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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:48 pm 
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I have my next follow up appt with my sub dr in a few days and I am going to ask him to prescribe me something for sleep. I was wondering if anyone could suggest something that worked for you. I think he will give me whatever I ask for because he's pretty agreeable and I'm a good patient. I just don't know what to ask for.

My problem is not usually falling asleep. I just cannot stay asleep. I literally wake up 20 times a night...EVERY HALF HOUR the entire night and I am going crazy!!! :shock:

I NEVER get deep sleep. This has been happening for years and years, long before I got on subs. I know deep sleep is important for your body to heal and just to maintain a normal energy and mood throughout the day. My sleep probs have caused me irritability, depression, extreme lethargy at work, etc. The less sleep I get...the more my back and neck hurt all day.

I've heard Ambien puts you to sleep, but doesn't keep you asleep. I've heard Lunesta keeps you asleep better, but you feel groggy the next day. I don't know what to ask for. I know everyone is different, I was just hoping to get a few tips and hear what other people have to say. I am willing to try anything!


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Once again, as in all my posts (I should prolly put that as my signature) I am speaking solely for myself.

If you used drugs like I used drugs than anything addictive like Ambien or Lunesta are probably not a good idea. Try trazadone (docs usually start out @50 mg to see about any side effects but that's not a therapeutic dose per se. Shoot for atleast 100mg.

ALso, the anti-depressant Remeron(mirtazapine) has virtually no anti-depressant properties at low doses such as 7.5 and 15mg, so at that threshold its used mainly as a sleep aid (30+mg is when it is used to treat depression, so paradoxically the less you take the more it puts you to sleep!)

Have you tried good ol' herbal remedies such as valerian (get the capsules not the tea cuz the taste is unbearable). chamomile tea or relaxation teast from Yogi company work for some people. Also, melatonin Xtra strength you can get at any vitamin counter.

I'm not specialist and obviously for serious clinical insomnia I'd obviously consult a doctor knowledgeable in psycho-pharmacology , not just some nut that prescribes you anything you ask for (oh what I would do for a doc like that in the past!!)

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Thanks for the tips. I should have listed what I've already tried, because I've tried everything you suggested! :cry:

I've been on Trazadone, but it didn't help me fall asleep or do anything at all for my depression so I stopped that.

I was on Remeron for depression 10 years ago, and it did nothing for my depression, but it did definitely help me sleep. So much that when I tried to get off, I went 3 nights in a row with not a wink of sleep and started hallucinating. So I had to taper off of that until I was taking tiny crubs for a few months. The reason I got off is because I gained about 25 lbs on it, which my dr warned me about...so that is not an option for me.

Melatonin also helped me fall asleep, but it gave me very vivid nightmares. They were so bad I stopped using it. This was also yeas ago, so I might try the melatonin again. I can't remember if it helped me stay asleep or not.

I have tried Sleepy Time tea. I am going to try that again. Right now I drink Tension Tamer herbal tea before bed, and it really does help me fall asleep a lot better. But I just can't stay asleep. GGrrrrrrr!!!

Unisom and Benadryl help me go to sleep but not stay asleep.

I was on Prozac for depression a long time ago, but it made me so tired I could not even function. I was sleeping on my break and lunch at work, and I'd come home and get in bed at 6pm and not get up til work the next day (except to pee and force myself to eat). And I slept the entire weekend through. I had to get off of Prozac, even though it helped me sleep and helped my anxiety/irritability, but I couldn't sleep my life away! I even tried raising the dose and lowering the dose, and still could not function.

I got tempurpedic pillows, a mattress topper, and earplugs for when my boyfriend snores (which I use every night). I just don't know what to do. I wish I could sleep like a normal human being.


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I guess I'll just ask for Ambien or Lunesta since I haven't tried either of those. Been up since 2am today, as usual...fun fun fun.


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Hey Taurus,

I don't have much to offer you in the way of advice. I just thought I would offer you my experience with ambien. I think it works great making you fall asleep, but as you mentioned I had a hard time staying asleep on it. It seemed like it would work for about 4 hours and then I would be awake off and on for the rest of the night. I guess that is why you don't feel groggy with it the next day, because it wears off so quickly. Just be careful with it, I became addicted to it pretty quickly. There is a slight euphoric feeling (or can be with some people, maybe not everyone) you get from it. It is in the class of drugs called hallucinagenics, or something like that.... Anyway, I got where I was taking at least 1 1/2 or 2 every night just to get a little buzzed and then stay awake and did all kinds of crazy stuff I didn't remember the next morning. I remembered some of it, just not all. My husband takes it too, he is not an addict so he has no problem with it. He takes it a couple nights a week and usually he goes straight to bed when he takes it, which is what they tell you to do. But if he ever does stay up more that 5 minutes after he takes it, he starts doing crazy stuff too. It's actually pretty funny watching him because he is never high or drunk....me and the kids get a good laugh out of him. One night he had been reading a western book and then took his pill, he was acting like he was a cowboy, holding my sons play rifle that made electronic gun sounds shooting at me, then asking me if I was wounded real bad....It was so funny! Anyway, he would kill me if he knew I was telling anyone about that.

I hope you find something to help you. I don't mean to say that ambien is bad....I think it is a good medicine for anyone that can handle it, just wanted you to know it might be something to be careful with. Good luck!


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That's so weird! I've heard about a lot of people doing crazy stuff on it now that you mention it. I'm gonna go google it. Thanks for the info!


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Hey Taurus, I have tried Ambien. I will agree with the other replies. One time I took Ambien (with wine :? ) and I made a facebook and became friends with all my daughters friends. The photos of me were pretty racy. Not porn racy, but not exactly Mom appropriate. Anyway I had NO recollection of doing this... I am sure I did other rediculous stuff bc I would always have wine with my Ambien and end up taking another half a pill. I quickly discontinued Ambien by choice..(after I finished my script of course)
I will tell you what I do. I have a hot bath w/ epsome salt & extra virgin coconut oil (that way no need to moisturise as the hot bathes tend to make your skin dry) I drink Cellestial Seasonings "Sleepytime Extra" tea. (the exrtra ingredient is Valerian root BTW) )Usually 2 cups before bed while I am reading or watching Weeds. I do take xanax, BUT I would not suggest it BC it will cause cross addiction. I ALWAYS & MUST have a fan blowing everynight. The reason being is that it creates "white noise" It drounds out background noise. (not snoring) This step is IMPERATIVE for me. Now I have to make a coment about the snoring........Snoring is a disease of the listener........ I am in love with a guy that I can not be with BC he snores (& has apnea too) so loud that even my kids hear it in the other room. He refuses to address it and therefore I refuse to allow him to sleep over. So with this being said there are so many things one can do to address the snoring, (But no wonder you can not sleep. ) I too tried earplugs. I remember trying to shove them so far into my ear, I bursted my eardrum... I do love this guy but he is over weight, he smokes and he will not see a doctor. So what can ya do????? I am certainly not blaming your insomnia on your guy, but snoring truly is a HUGE issue. Anyway I do hope you can find a solution. Another thing I would like to bring up is that ever since I have had children I have had insomnia. I have not slept an entire night thru since the birth of my oldest who is 20. Something about being a Mom. I always have an ear open.
Do you sleep with any lights on or the TV? I know that this is common too and it disrupts sleep patterns due to the light. Try also to get into the direct sunlight everyday. It sets your internal clock. As you can see from my wealth of knowledge on this issue, I have done TONS of research BC I have suffered for years. It is so strange that I have not suffered insomnia after stopping sub...Grace of God!
If I can think of anything else I will surely share. I know what you are going thru taurus.. Good luck


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LOL, Sweet. I can totally relate to the ambien facebooking....I did that several times too! Friended and sent Private messages to people I never would have when not on the ambien! And the sleep issues after childbirth....I agree 100% You never sleep a solid night thru again. I wake up with every little noise and go check on the kids. I guess that is the price we pay for our little gifts huh? The fan was a great idea that I didn't think about. We do the same thing in our house. We started it when the hubby started swing shift and had to sleep during the day. Not easy with three kids running around the house screaming, it drowns out the noise pretty effectively. After I got used to sleeping with it on, I can't sleep without it anymore. Something about that constant "white noise" it really does the trick!


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Thanks for all the advice sweet. I do not sleep with the tv or any lights on. I cannot stand any noise, inlcuding a fan. That has been a huge frustration for my boyfriend because he was used to sleeping with a fan on every night. We have lived together for 3 years and I couldn't sleep with it on, and he couldn't sleep with it off. We finally compromised and we use the fan in summer and no fan in winter. I hate the air blowing on my face when I sleep. It dries my throat out and makes my arms cold. So in the summer when we use it, I have to sleep totally tucked under the covers. But I don't want to be a bitch so I let him have it on half the year.

As for his snorring....I use earplugs every night, and I can still hear him sometimes. But ususally the earplugs block out most of it. On the nights when he drinks a lot, usually on weekends, he snores really lound and his whole body jerks like every 30 seconds...it's sooo annoying! So I get up and sleep on the couch on those nights. I wish I could pass out as soon as my head hits the pillow like him!

I have tried drinking Tension Tamer tea over the last 2 weeks and it really has helped, but I still wake up all night. I am going to buy some Sleepy Time next time I'm at the store.

How did you bust your eardrum? What happened and what did you have to do about it? I always worry I'm going to do that.


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Oh, and as far as the Xanax...I don't know if I'm just weird or what, but benzos have never done a thing for me. My doctor prescribed me Ativan and I could not even tell when I took one. I even took up to 5 or 6 at a time, when 1 or 2 didn't work, and still...nothing. I did not feel any different.

I have taken Xanax from friends, and took them when I felt I needed them for anxiety, but didn't feel a thing. I didn't feel tired or relaxed or anything.

I have never had anxiety 'attacks', just anxiety and extreme irritability in general. So maybe these meds only work for people with attacks? I know I could get physically dependent on them if I took them every day, but I don't think I would ever get addicted to them because they do nothing for me. Is that weird? Can you really tell a difference after you take them?


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Oh taurus, girl, I totally understand your frustration. With reguard on the fan. I turn the fan away from me and toward the wall. That way I get no breeze. I remember my BF liked the fan on his face and it seemend to sorta help his snoring but not enough for MY sleep which is ESSENTIAL! I bursted my eardrum BC I was using the airplane type plugs in which you squeeze the air out then shove them in your ear to create a seal sorta deal. I was pissed bc HE was sleeping (& snoring) and I was trying to create a seal in my ear but the air must have blew a hole in my eardrum, It took 2-3 days to heal. It felt like I had water in my ear. That was the LAST straw and now I will not tolerate him sleeping over. Honestly no matter what medication you take, unfortunately for people with sleep issues, especially when their bed partner snores, it will be a life long battle unless HE gets treatment. That is half the battle. (sorry very sore subject)
I have a funny story... I met the guy of my dreams (last hubby) We dated 4 months and he NEVER snored NOT ONCE.. We went to Italy and got married... That night, after a few bottles of wine and a beautiful wedding, we went to the hotel room to have our first married experience and afterward OF COURSE, (makes me think of Breezy lol) He passed out cold....AND STARTED SNORING!!!! OMG!! The DAY we got married that fucker starts snoring....I slept in the fucking bathroom... Anyway we are no longer married but not beause of the snoring....( He turned out to be a c*ck sucker.....) That is what I get for getting married after only 4 short months...lol. BTW we are still friends.
I know you guys will figure it out and if you have lasted this long together chances are things will work themselves out... Good luck sister and hope you all have a great weekend!!


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Oh, sweet, you made me laugh. Yes, it is a very sore subject with me too! I want to kick him off the bed sometimes. And then he has the nerve to steal my covers on top of that!! I am so jealous of people who can sleep with no problem. THey have no idea what we go through. I have even gotten to the point, over the last few years, where I don't even want to make any plans to do anything because I never know if I'm going to be able to get a wink of sleep the night before. I'm so sick of this.

I think I'll pass on the Ambien. I researched it and it said that it helps you fall asleep, but not stay asleep. And I don't need help falling to sleep. I need help staying asleep so I don't wake up every half hour all night long. I need some DEEP sleep!!!

I'm going to try to research some more meds today to try to find what might work best for me.


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I need a fan at night to sleep myself. I have always always always had sleeping problems. In fact, some of my earliest memories are of me struggling to sleep. My mind just goes nuts when I lay down. I do have ADD though. Sleep was one of the reasons I used. One of my favorite things about Cannabis was it let me fall asleep easier, then it stopped, then something else etc etc.

Anyways I am prescribed Seroquel for sleep. I take a super small dose, but I would like to stop. However, I am waiting till after I get off of Sub to try. I would like some Ambien for like a week or two after making the final jump off my Suboxone, but I doubt the Doctor will do that.

Ambien has made many people do weird things. I remember taking it once and telling joking with my roommate I had "a gun". Not threatening, just joking. He was surprised as he knew I had never held a gun, let alone shot one. He told me the next day and I had no recollection.

For the record, it is not a Hallucinogenic drug (that is things like LSD, 2C-B, Mushrooms), but it certainly feels very trippy. The visual stuff is similar to a dissociative... yes, I was quite the party kid back in my day. Lots of Phish shows.


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For the record, it is not a Hallucinogenic drug (that is things like LSD, 2C-B, Mushrooms), but it certainly feels very trippy. The visual stuff is similar to a dissociative... yes, I was quite the party kid back in my day. Lots of Phish shows.


Hey stephent....you are absolutely right. I looked up the article where I thought I had read that ambien was a hallucinogen and found out it was a hypnotic...duh. Well, they both started with an H. :oops: Here is a copy of that section of the article...

Ambien (zolpidem) is a sedative, also called a hypnotic. It affects chemicals in your brain that may become unbalanced and cause sleep problems (insomnia).

Thanks for setting the record straight!


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Pretty sure you were the one in the other topic that was talking about hating those weird dreams where your paralyzed, or sleep paralysis and OBES (thats what they're called, I explained them in my long term side effects topic)

If that was you and you hate experiencing these, I would avoid ambien and lunesta. I took ambien a couple months ago and had 8 of these right in a row.

Tried Trazadone (mainly because my doc said the insurance has to see that Ive tried this before prescribing ambien or lunesta, because I actually liked those paralysis dreams haha) but the next morning I was stuck with a painful erection, on and off, about once a minute or so. Luckily it slowly dissipated with time and it wasn't that one disease thats like this but it never goes down and they chop it off if it goes untreated for a while.

Try melatonin, thats a good natural sleep aid.


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