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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:01 pm 
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Fantastic medicine Suboxone is but it has killed my sex drive!Constipation is my other bad side effect.

My wife is very upset because she thinks I don't want her anymore.I love her very much and through 10 years of marriage and two children our sex life has always been good until I started Suboxone and now generic Subutex about 2 months ago.

Is there anyone that has this problem as well?Perhaps someone could help me explain to my wife that it's not about her but rather it's the medicine that is interfering with our sex life?

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You are certainly not the first person to complain about either side effect and you won't be the last. For men, I believe (if I have this right, maybe someone can help me out) opiates/opioids (I never know which one to use) can have an effect on testosterone levels. You might want to ask your doctor to check your levels for you. If it is low, they can prescribe Androgel, a testosterone gel that's applied daily. (My husband is on it.)

Also, there was a thread a few or several months ago about low testosterone - maybe you could find it - it might help you. Many people contributed to it. You could print it out and show it to your wife, maybe she'll believe that.

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Thank you I find this interesting because I alkso feel less aggressive.Before I was very macho if you will.I have noticed this "attitude" diminish for the worse.I say worst because I was never attacking anyone but was very avid about staying strong and haveing a dominant presence amoung people.I find myself searching for this "man" inside lately.

I will see the doctor shortly about this possibility.

Thank you so much hatmaker:)
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Definitely can relatete to the side effects........first off if I applied any type of gel...she would not be necessary because I would be almost done......ha.

What I did was went to my Primary and got the Cialis 5mg daily prescription. However I only take one 5mg tablet before sex. One it doesn't give me the side effects that come with that type of medication-stuffiness, rash or feelings of taking an anahistamine. It seems to be enough to do the job.....effectively and because it is expensive getting 30 pills at 5mg is a lot cheaper than buying the 10mg or 20mg dose. This may not work for everyone but it does for me. Plus Cialis is currently offering a coupon for 30 days free of the 5mg dose. So you may want to try it and not have an expense in case it does not work for you. I know this can be an embarassing thing to talk about. I was not in a relationship while on sub until recently and now things are working with this medicine.......and even some days without it. The doctor checked and there were no concerns with taking it while on suboxone. If you haven't tried this I suggest it.......Good luck.

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Having been on methadone for so long I was already on testosterone therapy. I skipped my last 2 shots since going on sub and though I haven't been tested yet I can tell by waking up in the mornings I am back to producing my own at least moreso than before. I should be able to tell definitively when I have my physical in a couple of months. I guess everyone is affected differently though to some extent. I hope so because I hate giving myself shots, especially that stuff. It is heavier than motor oil!


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Thank you Jim,
I will also look into this as well.It might come in handy to help if I need it at a specific time.However my problem seems to stem beyond performance time.It seems that there is no interest in sex at all most of the time.
Things need to change I'm only 36 years old as of today:)!


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Definitely can relatete to the side effects........first off if I applied any type of gel...she would not be necessary because I would be almost done......ha.

I knew that Reraise and I would find some common ground. The sex drive part I never had that much of an issue with, I've always been sort of a horndog. The constipation was and still is something that I deal with. A few weeks ago there was a thread that was about constipation and alot of comments and remedies were written about. I use a product called "Swiss Kriss" and I absolutely swear by it. It has worked wonders for me and I don't get cramps or anything like that from it and I never seemed to build up any kind of tolerance. I've turned a few people onto it and it has worked for them as well. It's OTC and 8 or 9 dollars for well over a months worth. Sometimes it can be hard to find but Walgreens will have it most of the time. Not saying it will work for you but I tried everything under the sun before someone told me about it. I also eat fruits and veggies on a regular basis and am pretty active. Good luck and with the sex issue, just like they say in AA, you might have to fake it till you make it. Keep us posted.

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This is one of the main reasons I am trying to get back down to 4mg and stabilize there. When I first got on suboxone, you could have put <insert> in front of me naked and it might as well have been a hockey puck. Zero interest... :cry: My wife was not happy, but, she WAS happy that I was healthier and not taking pills any more, so we decided to wait it out until I got down to a lower dose.....I noticed that my interest in sex returned when I got to about 6mg, and it really came roaring back when I was (briefly) down to 1mg, but I was (unfortunately) not able to hack it on such a low dose and went back up to 8mg again because I was afraid to relapse......

Over the last few months, I've come to believe that may have been an over-reaction, so as I said, I'm trying to get back down to an eventual 4mg dose, and even now at 7mg, I seem to be at least somewhat interested in sex again....I don't usually initiate it, but if my wife initiates it, I am able to respond.

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new_sub wrote:
Having been on methadone for so long I was already on testosterone therapy. I skipped my last 2 shots since going on sub and though I haven't been tested yet I can tell by waking up in the mornings I am back to producing my own at least moreso than before. I should be able to tell definitively when I have my physical in a couple of months. I guess everyone is affected differently though to some extent. I hope so because I hate giving myself shots, especially that stuff. It is heavier than motor oil!


Thank you we must have been typing at the same time.And thanks in advance to anyone else that responds.
We gotta stick together with this stuff!

Our lives may depend on it...


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So....what is it about Sub that just sucks away the sex drive away? Does anyone know? Research or anything? Everything seems dulled, I'd like to hope my reward center in my brain hasn't gone out..worrisome.


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I don't know but it has become a major problem in my marriage.I still need to get to the doctor about this.


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I am not able to provide the specific physiologic reasons, but it has been proven in many studies that opiates reduce the amount of testosterone in many men. There have been both anecdotal reports and actual studies where men on any variety of opiate medication, including Suboxone, have their blood levels tested and find that they are low. Obviously, not everyone has this problem, but many seem to. Speaking personally, it was worse when I was in active addiction and abusing full agonist opiates. It is better on Suboxone but still not normal. I have not been tested in many years, but about 6 or 7 years ago I did go through the testing process and was in the 150 range (from what I remember) - which I told was below the rather wide range of normal.

As far as what to do about it, well the two main things would be to reduce the amount of Suboxone that you take to as low as you possibly can while still staying in remission. The other thing is getting hormone replacement therapy. A standard GP physician should be able to help you with this. They will draw blood and see where your levels are at and then offer hormone replacement medication for you as needed. No doubt there is also likely natural or homeopathic ways to try to deal with this as well but from what I have seen, less Suboxone or replacement therapy seems to be what works the best.


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Hey sorry to hear your haveing these side affects i def can relate to one. the sex drive no i havent had any issues with tthat but im also only 23 years old so that might have something to do with it maybe.

But constipation i can relate 100%. i never had these issues till i started suboxone when i was on oxy i would go to the bathroom 3 times a day or so when i would start to come down. but that all changed an i would b lucky to go 1 time when i first got on sub an that 1 time was very lil. it got so bad i didnt go to the bathroom for 10 days and ended up in the ER were i found out i was fully compacted top to bottom and thats when life became hell. i was in the ER about 3 or 4 times more after that first visit cause they told me to come back if nothing worked well nothing did work but finally i went to different ER and was reffered for emergency app with a poop dr lol. i had a colonoscopy 2 days later worst ex of my life cause im on sub so i couldnt be knocked out so i had to take that other stuff that you are awake but cant feel things. anyways that was worthless colon was fine an thats when we came to the conclusion it was the suboxone causeing this. so i was put on Miralax twice aday an WA LA back to normal.

just go to the drug store if a OCT so no script needed an pickup the small bottle first b4 you spend 24 bucks on the big one an just follow the instructions an see what happens. an from their if it works you can adjust your amounts of the miralax till you are at a good spot.


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I've been on suboxone for something like 6 years, 3 months now and, yes, right from the start I noticed a major drop in libido, or interest in sex. I also have major constipation and, in fact, also have difficulty urinating. I had hoped my former wife and I could figure out how to deal with the first problem, but over time, she just got to where she wanted me off suboxone and didn't care that I was an addict who might relapse as a result. We met with my doctor and he said those addicts who stay on suboxone for longer periods do better than those who get on it and then, relatively quickly, get back off of it. He did his best to convince her that, right then, at that time in my life, I needed the benefits of the drug more than anything else. He told us both that, basically, there was nothing wrong with me staying on it indefinitely and that it was totally up to me to decide when, and if, I wanted to start tapering to get off of it.

My wife didn't like his opinion one bit. And eventually, she left me. There were many issues besides the one associated with suboxone, but I can't help but think that my low, or almost non-existent, sex drive was the main reason for the split. I hope very much that what we went through is not in you and your wife's future. My wife and I had been married for 17 years. We remain very close and still love each other (at least that's what she says...I know I still love here, but I don't miss her yelling and screaming at me over this kind of stuff at all) but she just doesn't want to be married to me and live with me anymore.

It's very hard, being trapped between a rock and hard place like that, being forced to make a choice like that. I was (and still am to some degree) afraid of relapse so I appreciate the safety net that suboxone provides. But I disliked being married to someone who had no sympathy for what addicts go through in trying to do the right thing in staying clean. She even began to complain that I was gone all the time to, you know, "those meetings" (AA and NA). I'm not whining. I chose the drug instead of taking my chances without it and trying to save my marriage. I guess she did what was best for her and I did the same thing. We just weren't on the same page. At all.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:10 pm 
I have not met one person, male or female that was on long term bupe that kept a sex drive. This also include anyone on Meth. Well... lets get down to it.. anyone one long acting opiates. Its just the price one pays. This is one reason I decided that I didn't want life long maintenance. Now two yrs clean... my sex drive maybe coming back.. Not sure yet.

I did get a big come back after my iboga tx. That la


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I have not met one person, male or female that was on long term bupe that kept a sex drive. This also include anyone on Meth. Well... lets get down to it.. anyone one long acting opiates. Its just the price one pays. This is one reason I decided that I didn't want life long maintenance. Now two yrs clean... my sex drive maybe coming back.. Not sure yet.

I did get a big come back after my iboga tx. That lasted for a while but paws came back and sex drive left again. I may do another reset. Right now... other things are more important. But... just wanted to let everyone know... read more about bmt/mmt. No cure for addiction as of yet... just better living conditions with some treatments. There are always prices to pay with any medication. Some harder the other to live with.


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srry for the repeat... this site is not that user friendly...not sure what key I hit that either throw me off or put half finish post up. Not my pc I know.


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