taking them now for a year... Yes I'm addicted. Yes I always want more, and yes I know I need to get my control back.. To live sober scares the crud out of me. But so does living like this for always. Or waking up one day and they aren't available to me and I go in crazy detox. Sub detox is worst ever- I tried before. And that's why I am now doing this taper.....


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 Post subject: Re: Suboxone Taper
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:06 pm 
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Welcome to the forum Mina! How is your taper going? You probably don't want my opinion on this but I'm giving it to you anyway.

Why don't you just do it the right way and go see a Suboxone doctor? When calling, ask if they are an addiction specialist just to see if you can find one that will guide you through the process of opiate replacement therapy. Tapering is the last thing you should be doing right now. Why suffer needlessly when in the end you will be right back onto your drug of choice or back on Suboxone? You need to deal with your addiction problem first!

So you got my 2ยข whether you liked it or not. We don't want you to die or suffer anymore. Do the right thing girl.

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 Post subject: Re: Suboxone Taper
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:24 pm 
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It is smart to taper before coming off sub, but I'm not sure it's going to work. I know that sounds discouraging, but hear me out.

It doesn't sound like you've had any period of stability since you started obtaining sub on the streets. So why do you think it's going to be different when you taper off sub? Most suboxone patients use their time on sub to clean up their act. Many of us start seeing a counselor or go to meetings. We start rebuilding the relationships we have harmed. We get a job or start saving money. My question for you is, have you done any of those things while you've been on sub? Have you especially done work on your recovery? If the answer is no/nothing then you should give yourself time on a steady dose of sub to do these things. If you don't, your chances of not relapsing again quickly are very slim.

I'm not routing against you. I am advocating for you to find a sub doctor, get on a stable dose, and rebuild your life and recovery before you taper off. Otherwise the likelihood is that you will remain in a cycle of relapse and short term sub use.

I want your life to be better. If you're not ready to listen to my advice right now that's OK. But please keep it in the back of your mind for if you need it later.

I wish you the best!

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 Post subject: Re: Suboxone Taper
PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:45 am 
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Maybe I wasn't very clear about how well I have done since I started subs... I have no desire for pills. I have desire for energy and being able to tackle each day without having a crutch. Subs have become that... From studying all the forums and comments from others with same experience, seems like most people are prescribed very high doses from the jump... Whether I see a doc or not, in my mind is irrelevant... I just want to get to a stable place of realizing that the sub is not my only option... I want to be able to wake up in the morning and coffee be my only flavor.. I'm searching for others who are trying to obtain this way of life knowing that if I taper down 25% every 4 days that I will eventually get to the point of natural energy and courage. Does anyone FEEL me? Today is my 4th day of taper, at 4mg, tomorow I go down to 3 mg... It's time to tackle the demon head ON....By me saying I don't have desire to do pills any longer doesn't mean I'm naive to fact that if I was to go into surgery or be faced with narcotics in some fashion, it wouldn't trigger that euphoric place in my head. It will always be there. But I don't have the fight like before of taking myself out and getting what I want just to silence my mind.. I really enjoyed pills, the feeling of superwoman- but my tolerance became so high that it would take so many 30's just to feel neutral- so expensive and so ugly.... At that point I knew it wasn't even worth the money. But subs to me is a total new and different addiction- I'm rambling. Thanks for responses. I'm so open to all comments and like-minded thoughts. Nice to have place to chat about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Suboxone Taper
PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:45 pm 
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Hi Mina! I totally understand where you're coming from! And there are lots of folks in the Stopping Suboxone section who got to the exact same point as where you are now. They have no desire to get high and they're just tired of the whole game. They want off yesterday!! There are many inspirational stories to read and I hope that helps you on your way.

You are your own individual person and I can not know for sure that you will not beat this addiction here and now. The cautions and warnings I give you are not coming from a defeatist attitude, but from learning from the experience of others. Your brain has been changed by addiction and once you are off sub you will have the tendency to relapse. (I'm talking about the actual statistics.) I'm advocating that you do some things that are proven to help you stay sober.

The major thing I would have you do is to get into some counseling or group therapy. There are things a good addiction therapist will suggest that will help you stay in recovery. There are tools you can utilize to help yourself. The other suggestion I have if you are hell bent on tapering is to keep your taper slow and reasonable. It seems that for most people, a slow taper down as low as possible is the most successful and most easy on your body.

When you make it off sub and after any acute withdrawal symptoms you will probably feel elated and stoked! Music will sound better and emotions will be sharper and you will love it! Just be aware that the elation will eventually wear off and that is when you will need support of people who understand, and that is when your recovery tools will be really necessary.

I know you feel like you never want to take any drug ever again right now. There is a very good likelihood that you will feel temptation and longing for a good high at some point. Prepare yourself as best you can for that time now, because it will likely take you by surprise and have the potential to knock you on your ass.

Come on, other sub stoppers! Give this gal some pointers and encouragement! I've been the Debbie Downer, the mom, the know-it-all uncle. Mina needs to hear about how it can be done!

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 Post subject: Re: Suboxone Taper
PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:50 pm 
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Hey there mina, I'm certainly in no position to tell you what taper plan is effective, or how I did it, because I'm still on sub and an quite happy, healthy, and stable, and plan on remaining on sub for a long time, if not for life. However, until those who've done it do come along to tell you of their experiences,and give you tips, I wanted to follow Amy's advice and give you some encouragement and wish you the best of luck in your recovery!


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 Post subject: Re: Suboxone Taper
PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:06 am 
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Thanks to both of you for your comments and ideas. Love that! I totally am not numb to fact that after the jump and when the newness of joy from sober life wares off that the urge to feel the thrill won't arrive. This is a life battle. I need to be courageous enough to face it head on and be prepared as you said Amy. To know I'm not alone is major to me. And Lizzie, I agree with opinion and fact that subs could be maintenance for a lifestyle. Yet, with future plans for me to become pregnant and have another child. I have to think of the effect it has on unborn child and thereafter with nursing. So a healthy mom, as I was with my first child, has to be maintained to ensure the best life for my family. If there were no side effects or warning signs against taking sub therapy during pregnancy than I would consider to continue as I have. But I can't be slave to sub, because my own opinion is that I truly want to be able to wake in the morning and not depend on therapy for a joyous day. So difficult for me. But my plan is to arrive at that morning. Free as a bird .


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