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Hi All,
I've been off all opiates for 25 days and I'm experiencing severe anxiety. I'm not taking anything else...and was wondering if a months worth of benzos or Nerontin or something would help with getting over the hump. I don't really like benzos and they have never done much for anxiety in the past. I was taking Nerontin for a month during the last part of my taper and it seemed to help a bit. Any ideas?
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Gabatrol (or anything with phenibut) taken in moderation, or only in times when you absolutely need to function. I would not suggest use more than 2 days a week. For some sleep, high quality kava kava root powder...it will help. It will actually help with the anxiety also. I would steer clear of the benzos, at least from personal experience.

Clonodine and diphenhydramine in combination can help also. There are many things that can help, that is just a few.

At night, I would suggest magnesium before bed in a high dose. Source Naturals makes a product called Magnesium Serene and it is awesome. You can also drink or even smoke chamomile to ease the tension a bit.

The gabatrol that I mentioned is pretty hardcore and you might feel too good and end up addicted to the shit. It happened to me before I even knew what it was. I took it for 2 weeks thinking it was a natural supplement and that I was just doing well. When I discontinued after learning more about it, I had insane rebound anxiety and insomnia and went straight for the benzos. Ended up abusing klonopin (12mg per day) for a few weeks and finally saw a Psychiatrist who is in AA and would like to see me off of all meds. He started me on a diazepam taper and I went from 40mg to 20mg per day over 2 weeks and am doing alright. That is where I am and I wish I would've known more about the gabatrol, I think I'd be clean today if I had known. It is safe if used properly and well researched, but must be cycled and used rarely.

I came off of sub after 3.5 years back around June and have been opiate free since. Now I have to get these damn benzos out of my system. If I didn't have a fast-paced corporate job I would just CT the shit right now and suffer for a week or so. I haven't been on them that long (3 months on and off total, but sometimes in extreme doses).

All I can really suggest is that you really do your homework before ingesting something to feel better. The information is available and has helped me tremendously.

Good luck and congrats on being opiate free 25 days...it isn't easy. The methadone doctors told me that with my habit and attitude I would be on the crap until the day I died. I proved them wrong. Suboxone may've helped save my life, I don't know, but I don't like that crap either and am glad to be off of it. In fact, I don't like any of the crap and can't wait to be off of the diazepam; no more substituting one drug for another. I have 3 weeks off during the holidays so I know there is no excuse not to be clean or getting clean by then. For me, clean is all pharmaceuticals out of my body. This might not be the view of others and I respect that...it's just for me. Some of us need meds as I do at the moment.

Again, good luck and keep on the right path :D


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Hey jules,

When I quit Suboxone, I had extreme anxiety for a week or two, then it eased up a bit, but was still certainly present. 30 days off of Suboxone, I started on Clonidine (a blood pressure med that's prescribed off label for opiate wd). I understand that Clonidine calms the Sympathetic Nervous System. Anyway, the difference from before I started taking Clonidine, to after, was like night and day. Now, it didn't eliminate all of my anxiety, or all of my wd symptoms, for that matter, but it sure knocked all those suckers down a peg or two.

I was prescribed .1mg, twice daily. I took Clonidine for months and months and months and when it came time to quit, I cut my dose in half for a week or so, then quit taking it and I suffered no ill effects at all. Clonidine is non habit forming, just an FYI.

As for Benzo's, they never did anything for me either, but I did take Xanax for a week or so during my early wd. I think (?) they helped a bit, but that's it. I was so damn afraid of getting hooked on them that I only took a few of them really.

I really don't have any experience with Neurontin, so I won't comment on it.

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I'm on day 12 and I do understand the horrible anxiety...like I stated in a previous post to me its worse than having my head in the toilet....I did sommething foolish I went back to pills my favs peerks...don't do that! My other half fdound some klonopins 1mg I take a fourth of tablet @ night and mostly first thing in the morningalso I have found benadryl has a calming effect and it also helps with the never ending sneezing ughhhhh. I plan on going back on my subs due to my relaspe....try the klonopin or ativan with caution using as little as possible...they can be addictive.


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Just like to chime in,
Stay away from benzos and neurontin phenibut and the like unless you use only sparingly. The addiction potential for these things is high and the withdrawals can last over a year. Try going a year with sever unexplained anxiety and 3 hours sleep a night. At least be careful, no sense in trading one nightmare for another.

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I looked up phenibut, is that some type of drug? never heard of it


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I'm with night.

What you're experiencing sounds like the knee-jerk want to medicate "the void". When you come off opioids, esp long-acting opioids which stay in your system 24/7 for years, you really do feel like a fish-out-of-water... Literally. You can feel naked. This is why you're fertile ground for cross-addiction right now. So many people turn to alcohol, they turn to benzos to try and feel better, and feel "normal".

If you wanna medicate PAWS with benzos, you'll end up taking it for a lot longer than 1 month. If you stop after a month, you'll come off it with much worse bounce-back anxiety than you would have at 2 months anyway. This "hump" you speak of isn't a hump... it's more like a hill you gotta climb that very slowly declines over 1-2 years. If you wanna medicate that hill, you'll end up dependent on benzos.

I'd stick to non-addictive treatments. You gotta "break in" that addictive circuit and get control over it, and the way to do that is to stop feeding it. Swimming would be my medicine. There's also non-addictive medications with anti-anxiety aspects like SNRI's (dependence forming but not addictive), tricyclic anti-depressants, some anti-psychotics (questionable). But the main thing would be exercise.

How crippling is the anxiety? If you're really finding it hard to function at work, pay the bills, shop or leave the house ... and you're completely crumbling, then medication may be needed. But if you can leave the house, shop, work, take care of your affairs ... then the rest - ie socialising, leisure - will get better with time.

Even if I didn't like 12-step meetings, at least when I went there in "early recovery", people understood the state I was in. I didn't have to feel bad about my sweaty palms and self-consciousness because the moment I ID'd as 21 days clean they all knew exactly what state I was in.


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I'd say along with others that this is very common.

What else I will say is that if you take BENZOS it will probably not end very well. Both referncing myself, as well as others I've seen go through treatment, and I will say that I have seen more people relapse from taking benzos than anything else. Myself included. Cannot tell you how many people I watch deal with that anxiety with a half stick of xanax, and next thing you know its 3 months later, they have no memory of the past span of time, and they only "woke up" because they relapsed and were disgusted with it.

My last relapse was all started with one benzo pill. Woke up a week later with literally no memory or money. Not worth it IMO. Something about benzos, its worse than alcohol even from what I've seen (and experienced). Because its "kinda close" to what you really like, but far enough away that you get that craving, BAD.

Just be careful whatever you do.


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Hi I am 64 days off subs and I can SO relate to the anxiety now two months later I finally feel that fog lift but in the beginning... OMG. I get it, the want of a benzo I really do my advice IF it gets that bad talk to a doctor about the benzos I took nothing it was horrible the worst part of my detox was the anxiety. That is a slippery slope to travel because of our addict behaviors but if you and your Doctor have to decide the best action.. meaning NOT just you as the Doctor. lol


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