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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:31 pm 
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I have been on 12 mg of sub for about 6 week and have been nauseous and lethargic since the start. I can't take it anymore and want to taper off. My clinic will not support any of their clients tapering before the one year mark, so I feel like I have to do this on my own. A few days ago, I dropped to 10 mg to start the taper. I was so sick that I couldn't make through the day. I had to go back to 12. I just want this poison out of my body. My questions are: why is it making me sick, and are there any ideas for a good taper schedule. I don't mind if it takes a long time. Thank you.


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Hey welcome to the forum here. Your not the only one who feels cruddy from sub. I to know exactly what your feeling. (at least some of it) Either way give this a try. one day take 12mg one day take 10mg do that for a for 4-5 days then stay at the lower dose.

I don't think this approach is going to be helpful to you. But you could just try dropping 2mgs on your dose and wait 4-7 days. Then drop another 2mg. Repeat. Maybe take a little longer if you need to. The key here is to drop a dose. Tough it out while your body adjusts. Then proceed to drop and repeat. I recently dropped from 12mg where i was started to 8mg. But i stopped completely taking my subs for 6 days. Then i reinducted myself to 8mg where i am at currently. I felt sick as hell during this drop right at the 48 hour mark. Pretty miserable. But once i popped that 8mg sub i actually got a buzz from it. Not cool. I don't want the nasty sub buzz. But hey i am currently on 8mg and im going to try dropping to 4mg here in a couple days and stay there for awhile.

Good luck and tell me if any of those sound like they maybe worth a try?


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Same here when i was taking my suboxone within the first couple months i would get up in the a.m and throw up everyday I thought I was pregnant!!!! My sub dr swore up and down it wasnt the subs so i kept taking them for 3 yrs and I have to b honest 3 things helped and I know I am gonna get yelled at....lol sorry Romeo....I would smoke weed, take a occasional xanax or u can try benedryl or dramamine all of those worked for me i didnt take them all at once just tryed diff things becuz i literally would vomit and be nausated every single morning I would actually get on these little kicks where i couldnt stop vomiting and id have to go to the ER but i was dumb I never told them I was on suboxone I was afraid to tell them for some reason!!!!

Please read thru all of this info on this forum if u have enough meds to do a taper thats what i suggest it worked 4 me there are sum great threads on how to do a taper.....also some great advice.....I hope u have a good sub dr that makes a difference.

You have to remember to that there is really no way of getting around the w/drawl portion of the program if u taper low enough ur effects will b minimual if u jump from a high dose ur gonna be super sick more then likely i basically tapered down to the smallest piece of a sub flim that u can cut today is 30days with no meds honestly i feel like crap today i feel good about the sobriety part but i just dont feel good BUT thats just part of it no reg. person feels great everyday thats what i keep telling myself.....my point is u will not always feel good and the first couple wks off of the subs mayb hard BUT u can do it......Good luck let us know how u are please!!!!!

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LOL Jeaner (aka--JEANSTRONG!!), I'm not gonna yell at you for suggesting weed. I'm not an NA nazi, not even close. I'm a big fan of people doing what they need to work their recovery.

This whole business of avoiding any and all mood altering substances is actually kinda funny to me because I've noticed a lot of the people who say that are drinking a coffee (caffeine) or smoking a cigarette (nicotine)....both mood altering substances. Heck, chocolate changes people's mood.

I don't smoke weed anymore because I know I'd lose control of it very quickly, but just because I can't smoke weed responsibly doesn't mean other people can't do it. KWIM?

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It's not even about being an NA Nazi. It's about being a drug addict. I've seen many many people try the marijuana maintenance plan and they lose control. Suboxone is controlled by amount and dosage. I guess you are right about some people maybe being able to handle it....I'm just really tired of people saying that relapse rates are wrong.... only because the just count opjates as a relapse. If you are on Suboxone.... then anything other than Suboxone is a relapse. And if you are using other drugs all the time to get by.... then don't blame Suboxone for feeling like shit. Just saying.


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It's not even about being an NA Nazi. It's about being a drug addict. I've seen many many people try the marijuana maintenance plan and they lose control. Suboxone is controlled by amount and dosage. I guess you are right about some people maybe being able to handle it....I'm just really tired of people saying that relapse rates are wrong.... only because the just count opjates as a relapse. If you are on Suboxone.... then anything other than Suboxone is a relapse. And if you are using other drugs all the time to get by.... then don't blame Suboxone for feeling like shit. Just saying.



They aren't waking up vomiting, losing their teeth, feeling emotionless, feeling depressed, losing sex drive, they aren't withdrawling if they don't have any weed to smoke.

I'm really tired of reading your opinion of relapse rates. If you're on an opiate, an OPIATE is a relapse. This isn't NA. This isn't AA. There are plently of forums where you can go scream at people that their time clean has reset because they had a mixed drink.

I viewed suboxone making me feel like shit, because it was suboxone making me feel like shit.

If you read what Jeaner posted, she tried other drugs mixed with suboxone, because suboxone was making her feel like straight shit.

Just like 90% of the people in this forum trying to stop.


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I def dont think me smoking a litttle weed to get past w/drawl a relapse.....I have been actual opiate free 3 yrs no pain pills no methadone I know that some NA people would say if ur on suboxone ur not clean well thats a matter of opioion

I did all those combination of things due to the suboxone making me ill I know it was the subs I dont get up every morning now nausauated or vomiting

Thanks Romeo and WTBF for ur continued support and advice that is why i come here becuz u guys are straight forward no crap and I like that!!!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:33 pm 
Thank u want to be free. This moviemaker guy pisses me off to no end. To pop suboxone everyday and tell people smoking pot is relapsing. Not only would n.a should u for taking sub. But to put it in the same area as opiods. Your like a new age n.a. Nazi were anything but sub is relapse. Cough hypocrite cough. U are obvious high on subs. Whatever I'm pretty sure he is a troll sitting in his moms basement trying to provoke people on the internet.


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Well. Using for three months.... you probably aren't an addict. You have no idea what I'm talking about because you have yet to even experience true addiction to opiates. Addiction is a disease. You can't just forget about it. And you can't just be special. So. If in fact you were an addict and look at this in a mature unbiased manner... you would understand. But. Good luck.


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There are some people who are sensitive to medications and suboxone is a strong medication. I have a friend who gets sick on anything (anti-depressants, non-narcotic pain medications, blood pressure meds, etc.) unless she starts slow and then builds up to a working dose.

Mmolinde, being nauseous all the time is super annoying and I can see why you're asking for help. When I was withdrawing from my drug of choice before my sub induction I was given an anti-nausea prescription from my doctor for Hyoscyamine. It could be that an anti-nausea medication may help you, so ask your prescribing doctor.

If, like a few people on this forum, the medication turns out to be worse for you than the disease, tapering may be your best course. It seems really strange and atypical that dropping from 12 mg to 10 mg would make you so sick within a 24 hour period. Because sub has such a long half-life, a decrease in dose usually wouldn't be felt until day 3 or 4 of the new dose. Perhaps you're so sensitive to this medication that even slight fluctuations feel terrible?

My recommendation for a taper schedule is to drop by 1 or 2 mg every couple of weeks until you get down to about 6 mg/day. Then start dropping by .5 - 1.0 mg every couple of weeks, or until you feel stabilized at the new dose. If, at any point, you feel like you're at a dose that is controlling your cravings while not causing bad side effects, just stay at that dose. If you still feel terrible on the sub keep tapering. You may have to go slower in your taper as you get down to a lower amount.

One potential problem for you to consider is that you may need another form of addiction treatment when/if you are completely off sub. I assume you started on sub for a reason. You might consider developing a different plan to fight your addiction.

Good luck and keep us posted!

Amy

P.S. Don't be alarmed by the bickering on your thread. A spirited argument seems to have spilled over onto your thread. ;)

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I'm really confused because the suboxone/methodone clinic that is prescribing for me swears that tapering off subs, if done right, is a piece of cake. They gave me a taper schedule. Everything I read in these forums suggest otherwise, and what I'm feeling proves otherwise. I had a consultation with the top sub doc in my area ( a very respected addiction specialist). He also told me that if done slowly, there is no discomfort. Are there doctors lying? I stopped trying to taper after my last post because I got freaked out by the sickness. I think i'm ready to give it another try. I've done a lot of drugs in my life. Suboxone is the most complicated by far. Last January, I abruptly stopped taking the oxycodone that I'd been on for a year. It wasn't helping my condition (periodic leg movement disorder). I wasn't expecting problems, but I plunged into wicked withdrawals. I asked my insurance carrier for help.They sent me to a sub clinic. I told the people at the clinic that I wanted a quick taper, but they wouldn't hear of it. They said that all of their clients were expected to be on sub for at least a year. I didn't know anything about the drug, so i just went along with them. After I started reading the horror stories in this forum, I begged them to give me a taper schedule. I didn't want to be on it any longer than I had too. Plus it was making me feel sick. Finally after being on it for 2 months, they agreed to tell me how to taper. That's where I am now. I don't feel sick on it anymore, at least most of the time I feel ok. But, when I drop from 12 to 10, I feel like I have the flu. How is everyone else doing on their adventure. Does anyone else have experience with periodic leg movement? It is related to restless leg.


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I'm glad you're no longer sick on a daily basis from the sub. It doesn't make any sense to me that dropping from 12 to 10 mg makes you sick within 24 hours. I have never heard of that happening. If you feel discomfort from dropping to 10 mg it shouldn't start until day 3 at the earliest. But if that's what you're experiencing then you should trying tapering more slowly. It's taken me about a year to taper from 16 mg to 2 mg and I haven't had any major problems with tapering. What your doctor said about tapering is correct for a lot of people, but maybe your case is an anomaly.

RLS is a common side effect of withdrawal. If you are prone to it, or something similar, you can expect that you will experience it somewhat as you taper.

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