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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:49 am 
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Hello. I have a strange situation with opiates in that they greatly help me and I do hurt without them for a few days, but I don't crave them or feel emotionally down in withdrawal. I am currently prescribed 10mg hydrocodones for pain from surgery I had about two years ago. 40mg's of hydrocodone daily is more than enough to control my pain, but the problem is I am only wrote 40 pills per two or three months. My problem starts here; I have been using oxycodone off the street to self-medicate. I normally don't use any more than 40mg's of it; only enough to control pain. This is not to say I haven't used over before to completely null pain though, I've done over 80mg's a few times, I mean it does feel good and I won't lie; I enjoy it, but most of the time I use opiates for pain management. I just don't feel that I am moving forward though, because I take breaks up to two weeks here and there, either when I can't afford opiates or can't get my prescription. I have used suboxone (street) to taper down from having opiates for a few weeks straight and am clean and have no cravings or needs besides shoulder pain, diarrhea, and restlessness. So what should I do? The opiates entirely alleviate my pain, stop IBS, and help me live and sleep normal, but I don't want to look like a junkie by asking for a daily dose... Please help.


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Hi Psavage and welcome to the forum. I'm not entirely clear about what it is you're looking for. Are you saying you think you're more dependent on opiates than addicted, and whether or not you should start suboxone? Many people who are addicted or end up being addicted have legitimate pain that full agonist opiates help to relieve. I for one am one of those people. Opiates helped my chronic pain, but I ended up taking too much, running out, going through withdrawals monthly until things got completely out of control. I went on suboxone in December 2008 and am still on it. For me, my chronic pain will not likely end anytime soon and I can't go back to using regular opiates to treat it. So I made the decision to stay on sub, because it helps to treat my pain - I really have no other options left.

I don't know if this helps you or not, but I thought I'd share. If you're comfortable giving us more information, maybe we can give you more specific feedback.

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 Post subject: Needing meds?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:23 am 
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Hello. My name is Scott. I am on Suboxone & I was in a simular situation. When you cross the line from pain management, to addiction, you don't SEE the invisible line. You cross it & don't even know it's been crossed. I suggest getting help NOW instead of when it may be too late. I have had 13 freakin' O.D's! I have had a face to face w/ death a few times....don't end up like me. W.B. if you like., Scotty.


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This definitely helps. I understand completely about running out early and taking to much. My main question is should I ask for more PRESCRIBED medication, or just kind of here and there when I can, once again I'm only at about a 6 on the pain scale with the worst withdrawal I've ever felt being a headache and restless legs. I just feel the money is the only real issue right now. I do not know what to do because I am young and family tells me I shouldn't hurt this bad, but it does annoy me and prevent me from normally living life (my shoulder injury).


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I'm sorry you're living with such pain. I know the feeling and it can be debilitating, not to mention it can cause depression. Is the doctor you get your pain meds from a pain management doctor? If not and you want to stay on regular opiate pain meds, I would consider getting a specialist to help deal with your pain. They are usually better educated to deal only with treating pain and you might need their special experience and education.

I can't say if you're addicted and need to be on suboxone - you and your doctor would have to figure that one out. I can tell you that my ride using regular pain meds for my chronic pain ended very badly. There are very few people (in my opinion) that can take pain meds long term without having addiction problems. Are you considering going on suboxone or are you just looking for support in dealing with your chronic pain? There is also something called hyperalgesia. As I understand it, it is when long-term use of pain meds actually increases one's pain. I'm fairly certain that's what happened to me. I ended up taking anything and everything to combat my pain and I ended up in the psych ward because all those meds affected my mental stability. That's when I got on suboxone and honestly, my pain is now more manageable than when I was on hydromorphone and percs.

Again, because I'm not clear what you're looking for, I don't know if this helps you or not. Good luck in whatever you decide and please keep us posted on how you're doing.

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Hi, I'm new here too. Can't help feel like I was where you are a long time ago. When it went from percs to oxys and other drugs and ODs & locked wards. That invisible line is real, I never saw it coming and never thought it would get me.


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 Post subject: Re: Needing meds?
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scottcat wrote:
Hello. My name is Scott. I am on Suboxone & I was in a simular situation. When you cross the line from pain management, to addiction, you don't SEE the invisible line. You cross it & don't even know it's been crossed. I suggest getting help NOW instead of when it may be too late. I have had 13 freakin' O.D's! I have had a face to face w/ death a few times....don't end up like me. W.B. if you like., Scotty.


This about sums it up,bro. I constantly go back to my first serious opiate usage which was 100% due to legitimate pain that once led to fainting and going into a pain shock. I had never planned becoming a junkie but I ended up switching to heroin from pain pills, snorting it and then skin-popping up to 150-200$/day. I remember how I noticed my first runny nose and sweating in about a week after starting on pain meds. I sure knew what it meant but after not catching any sleep for 6 months due to pain, being suddenly transported into a painless, weightless state of euphoria and sleeping like a dead man for 12-18 hrs every night seemed irresistible. I have a very high pain tolerance and could go thru any pain without meds during daytime but what finally wore my willpower down completely was the total sleep deprivation due to pain. Sleep deprivation is a known torture which leaves no marks. Any person if kept awake for 7-10 days will sign any document, even implicating himself and his family of crimes he didn`t commit. I know that if the pain would somehow go away at night, I could deal with it without meds during daytime. I literally walked into walls after 6 months of not sleeping, I was practically sleep-walking. Only then I finally broke down and asked for opiates. Needless to say the meds felt like a gallon of cold water after walking thru a desert for a month. So it can be said that I sleep-walked into my dope addiction:).


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The way I see it is this:

You either ARE or ARE NOT going to take full agonist opiates daily for long-term pain management. I would suggest that you just have an open and honest discussion with your doctor about it.

But I've got to be honest here. If you are going on the street to get more drugs that what has been prescribed to you, then you are likely having some issues with those drugs, meaning, you are displaying addictive behavior. You even admitted that they make you feel good. The other thing that stands out a little bit here is in your first post you wrote that the pills help with your IBS. That sounds a lot like rationalizing. I'm not trying to be confrontational with you at all. I am just being honest.

Maybe, since your pain is a 6, suboxone would be adequate to manage it?

If you're expressing a fear of "looking like a junkie" for asking for a daily dose of opiates, well, it seems to me that on some level you are already acknowledging that the opiates are a problem for you. Or that they are BECOMING a problem for you.

IF you take them daily, you will become physically dependent. For some people physical dependence never morphs into full blown addiction, but I think that's quite rare.


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