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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:24 pm 
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I have been having trouble sleeping and was wondering what I can take with Suboxone that is safe? My shrink prescribed me Ambien CR but it doesn't seem to help. I also take Lamictal for mood, Meclizine for dizziness, and Alegra for allergies. In case any of the meds I have mentioned have not been known to mix, the shrink prescribed me the Lamictal and Meclizine and my Sub doctor prescribes, well, the subs, and the Meclizine and Alegra. Both doctors know what I am currently taking. Anyone hve any ideas?

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I had major sleep issues when I started suboxone and was on a high dose. I also have a long history dealing with insomnia. I take melatonin before I go to bed and I am real careful with my caffeine after 3 or 4 pm. There have been alot of post's on sleep problems. Some have mentioned hot bath's before bed and I know hatmaker raves about meditation or breathing techniques or something like that. It seemed to do wonders for her. Look through some of the old post's and I'm sure you will find lots of remedies. I've also dabbled in yoga and it seemed to help a little. If your like me you will have to try a combination of things, alot of trail and error. IMO the benzo's will give you sleep but not rest, if that makes sense. Good luck and let us know what works for you.

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Hi OOTW -

I'm sorry you're having trouble sleeping. As Smoothy said, I do believe in the merits of meditation, but to be completely honest, I take a sleep aid. (I use the meditation for things like pain and anxiety.) My doctor gives me Trazodone (AKA Desyrel). It's an older, atypical antidepressant (which I also take with my Celexa and Lamictal) that is used pretty regularly these days for sleep. Maybe your doctor can try that. I know of others who use it successfully as well.

Good luck with it! I hope you get some good sleep soon.

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I too had trouble sleeping when I was first prescribed Suboxone, I think it has something to do with the major changes that are taking place inside your brain. I'm not sure about your situation, but I was a very heavy Oxycontin abuser, and the change from that to Suboxone was a big deal, I felt a lot different, and my mind already is very erratic.. I almost NEVER stop thinking, even when Im trying to fall asleep. I still have trouble with it, but I was advised to try Melatonin, and that helped me more than any Tylenol PM or any sort of sleeping pill. All of the other sleeping pills I had tried made my leg muscles twitch non-stop and in the morning my body would ache, I would also feel really odd.. But Melatonin is a natural chemical that occurs in your brain. It works wonderful, I suggest it strongly.. I also think that with time your body will regulate. It takes a couple weeks but eventually taking Suboxone will feel as normal as anything else and it shouldnt effect much. good luck :)


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I asked my doctor about taking Trazadone but he said you can't take it with Lamictal as it can cause big problems...but I generally ask my pharmacist about that stuff cause they seem to know interactions better. And HatMaker is alive to recommend it to me so it can't be all that bad, can it?


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What is your caffeine intake like during the day? How about your evening routine? These aren't quick fixes but it definately helps me to cut out any caffeine or sugar early in the day. I also try to relax in the late evening, I can't be up till midnight watching True Blood or running around doing errands. I have to really unstimulate (if that's even a word) my mind to have any chance at getting to sleep. As Jamesliv said, and I think I mentioned it in my first post, melatonin works very well for me. I know some people it works for and others it doesn't but it's worth a try. I think I take around 15 or 20 mg, which is higher than the recommended dose, before I go to bed and I definately can feel my eye's getting heavy about 1/2 hour after. Don't let it frustrate you, you will find something that works. One more thing, I'm going to try and say this as tastefully as I can, sexual gratification before bed always put me out. It's always better with a partner but doesn't have to be, if you catch my drift. Best of luck.

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Can you take valerian root with your medications? It is a natural supplement and it has worked well for me in the past, but you should probably ask your doctor if there are any known interactions.

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I've been taking Trazodone and Lamictal together for nearly a year and a half. They are both prescribed by my psychiatrist (a specialist in such meds). Like I said, Trazodone is an older atypical antidepressant, while Lamictal is a mood stabilizer. My PCP/Sub doctor is also aware of both (all) of my medications. Additionally, I get my prescriptions at the same pharmacy.

I'm not telling you to disregard what your doctor said. I just wanted to point out that according to two doctors and at least one pharmacist, there are no interactions between the two medications.

I sincerely hope you get some sleep soon!

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I think I take around 15 or 20 mg, which is higher than the recommended dose


Wow, I only take 5 mg and it is more than enough for me. At times I don't fall asleep or sleep to well with 5 mg but I'm always too scared to take any more, how does it make you feel? Just really tired? I notice sometimes when I take a Melatonin before bed and I don't fall asleep within like 2 hours or so I end up staying awake longer and worrying about a bunch of stuff going on.. Do you know if it wears off quickly? Just wondering


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I just looked and my pills are 3 mg and I take 4 before bed. So 12 mg not 15 and I've built up to that after a few years. I've never had any adverse reactions or felt overly sleepy or anything. I think it's just the adict in me, when I have a headache I always take 4 advil instead of 2. It's just my reckless mentality. If 5 works for you, by all means stay with it.

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Yeah, totally. But sometimes it doesn't so it is nice to know that I can take 2 5 mg if needed. I know they make 10 mg so I might get some of those, thanks.


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I do take between 1 and 2 5mg Melatonin pills a night. I take this whether or not I take an Ambien CR. However, I always wake up multiple times a night and come 5 am, I am basically up for the day. But at 5 am my body also feels like it is on fire. Then I take my subs about 6 am and it usually helps to relieve the fire. I have heard that is a side effect of the Lamictal and it goes away with time. But because it is relieved by the subs, I wonder if it is the Lamictal or my body telling me it is time to take my dose of subs?

I called my doctor today for a different sleeping medication and his receptionist called me back and told me that he can't call anything in and I would just have to wait until I saw him on the 18th to get something different. So I will keep taking the Melatonin and the Ambien in hopes that I will get some kind of relief until I see the doctor. I just hope it doesn't affect my work performance. I really can't afford to lose my job as it is hard to pay rent, bills, and child support with dirt!


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I don't know if you are new on Suboxone but when I first started taking it I had a lot of sleep problems. I would wake up fequently through out the night. I almost would feel as if I wasn't all the way asleep. My legs or arm would go up in the air and I would sleep like that for a few hours. I would get up to go to the bathroom and fall asleep walking their. My doctor was having me dose 3 or 4 times a day. I spit my dose into a wake up dose and a noon dose. That helped a lot. Getting into a good sleep routine helps to. Go to bed at the same time every day, wake up same time every day, have it dark in the room, no radio/tv, and no exessive napping through out the day.


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