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Hi my name is Kassy!

I have had a addiction to pain pills for the last 4 years, currently i up to 120 mg of oxy a day OR about 40mg of methadone a day depending on what i can get. This addiction is no longer fun for me it is exhausting, expensive and depressing! I have to obviously take it to be healthy like everyone else! so ready for a new life! So a friend that i know that is on the methadone clinic mentioned suboxone. I ran to my computer googled it looked up dr in my area.... called and they said i needed a letter from my regular physician stating that yes she has this problem ect so i did all the steps i needed to, went yesterday to my sub dr and he said not to take anymore methadone obviously cause it takes longer to leave your body, and dont take anything after sunday night so i can start the horrible beginnings of the withdrawals all day mon-mon night, and then i am suppose to go in for my induction tuesday at 9:45 am.... IM SCARED!!! i have read this forum of all the success stories... i pray that it is me someday!!! so please fill me in on what to expect. tuesday after my 2 doses at the dr will i really feel better?? is life gonna be fine on sub no craving no more pills :))))))) i cant imagine....
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Hi Kassy,

Welcome to the forum!

The only experience I have with people switching from methadone to Suboxone is what I have read on this site. Yes, methadone does take longer to leave your body and you do want to make sure that you're in wd before starting Suboxone due to the risk of Precipitated Withdrawal.

From what I'm reading, you stopped taking methadone Wednesday. That'll give you Th, Fr, Sa, Su and Mo with no methadone. That sounds right to me, that gives you 5 plus days off of methadone.

Your doctor also said to stop the oxy's Sunday night. You induct Tues. morning. Again, that sounds about right. Really, the most important thing is to be in wd though. It's not so much about how much time has passed since your last oxy, it's more about being in wd. But as far as general time lines go, the ones your doctor laid out sound about right.

OK, if you're in decent wd when you induct onto Suboxone, you should feel better fairly quickly.....45 minutes to an hour. I have, however, noticed that people going from methadone to Suboxone seem to take a bit longer to stabilze on Suboxone??

As far as your question "is life gonna be fine on sub no craving no more pills", Suboxone doesn't magically make your life fine and that's probably not what you meant when you said that, but I wanted to mention that. For me, Suboxone completely eliminated my cravings and for the three years I was on it, I did not use any pain meds at all.

Take care, I hope everything goes great for you.

Feel free to post any other questions or concerns you have, that's what were here for.

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Hi Kassy and welcome,

Romeo gave you some good advice/answers. I'm curious - how often were you taking methadone? Were you taking it daily up through Wednesday? Or just hit and miss and Wednesday was the most recent day? It does take longer to get it out of your system, but it sounds like you weren't taking it exclusively or all that regularly, so your last dose of it having been Wednesday should be fine. (That said, I'm not a doctor or addiction specialist of any kind.)

I know you're nervous - it's normal. It's a huge change, albeit a positive one. And yes, many people DO report feeling MUCH better very soon after dosing. I can't guarantee it as everyone is different with different addiction histories and tolerance levels though.

As Romeo said, when it comes to being in withdrawals before your induction, it's not really a matter of how long, but more importantly, it's a matter of how bad the withdrawals are. They need to be mild to moderate before you induce. Doing the induction at the doctor's office allows her/him to make that call, rather than letting you go home and decide when to take your first dose on your own (some doctors actually do that).

I hope this helps. Please do let us know how it goes. And before then if you have more questions, just ask away. And if you get nervous, post as often as you need to!

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can you guys please tell me what the sub feels like when you first take it at the dr office is it a "pill" feeling do you feel back to your normal self on pills when you first start?


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It does not feel like it did when you first starting taking opiates. Most people report feeling "normal". Some people do feel a bit "loopy", but nothing like any kind of high, for the first couple or few days, depending on their tolerance level. Sometimes it does take a few days to stabilize. Try to take a deep breath and remember, before you know it, Tuesday will be here.

How are you feeling so far? When will you last opiate(s) be tonight? Just remember don't take any after that cut off as it will just delay starting your sub treatment. You CAN do this. And post as often as you need to, it's what we're here for. Hang in there.

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yes it will be tonight ughhhhhh, im dreading tomorrow its gonna be so awful. I have quit one time before by myself for two weeks it was the worst thing i have ever experienced!! what did you mean it will take a couple days to stabalize?


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oh and what does normal mean?? and i wont be sick anymore right?


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Hey notawiferife,

When I started Suboxone, I took 8mg and within 40 minutes I felt GREAT. Somewhere around the 1 hour mark, I felt, for lack of a better word, stoned. I took another 8mg that evening and couldn't sleep because I was so "high".....again, "high" isn't the right word, but it's all I got. The first few days is when I felt my Suboxone the most, after that it kind of tapers off into a nice normalness. Not high, not low.....just kind of like you felt before you started using drugs. I know how ridiculously hard this must seem to be for you to believe, but it was true for me and many, many others on this website.

Making it through the next 1.5 days may be a struggle, but what you have waiting on the other side is a chance at breaking out of your active addiction. YOU CAN SURVIVE THE 1.5 DAYS OF WD!!! It will be SO worth it.

Please, post all you want to. Bitch and moan if that's what you feel like doing. Scream and shout if that's what you want to do. Post anything you feel like if it helps you, OK?

PS---I know many people who report feeling a kind of "high" when they start on Suboxone, it does subside pretty quickly though. And, once the Suboxone starts working, you will NOT feel sick anymore.

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thats amazing to hear thank you so much!!! i know i can do it its just a scary scary thing to go thru withdrawals i hate it so much!! i get so much anxiety i loose my mind and am talking to my self silently of course. im sure you know! i just WANT TUESDAY MORNING TO COME AS FAST AS POSSIBLE!!! :'''( I AM 100% COMMITTED TO DOING THIS AND GETTING CLEAN FOR ME AND MY FAMILY AND MY KIDS!! I WILL HAVE NOTHING TO FALL BACK ON TOMORROW IT IS ALL OUT OF THE HOUSE AND MY PARENTS TOOK ALL MY MONEY SO I CAN JUST GET THRU TILL TUESDAY AND I JUST PRAY A NEW LIFE IS WAITING ON THE OTHER SIDE FOR ME!! HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN ON SUBS FOR?


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I was on Suboxone for 3 years.

June 4th of last year I quit taking my Suboxone, Yep, almost at the one year mark off of Suboxone!!

Good thinking on getting all that shit out of your house AND letting your parents take all of your money. I can tell how bad you want this Kassy, it's gonna be worth it.

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im on about 80-120 mg of oxy a day right now... what were you doing if you dont mind i ask


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Just before getting on Suboxone, I had narrowed my use down to Hydrocodone alone (Lorcet, Vicodin) and was around 100mg to 150mg/day.

Hydrocodone and Oxycodone are very similar, they are both "short acting" opiates. I would expect your induction onto Suboxone to be very similar to mine, if you're in enough wd that is. The whole key to induction onto Suboxone is being in wd.

I was in pretty heavy wd when I started my Suboxone, but it wasn't long after taking that first Suboxone that I felt a LOT better.

BTW, I sent you a PM, I was curious about your Methadone use and it seemed like maybe you weren't comfortable sharing that publicly?? So, I sent you that PM, look at the top right of your screen when you log on, it'll show you have a message.

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It's Monday morning (albeit early) and I was thinking about you and wondering how you are doing/feeling. I think Romeo answered your question about how you'll feel quite well so I'll leave it at that.

I will say that I've been on sub for 2.5 years. I also take it for pain, so that's part of the reason I'll be on it for a very long time. I can never go back to taking regular pain meds for the chronic pain I'll likely have for the rest of my life. And suboxone helps with that quite a bit.

Also, my suboxone induction was far from typical, so again, I would rely on Romeo's description - his was much more typical than mine, so I won't even go into my experience. But as he said, the day's discomfort will SO be worth it!

I hope you check in today and tell us how you are doing. Hang in there.

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ughhhhhhhhhh day 1, well i had to get out of bed not till 9:45 am actually but with rls big time, it was about 12 hours exactly since my last 20 mg of oxy before bed.. right now i obviously feel the bugs all over my skin and have the worst heacache in the world! thought about getting in the bath tub but i know how shitty it is to get out and be cold and have to find the energy to get redressed so i will save that for later. I know all about withdrawals but how do i want them to look when i go in tomorrow what is mild to moderate... since everyone talks about how important it is... it makes you worry about if your withdrawals are strong enough.
romeo i will check my message but i have no problem about talking about my methadone use :) that is my prefrence but i get it from my ex husband and its not always available to me, i have only used it the past five months or so is when i got introduce to it, its a different high and it last longer obviously not neccessarily the high but feeling great all day and when you wake up the next morning unlike oxy- no oxy in 12 hours is what makes me have to get out of bed around 10 when ive taken methadone the daybefore i can sleep till 12-1 if i wanted... thats why i like i feel healthy longer.
trying to start drinking fluids. CANT FUCKING WAIT FOR TOMORROW i pray my experience is like romeos or i wont be able to make i swear to God. The reason i am doing this is i swore i would NEVER quit cold turkey in my life ever!!! but if a day in a half is what i have to do then... i will do it... but when you quit cold turkey it take FOREVER TO FEEL NORMAL.. well last time i only last 3 weeks and then said fuck this... tired of feeling weighed down and anxiety thru the roof.. after all the barfing was over of course.... well see how today goes.


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If you want to know what mild-to-moderate withdrawals would be, Google the COWS worksheet. That will illustrate how doctors gauge when you're in sufficient withdrawals for them to start your induction. Hope that helps. Oh and if you can, a bath really will make you feel better. It'll probably be worth the effort. Hang in there!

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Like Hat said, you can google search the COWS sheet, but from what I just read of your latest post, you're gonna be in mild to moderate wd no problem at all.

Do you have someone driving you to the doctor tomorrow?? I had my wife take me to my first app't. It was almost an hour drive and I'm glad she was there to drive me. I'm sure I could have made the drive on my own, but it was a whole lot safer with her driving. Under ideal circumstances, I'm not the best driver in the world, well, not that I'm a crappy driver, I just drive like a bat out of hell!!

I quit Hydrocodone cold turkey years ago, I made it to day 30 and said "Fuck this noise", so I hear ya there.

That's one of the great parts of Suboxone, you can taper down to a very low dose before you get off of it. Trying to taper off of Hydrocodone or Oxycodone is next to impossible, not with Suboxone though.

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ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmgosh! this fuckin blows! its only 4:35 too..... how the fuck am i gonna make it all night?


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Five minutes at a time, that's how. One minute at a time if you have to. This wd you're in is TEMPORARY.

I know it sucks bad, I know. Hold on dude, you're gonna make it!!

Keep posting if it helps.

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IT'S TUESDAY MORNING!!! YOU MADE IT! Just a few more hours and all this waiting will be over. I know you're in agony, but you'll feel better very soon. Keep us posted when you are able. Hang in there!!!!

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Seven more hours :( it better wk they better get my dose right I hope this is my turn!


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