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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:38 am 
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I have been on sub for a month and have gotten the methadone out of my system andgone from 4 down to 2 mgs and now am going down on the sub to 1 mg and thanking down every 4 .just anxious and worried about getting off the sub and if I can detox that quickly from 2mg since it has been almost a month I have been taking everyday. My max dose was 4 mg a day for a week than 3mg for a week than 2.5 than 2 now my doctor wants me togot 1 mg starting tomorrow and string cutting the 2mg films and making them last 3-4 days until I am done....I am very anxious and scared....is my fear unfounded I keep reading everything and just am afraid and scared.

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[font=Comic Sans MS]Hi there and welcome to the forum. I don't have any experience in tapering but what I wanted to say to you is this....If you are not ready to taper again, then don't. I would talk to your doctor asap and let him know this. The most important thing is you staying clean....obviously. And if you think that this is too fast, then you need to let that be known. I personally think that you should be ok going down to .5mg. As long as you get stable there before you try and taper some more. I definitely wouldn't go any lower than that if it were me. I remember reading a lot of other peoples taper stories and they didnt' seem to make quite that high of a jump once they got down below 2mg. They did take it a little slower. However these stories that I have read, those people have also been on it for a lot longer time than you. Like years.

What is your own goal? Not your doctors. Yours. Is this what you wanted, was a quick taper? Are you and your doctor on the same page? Try to make sure that you two are on the same page. If he is insistent on making you go lower than you are comfortable with, I would find another doctor as soon as you can.

There are a ton of sucess stories in the "stopping suboxone" and "bupe in the rearview mirror" sections. If you haven't already read those, maybe you should take a look at a few of them and see if you can get anything out of their experiences. Look for Diary of a Quitters, and Laddertippers especially. They both have alot of knowledge on this subject.

Good luck to you, and I hope that it all works out for the best for you!!!!!! And again, Welcome to the forum!!!!![/font]

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:59 am 
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I was on methadone for 7 years and have used sub for the past month after getting my methadone dose so low. I'm just really scared. I know I need to be strong but I am afraid of switching one addiction for another. I think I feel like I'm not really stable on the sub and now to get me off the sub when that is what has been keeping me going. I keep having weird dreams etc. but I am just really confused and scared. I will take a.look at some more stories. I just don't want to make myself excuses anymore but at the same time I know after being on opiates for pain. And 4 surgeries on my knee etc for a decade...that I am making a drastic change and I honestly don't trust myself.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:48 am 
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It looks like people have had success with it but after being on methadone or 8 years until exactly one month ago tomorrow I dunno if I am oing this way too fast...anyone else have any advice? Sorry I know I am brand new,I will tell anythingbinwould I left anything out I'm just scared and afraid.


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there are many differences between methadone and suboxone.
you dont need dosage increases, after time like with methadone. and the naloxone in suboxone works as a blocker to opiate effects, like if you WERE to take an opiate.
many people actually 'maintain' on a low dose for years, with minimal issues.

BUT, I understand wanting to be off it, and not being dependant on something. I just dont think its 'trading one addiction for another'
suboxone has never made me high, or warm and fuzzy, thats for sure. but, we're all different.

There have been many , many people that sign up here and post for awhile, about doing a quick taper after only a month or two on suboxone. you know, with good reasons for not wanting to stay on it, ONLY to come back within weeks or months with a horrible relapse story.
Please, please make sure that you have some kind of plan in place for how your gonna handle cravings, pain, or any other issues.
Obviously you were on the methadone awhile, and you may have some longer lasting effects of mild withdrawl symptoms for months to come. Do you know how you will handle that????

There really shouldn't be this 'stigma' surronding suboxone, but there is. you shouldn't feel bad for taking ahold of your life and being on replacement therapy.

well, I hope I helped.
I know I dont have the answers you want,,,,,,, but please make sure you DO have a plan for 'after suboxone' if that is in fact what you are going to do.
Ive been on it 17 months, and if I were to go off it right now, I can honestly say it probably wouldnt even be a week before I was back chasing a high.

Good Luck with whatever you decide. and we are always here for you, no matter what happens.
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Thanks forthw reply. I am scared but I know I want to live life obliges terms....especially after being on methadone for so long and just learn some better coping strategies I need to try and I appreciate your concern and reply thank u so much or replying.

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Scorpiotl wrote:
Thanks forthw reply. I am scared but I know I want to live life obliges terms....especially after being on methadone for so long and just learn some better coping strategies I need to try and I appreciate your concern and reply thank u so much or replying.

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[font=Comic Sans MS]Ok, that's fair enough, how about this? How do you feel about staying on a low dose for a while? The reason I ask is this...
After being an addict for many years, I was thrilled when I had the opportunity to begin replacement therapy with suboxone. My ravings were lifted, and I no longer had to deal with the lifestyle that goes with being a pill addict. What I wasn't ready for, was all of the work that it takes to get those healthy coping mechanisms in place again.

For so long, we train our brains to take a pill for everything. Pain, happy, sad, stressed, anger, joy, grieving, etc... I remember the first wave of emotions that hit me shortly after beginning treatment. I was mourning the loss of my daughters for the first time sober. Wow, it was intense to say the least. While I didn't have a craving to use, I still had no idea what so ever, how to handle it. I was running in circles. I was fortunate enough to have a moderator on here (hatmaker) pull me into the chat room and talk me through it. IF she hadn't have done that, I still don't know how I would have made it through. I didnt' have anyclue how to react to emotions without pills.

I see a therapist, though noone knew that til just now, LOL, and I see an addiction specialist. I work on ways to handle my emotions without using. This is taking a lot of work. You have to practice it. It isn't easy at all. But the more often I do it, the more natural it feels. I was never OK with just "feeling" things. With just being in the moment, having the feeling, and letting it pass. All the while reminding myself that it will pass. But it is doable.

I know that this is going to take a good year or so until it just becomes second nature to me. Maybe you could look into seeing a therapist to help you along with this. I agree with Amber that you have to have a plan in place. Without one, all of your fears will eventually become a reality. You have every right to be afraid, so am I. That is why I choose long term maintenance as my treatment course. Like Amber, I'd be chasing a high within a week, at this point. With a lot of work, and a little luck, one day I will be fine on my own. But until then, I have too much to lose to not lean on sub as a crutch. When I am capable of walking on my own again, then we can look at getting rid of the crutch.

I hope that this made sense to you. Good Luck in whatever you decide to do...[/font]

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I cant my pyschiatrist was going to kick me off xanax which i have been on for over a decade if i didnt get off the methadone so i did and now i am trying to kick the suboxone. but not having much luck i am down to 1mg or so a day the past few days and i have been sick and ill and feel like my anxiety is through the roof. my pain dr will not prescribe me any more sub i have some saved up but i need to get off asap and i have to go back to the psychioatrist here in a week 2 and i was on methadone for pain for 7 years so i have done the maintenance route....i need off and i need to figurte out how to do it. i am sorry to ramble i just went to the dr with my wife and she had oral surgery so i have been caring for her and i am just barely hanging on


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:04 pm 
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but I am afraid of the horror stories i have read about getting off of the sub. sorry i missed all of your post earlier but i really feel like i dont have a choice.

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I plan on staying on Subs for a few more week and than I need to jump I have read all ths trories about people having trouble getting off after being on for months or years....what am i realsitically loooking at at jumping aftert being on since sugust 20th...that is over a month....nut i screwed up in there and took some vicodin for 4 days so i relapsed....i am so angry at myself and i just want off the ride but i need to face the music now sorry to ramble i am not good at this but will answer any questions posed to help answer the question


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I did slip maybe I need a low dose for a bit.....I'm just concerned......I just don't want to keep making mistakes...I have a drs appt but I don't know what to say I will take some notes.


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Im getting off Sub any suggestions i keep reading the posts for ideas. I have some Clonidin patches .1mg i think i have 2 weeks worth of patches. i have been on since august 20th. I am off from school for a month. I was having cravings so bad that i went up to 4mgs a day for about a month and than cut back to 2 mgs a day about 3 weeks ago. I have been cutting back to 1.5mgs a day the past 3-4 days... the anxiet and worry is really getting to me. I have been trying to cut back on my Xanax intake at the same time. that is probably compounding the issue. I need to get off the sub first and than deal with the xanax i have been on xanax for over a decade. So it doesnt help as much with withdrawal as i am dependent on it as well. i am really scared and worried. I just want my life back after getting off methadone and other pain pills the suboxone has made me see that i want my life back and i am feel more and am coming out of my shell. i am no longer afraid of pain medication and have been able to control my knee pain and arthritis and my sciatica without methadone or hydrocodone. I just have so much guilt I feel like I wasted 8 years of my life that I was on all of these intense pain meds that I got from my Dr. It was my fault I should have done something sooner but I didnt and here I am and Sub showed me there was another way....But no it is time for me to get off the sub once and for all.

Sorry to rant I am really concerned about what I am going to be in for but I have to be better by the time spring semester starts 3 week of january.

Any thoughts would help alot
Thx for listening

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