Suboxone Forum

Juggling Bup vs Sub Post Op

rule62 — Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:11 am

Author: rule62

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:11 am

DOQ, there are three strengths for the patch. They recommend the 5mcg for opiate naive patients, the 10 for those on regular opiates up to 30mgs. And the 20mcg is for those on over 30mgs of Morphine. That still doesn't sound correct but maybe it works.

What I do know is today I feel really good. It's either the Bup kicked in or the Lyrica, or both combined. But I did more work today since my surgery and didn't feel the need for a mid noon nap. Feel normal/regular, not high at all.

Slipper, you always fight so hard for my rights. Will you be my lawyer? You're kind of like my alter-ego. Saying things I'd love to say but keep my mouth shut. Thanks, you rock.

Sweet, I am going to call on Monday to make an appt. with my PCP/Sub Dr. I was supposed to see him anyway after my surgery so I'll ask to be put back on Sub again. Plus I need some scripts refilled anyway. And for some reason my blood pressure is way too high. Cannot figure out why except maybe the stress of going through cancer treatment. I started taking the Clonidine he gave me for w/d's to try to lower it until I get a better med. I'm talking 164/114. The best I can get it down to is 153/94. My normal is 128/80, or there about. Those are bad numbers and a walking stroke here. Shit, I'll beat cancer and have a stroke from the stress of it all! Or it may just be this going back and forth from Sub to opiates. Mongo don't know, Mongo only pawn in game of life.

Oh, and the pain doc also said a person needs to be off Sub for two weeks before pain meds will work again. That does sound about right if you are taking around 8mg's. It only took a week for stopping at 1mg. Good info though I've heard it before, here I think.

Thanks Guys,

Rule

Suboxone - Low Testosterone and Increased Prolactin

diebythedrop — Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:42 pm

Author: diebythedrop

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:42 pm

I'm not so sure about the Prolactin issues, but Suboxone does make you really, really tired. I started out at 16 mgs a day and now I'm at 2-6. I still get slightly drowsy but nothing a cup of coffee won't fix I used to rarely drink coffee, maybe once a month. Now I need at least 2 cups a day.

Also, my sex drive is has lowered quite a bit. The weight gain thing has me really baffled. I don't eat much at all (not by choice, I work a lot so I don't get to eat too often), and I don't seem to lose weight at all. I'm on my feet running around all day at work and my weight has been the exact same for years. Even after I stopped drinking and quit my sit down 20 hours a day job.

Hope that helps!

hello/new

diebythedrop — Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:29 pm

Author: diebythedrop

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:29 pm

Hello! I just found this forum and I am excited to ask questions and talk about Suboxone. I have been on the medication for approx. 2 years as well as my boyfriend. This medication has helped me so much. My life has changed drastically since I began the medication. I do have some questions/concerns which I am saving for the appropriate forums. Feel free to ask me any questions!

Thanks,
Dani

Stopping suboxone 30 hours...no fun

tearj3rker — Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:11 pm

Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:11 pm

If you can manage to take your pain medications as prescribed, and control any urges to take more than you need... MAYBE you may not need Suboxone?

It takes a lot of conviction to be able to take pain managing doses of opiates and resist the urge to abuse them. If you have that kind of conviction, it's a good sign I think.

WHY SICK

tearj3rker — Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:04 pm

Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:04 pm

I've found a happy medium for now.

For me, the problem was worse with once daily dosing. Twice daily reduced the problem a bit. I get the feeling that for me, higher doses don't increase the half-life as much as it should. If I dosed once a day, I'd wake up in the morning a bit sweaty with the kicks, and hate the thought of getting out of the shower into the cold. With twice daily, the issue isn't as noticeable. The other thing that really helped was figuring out which medications caused the problems, and changing them accordingly. It seemed anti-depressants (Cymbalta / Effexor / Pristiq) and Epilim / Depakote played a big role. But a lot of other medications can do it to lesser degrees.

For me, I can get by on a lower dose with twice daily dosing, ie 12mg. When I dose once daily, I need 16+mg to get 24 hour cover.

Suboxone and joint pains especially at night...

tearj3rker — Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:55 pm

Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:55 pm

Wow. The pain must have been bad, if the pain of withdrawal is relative relief.

Just goes to show that the side-effects of any drug can be unique for each person. Just because it's not documented doesn't mean it's not possible, I spose.

Adderall

gunkdawg — Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:14 pm

Author: gunkdawg

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:14 pm

I took adrenal 30mg during opiate WDs to help with the malaise, seemed to help.

Suboxone Film strips and Barcardi 151

gunkdawg — Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:10 pm

Author: gunkdawg

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:10 pm

@tearjerker: lol! I don't drink so yeah i just spit it out. My drinking days are done But yeah, wasting B151 is a shame :p

@hatmaker: I've heard that too. I just let them dissolve under my tongue all over (the strips) then when it's done dissolving i swish the mixture around in my mouth. I think, although I'm not sure, that the tablets are easier to dissolve and "paint" the goop all over the roof/gums/cheeks. I've never taken the tabs but that is my impression. It's hard to spread a sticky tiny goop of sub strip around my entire mouth, maybe some can but I don't even try as I think I'll just end up sticking to my teeth and lose BA, etc…

As to listerine vs bacardi 151… i'll take alcohol over listerine. I'd rather not have the other chemicals listerine contains in my mouth. I don't know if 30% alcohol is better than 70% for absorption but it would seem like it is. Eh.

Found out im pregnant and taking 2mg (un-subscribed) subox.

nervousmtb — Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:06 pm

Author: nervousmtb

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:06 pm

Hello all! Thank you for all of your replys. Im going to take everyones advise and call up a local sub doctor monday and hopefully I will be accepted being pregnant and all. Im the kind of person that makes WD's worse then they are and everytime I think of this whole situation Im in, I get anxious and half the time start crying. I dont think I would be able to just stop on my own without my mind going crazy thinking what im possibly doing to my unborn baby. Will the doctor accept me if I tell him I was taking sub from a friend being the situation im in? My mind is running crazy thoughts. And if I happen to still be on a very low low dose at the time of pregnancy, does CPS always get involved even though you have a legit prescrition? Im not familiar with that whole situation of when they are called and involved and when they are not. Uggghhhhh ... so many things going through my head. I told my husband after I took three pregnancy tests what I had been doing. Surprisingly he wasnt mad due to the fact of how happy he was that I was pregnant, and how hes been wanting a child for as long as weve been together. But, I told him the dose I was doing, andf he always says that I dont have a problem , that its such a small dose I can easily just stop, obviously he doesnt know anything about the drug and thinks the past times ive been through WD's, have been all in my head. Sure , maybe I do make them alittle worse but It was not ONLY in my head, I def felt sick. I wish I can just calm down and stop thinking so much, I dnt know what can make that happen. Ill have to just try very hard. And hope for only positive things. Ill let everyone know what happens after I make my phone call to sub docs on Monday . I can only hope my OB doc and sub doc are understanding and experienced in this area. Thank You all again for your support and advise. I will talk to everyone soon.--

--nervousmothertobe

Need some recommendations on some inpatient detox facilities

u2star — Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:36 pm

Author: u2star

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:36 pm

downing2b wrote:

Hi Ya'll,

I've been on subs for a while (3 years or so) and am down to .50mgs once a day. I would like to go to a detox facility (to quit the sub completely) that offers spiritual type settings and one on one therapy, exercise and a medically supervised detox. I would like to be given meds if necessary to get me through, anti- diarrhea, anti nausea, meds for sleeping and or anxiety, which I've always had along with depression. I don't want to sit at home by myself and go through these wd's. I'd prefer to be with others going through the same thing and work with addiction specialists. I have insurance and even though i'm on the east coast, I'll go anywhere warm, 30 days or more.

Can anybody refer me to a nice rehab facility that has good reputation?

Thanks in advance,
Downing

Caron Texas (Google) Excellent facility!

I need help starting suboxone

Breezy_Ann — Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:14 pm

Author: Breezy_Ann

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:14 pm

Hat posted a link to it. Look back in the thread, it's at the very beginning of one of her posts. If u have any questions after reading it let us know.

Scared. 59 years old. addicted to valium and vicodin

u2star — Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:58 am

Author: u2star

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:58 am

Mary-

How are you doing???? I wanted to mention it would be best if you saw a psychiatrist that treats addiction. I say this because he can prescribe you something non-addictive to help with your valium withdrawal. Something that will help your anxiety and your chance of seizures while coming off. Keep us posted. I know how you feel.

Diane
B.K.

"Vertigo" and "Falling-Out" Feelings

hatmaker510 — Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:24 am

Author: hatmaker510

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:24 am

I just responded to you on this somewhere else on the forum; you must have double-posted this.

My first thought was the same as Breezy....you were put on way too high a dose. You needed to be adjusted down and in my opinion if you had been, those effects would have very likely gone away. Like many other meds, they need to be given a few days to adjust sometimes. It's a shame you weren't given the correct dose, because suboxone may have worked well for you, if dosed right and if given the chance to work.

I'm sorry that it didn't work out the way you had hoped. Good luck to you!

32mg too much?

rob — Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:03 am

Author: rob

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:03 am

Quote:

It is really too much dude

I don't know if it is really too much. Every body could work in a different way.
I personally never needed more than 8mg. If 8mg was not enough, than I had first taper down with heroin or methadone. When my consumption of heroin or methadone was too high, beprenorphine didn't work for me. I just helped a little but actually I was still feeling bad - no matter how much beprenorphine I took.

I friend of mine is has an illness that is called ADHS (in Geman). I don't know if it's the exact word but I should mean something like "attention deficit disorder with hyperactivity". As many people with illness, he tried to cure himself wit alcohol and drugs. Now he stopped heroin and started to take suboxone. He did not take really high heroin doses but now he needs 32mg suboxone to feel good. Something in his body seems to work different.
If I take diazepam, I will get tired. If he takes it, it will work as methamphetamine for me. And if he takes methamphetamine, he will get quiet and tired.

So Suboxone need not to work the same way in everybody. So I could be possible that some people need much more than others.
But my personal experience is: If 8mg do not help, more will not help either. Suboxone only works for my when I am low dosed on opiods.

Fiance's last day on suboxone

hatmaker510 — Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:24 am

Author: hatmaker510

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:24 am

The first thing I want to say is that there is no "recommended" time frame to be on suboxone for. It's individualized for each person. Three years is NOT "too long". The main thing that will give anyone the best hope for success (remaining in remission after stopping suboxone), is that the person is truly READY and PREPARED to stop the med - not because someone else is pushing them to do it. I certainly mean no offense. But from what I'm reading, I keep hearing that YOU think it's too long, YOU think it's his security blanket....what does HE think and feel about his suboxone?

Let me put it to you this way. If he broke his leg badly and needed to be in a full leg cast for months and months, after which he'd then have to use crutches. All this "rehab" he would need in order to be ready for his upcoming (hypothetical) "marathon". The more rehab he's had and the more prepared and the more HELP he's had from the cast and the crutches HELPED him to prepare for that upcoming race. Look at suboxone that way. It's been a HELP to him. I'm saying this because it almost sounds like you dislike him being on it.

Please know I'm not saying this to be mean. I want your fiance to succeed! And I know you do to! By succeed, again, I mean that when he stops suboxone, that he doesn't end up relapsing and going back on opiates.

As for his withdrawals, could you tell us what dose he's on and what kind of taper he's been doing? The more info you can offer with regard to his prior dose, how he tapered, what does he was last on, when he dropped it last, all that stuff, then I think we can help him/you to taper better and with less suffering on his part.

*On a technical note, I notice you said you also posted this in a different section/category of the forum. In the future, if you could just leave it in one section, that would be great. One of us moderators can always move the whole thread into the right category. But as it stands now, you have two threads going and responses to both in two different places and I can't fix that. Just know it might get confusing and you might have the same people responding in both places.

If anyone has an issue with putting something in a different category or needs a thread moved or anything like that, just give one of the moderators a PM and we'll address it as best we are able.