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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:47 am 
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Just started Suboxone this week, Im at 4 mg a day. My question is will Suboxone give me the ohysical enery and motivation I had pre-opiate addiction? I use to work out daily and do well in school but since becoming an opiate addict my physical energy is no more, I've let myself go, and I don't have the motivation in life that I once had. Can I expect Suboxone to help me get the energy and motivation that I had pre-addiction?


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Hi gamebreaker - Suboxone, for most people (myself included) just makes them feel "normal". Although some people do say they feel some energy on it. Just remember, the idea of suboxone isn't to make people feel like full agonists made them feel, but to allow them to get back to their "normal" lives and start to clean it all up after being in active addiction.

Since you very recently just started sub, you should give yourself some time to stabilize. Some people (most) feel a bit loopy - not quite high - the first few/several days of sub treatment, but that will subside.

I hope this helps a little bit. Keep us posted on how you're feeling.

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Hi gamebreaker - Suboxone, for most people (myself included) just makes them feel "normal". Although some people do say they feel some energy on it. Just remember, the idea of suboxone isn't to make people feel like full agonists made them feel, but to allow them to get back to their "normal" lives and start to clean it all up after being in active addiction.

Since you very recently just started sub, you should give yourself some time to stabilize. Some people (most) feel a bit loopy - not quite high - the first few/several days of sub treatment, but that will subside.

I hope this helps a little bit. Keep us posted on how you're feeling.


I know what your saying but that is exactly what I want is to feel normal. I guress when your high 24/7 you don't care about more important things, just the drugs, at least that was in my case. If I felt "normal" because of suboxone and became the type of person I was pre-addiction I would seriously consider becoming a Christian because that's all I want now, is to feel like my old self pre-addiction or normal.


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I hear what you're saying, but unfortunately, it's not really possible to go back to our pre-addiction selves. Once an addict, always an addict. It's like a switch was thrown in our brains. For me, since I've been on sub (26 months), I actually have a "new" self. A BETTER self than I was pre-addiction. Plus having gone through active addiction, we've gone through so much that we simply can't go backwards. It's like rewinding life back to where we used to be before we did some growing. I hope this makes some sense. First things first, please give yourself some time to adjust. Also, besides suboxone, are you doing anything to help with your recovery? Like learning new coping skills? How to handle triggers - they most definitely will come up. Many people add therapy with a psychologist or an addiction specialist to help them learn to live life on "life's terms", as they say. I hope this helps a bit more.

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hatmaker510 wrote:
I hear what you're saying, but unfortunately, it's not really possible to go back to our pre-addiction selves. Once an addict, always an addict. It's like a switch was thrown in our brains. For me, since I've been on sub (26 months), I actually have a "new" self. A BETTER self than I was pre-addiction. Plus having gone through active addiction, we've gone through so much that we simply can't go backwards. It's like rewinding life back to where we used to be before we did some growing. I hope this makes some sense. First things first, please give yourself some time to adjust. Also, besides suboxone, are you doing anything to help with your recovery? Like learning new coping skills? How to handle triggers - they most definitely will come up. Many people add therapy with a psychologist or an addiction specialist to help them learn to live life on "life's terms", as they say. I hope this helps a bit more.


I'm not doing anything other than Suboxone. I've tried AA and NA before and it isn't really for me. In all reality getting into a routine and getting motivation and interests into my former hobbies is what will make me stay clean. I understand that I'm ultimately a different person now than who I was pre-addiction but I all I want is the energy, motivation, and zest I had for everyday life that I had pre-addiction. Girls don't even interest me like they should, the only thing that does interest me is dope and laying around being high on dope. I just want to feel "alive" again.


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Gamebreaker - I think for most people sub makes them feel normal which means you are going to have to get yourself up off the couch and make yourself get back into activities that you used to find enjoyable. That isn't always easy to do because it has been so long.

If you plan to stay on suboxone long term, I agree that you probably don't need AA or NA. But I think everyone benefits from a therapist when they are on suboxone. This site is important for many of us.

The thing is, if suboxone does what it is supposed to, then you will feel "normal". Your normal involved not feeling good enough to stay away from opiates. Your normal had a hole somewhere and that needs to be explored and filled somehow or you will not be satisfied with your suboxone treatment and you will have cravings potentially and want to use. I don't recommend a drug and alcohol counselor but rather a therapist. Most people who became addicted also have a tendency toward anxiety. You are going to need to find a way to manage that if you are one of those people.

If you plan to go off suboxone any time soon, then you REALLY need to consider getting some other type of recovery program going at the same time as your suboxone treatment. Statistically, if you don't, you will relapse.

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that's kind an ironic post for me to read. when i would get high, i always had more energy. i would get high and clean the house, or do yardwork. in fact, it got to the point where i felt like i couldn't do anything unless i was high. not even shower. with the subs, i feel pretty good. pretty "normal". i'm able to get things done, and not have to rely on pills to give me "motivation". i think you will feel good and get some energy back, if for no other reason, because it is such a good, freeing feeling be off drugs.


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this was one of my greatest concerns. When i first started doing pills i had energy and loved being up and about doing anything and everything. the last year in active addiction i was miserable and anxious , i wouldnt leave the house without a large amount of pills and i never wanted to workout which was very rare for me. Anyways, I got on subs a year ago and i have the energy to workout (i have to take some vitamins to workout the way i want to) but i also have the motivation to school work and all that. sadly, there are times when i procrastinate and i do just that.....but i eventually talk myself into doign my school work. Its not like i snort a line of oxy and im ready to go and tackle the word or whatever, its real life and in real life everyone goes through phases where they dont want to do anything or they are sad and suboxone gives you an opportunity to change your life while workign through real feelings.


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gamebreaker,

I see where you say you just started Suboxone this week. I'm assuming you had a decent opiate addiction before you started sub and my thoughts on your question are this, it will take some time for your mind and body to adjust to not having the full agonist opiates in you. I know when I started suboxone, I didn't immediately return to who I wanted to be, but through a lot of work with an addicition counselor I was able to get close. No, I never was able to return completely to my pre-addiction self, but I got far enough down the road to be happy with myself again.

My only other concern would be your relatively low dose. You are right in and around the ceiling for suboxone, you might be under, you might be over.....it's extremely difficult to tell. You may find it beneficial to try 6mg if the 4mg dose isn't doing what you need it to do.

Be patient man, your mind and body have a lot of work to do. It may take a few weeks before you really start to feel better, it may be a few months. Everyone is just so different and Suboxone doesn't treat everybody the same way.


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You are at a fairly low dose. So I would agree that if you have no energy, you may want to try a bit higher dose and see what happens. 4mg is a teetering point where it may not be quite enough and I have heard other people indicate they did not have energy on 4mg and were somewhat depressed. If you feel fatigued, it probably isn't enough.

If you don't let it absorb longer than 10 minutes or so when you take it, read up on the How do you take your suboxone thread and check into some of the tips there. If you do that and feel better that day, it could be a dosage issue.

I don't think you should wait months to feel better. If you don't feel "normal" and don't want to get out of bed in the morning or if you are dragging yourself through the day, that isn't good. Tell your doctor how you are feeling ASAP. Let him/her help you with this.

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