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 Post subject: Restarting suboxone
PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:01 pm 
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Again, a post from Toad-- moved to hear from a different area.

Do you think it would be ok tomorrow - 24hours after my last opiate to start up the suboxone again? I will probably start on a very low dose. I am always sick in the mornings since I stopped the suboxone and cant do anything until I take a pill. I would rather take a vico than suboxone as it maybe easier to come off of. I really think taking the suboxone this long has ruined my chances of feeling good on Pain killers so I am going to probably stop for good since its no fun anymore.

About the antidepressants, yes, paxil and Cymbalta has helped tremendously but I have the lack of feelings that everyone has. I have tried everything and was told there wasnt anything more to try but the older meds which docs around here dont like to prescribe. The euphoria from the Pain Killers makes me have those feelings except now they dont do that for me.

I will start posting on your site. Thanks.


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 Post subject: Enough already
PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:42 pm 
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Toad, I seriously recommend that you pull things together-- you are at a point with the using where bad things sometimes happen. Relapses tend to have less 'order' than the original use had. During relapses the use is more impulsive-- the addict will hold things together as the pressure builds, and then use with abandon. The user can eventually feel 'lost', not sure if they are going up or coming down. The person may become depressed. The person may just not care anymore, and other people see that something is not right.

Especially given your comments about your job, it is important that you get back on schedule, and Suboxone makes that pretty easy. Yes, you should be OK after 24 hours, assuming that you have not taken a long acting medication like methadone. I recommend that you take a full dose, though, or at least 8 mg. At the receptor, drugs compete with each other based on their concentrations and affinities for the receptor. When taking Subxone at the regular dose it will out-compete the other drugs, bind up the opiate receptors, and make you feel 'stable'. If you take a very small dose of Suboxone shortly after other drugs you will have competition at the receptor that allows both drugs to take turns having effects-- that may make you feel waves upon waves of withdrawal symptoms.


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Thank you for your answer. I quite my last opiate yesterday at noon and this morning I couldnt even move. I had to help the wife get the kids ready for school and wasnt any help. Mainly stomach problems in the morning.

I started thinking that maybe I should just suffer through these few days and it will be over. I really dont want the pain killers anymore- yes I do miss the feelings, but they are not there anymore.

Instead of sticking it out, I took a total of 4 mg of subox and seeing what that will do. I am at least off the couch and on the computer and want to eat.

Sub is not easier to withdrawal from than opiates, I know I probably should have just stuck it out with the opiates.

Anyway, we are moving to Europe in April and I will start a new life with my family there and will have to deal with coming off the subox there.


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