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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:41 pm 
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Hi all, I just found this little community and I must say out of the one's I have seen it seems to be the most positive, not filled with doom and gloom.

So I want to start weening myself off of 16mg's/day. I spoke to my doctor and he wanted to take me down to 4mg but I managed to tak him into giving me 40 8mg doses (I see him every 30 days). So for most of the month I was able to take 8mg in the morning and half a pill (4mg) at night. I felt okay for the most part but by the second week I started feeling a bit sluggish. With 4 days left in the month I was down to my last 4 pills. Those four days were pretty miserable. The last day before seeing him I felt horrible and my body reacted the way it did when I was kicking heroin. Not good. Not as intense but psychologically it was almost as bad and I kept expecting worse. Some things the body and mind remembers and reacts accordingly.

When I went to see him yesterday he couldn't remember what we had discussed so I just told him to give me the regular prescription of 60 like I've been taking for the past 2+ years.

So tonight I decided to see what I can find on the web and until I found this forum started getting very depressed about the whole thing. For me Suboxone was a Godsend. I had a 15+ year heroin addiction that brought me to some very dark places, places I never want to revisit. Suboxone gave me the opportunity to reclaim my life. I now have a freelance web development and design business and I'm going to school for my bachelors in science in web design/development. But I have to be honest with myself that I could not work or do my school work since Saturday.

All the physical stuff I was going through really brought back some flashbacks and showed me that if I'm not careful, relapse is not an impossibility, it scares the hell out of me.

Since my doctor is good at prescribing meds and obviously not very good and weening/detoxing (He's a pain specialist by the way) I figure I need to do this my way while still getting my regular dose from him. Cost-wise it doesn't matter I would pay the same thing for 10 pills as I do for 60.

So I'm thinking that since going from 16mg to 12mg wasn't that bad and allowed me to function I plan to do the same thing for the next 30 days and with my next refill go down to 10mg for 30 days then keep going down 2mg per month until I can be comfortable with 2 to 4 mg's a day. Then it sounds like it can get scary and since that's a long way off yet I'm ready to start planning it.

I would love some feedback from anyone who's been through it successfully or otherwise. Does this sound like a good plan?

Hope to hear from you guys soon.

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I too was on 16 and have weaned myself down to 6. No big problems, a little anxiety but my doctor kicks ass and gave me vistral for it and it helps. Its not like xanac's or kp's which is a good then. I too went down 2mg a month like you plan to. I plan to jump at 2, I know that other people like to get down to .2 and then jump but to me thats just torturing myself.

My doc has told me he would prescrib me clondine and trazadone when I jump so I'm really happy about that. That is what the gave me a IOP and it made it so much better. I really like what you said about planning ahead. I think that is very important. When I hit rock bottom with H and pills there was no plan in place ( Im sure most stories are the same ) When I get to where Im going to jump I plan to take two weeks off work and have my mother in law come stay to help with the fam so I dont have to worry about to much but getting better. One more thing, I take HTP ( amino acid you can at CVS )the week of decreasing it helps me out a bunch. Good Luck and remeber to take it one step at a time.


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HI suboxenstein and welcome (cool username btw). I'm glad you've found the forum so positive and informative, as that's what we try to project). I think dropping by two mg starting at 16 is a safe plan. So if you first go to 14, you should be fine to stay there for for 30 day is probably best for you. Most people don't feel the drops between 16 down to about 8 mg, but it seems you do so you're a bit different.

Once you get down to about 8 mg, I would suggest you start dropping by about 10% each time (Dr. Junig's recommendation). Give your body/brain plenty of time to adjust to the drop. And be flexible - listen to your body. If you plan your taper and set it in stone I don't believe you'll have as much success. If you taper properly and slowly, you CAN do it without feeling the drops or feeling them very little. There are people here who did it slowly and when they got very low switched to a liquid taper (for more exact measuring of doses) and barely felt withdrawals when they jumped). Doing the taper that way reduces not only your chances of having acute withdrawals but also PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrome).

All this said, I have not tapered, but this is information I've learned from being here for nearly two years, both from members of the forum and from Dr. Junig. Be careful of the horror stories. Suboxone withdrawal is doable and usually nowhere near as bad as full agonists. The thing is, as addicts, it's almost never possible for us to taper off our DOC, but with suboxone because we're not chasing a high, tapering off IS POSSIBLE. So try to stay away from those anti-sub sites and the doom and gloom as you said.

Again, welcome and I hope this helps. I'm sure others who have already tapered will come along and share their success stories. Also, there's a "sticky" at the top of the "Stopping suboxone" topic/category for the "Liquefied taper" thread. You might want to check some of those stories. It's a pretty long thread though - be forewarned - lol.

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That sounds like a good plan. I'm just wondering, do you want to wean all the way off, and if so why? If it is due to side effects you might want to consider just weaning down to the lowest effective dose. Four mg is generally accepted to be the minimum dose to still be at the ceiling level. Many people do well at that dose and don't taper all the off. Just a thought. Good luck,
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Hi and Welcome, suboxstein!

I am tapering too...began on March 7th. I am down to 10-12 mgs/day (depends on how the pill halves LOL) from 24 mgs a month ago. I feel I am really doing very well!
I've been keeping a taper thread in which I could record my experiences to help others in the future. I, like you, was disheartened by what I saw on the internet...though I did know two people who were successful in getting off Subs, they had not been on them as long as me (but one was an opiate addict longer).

In my view, 80% of this is going to be mental and 20% physical. I think our minds are very powerful and we can literally "think" our way through a good experience or a bad one. I am choosing GOOD :)

Please join us in your taper....good people here who are interested and will support you. I plan to taper on down to a solid 10 mgs tomorrow (going to get a pill cutter tonight). I'm tapering quickly from the high dosage but in following the advice of Dr J. and hatmaker, am going to taper slowly once I get to 4 mgs.

Glad to have you here and best wishes.


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Thank you all for your input.

@Lillyval Interesting point. I have thought about weening down to a small dose and staying on it but after giving it some serious thought I decided I want to be completely drug free. Any time you have to rely on a drug, whether legal or not, you are chained to it beyond normal reason. My wife and I want to start traveling again and Suboxone is one thing I don't want to worry about. While I'm sure it's available in many countries it may not be so easy to get if you are a traveler.

But beyond that Suboxone has had an effect on my daily life. It has made me more sedentary, I've gained a lot of weight that I'm having a very difficult time taking off and it has put my libido completely to sleep. I get sweats at the most inappropriate times and in general I sweat more than I normally would. My sleep pattern is terrible. I've tried a couple different sleep aids but none work for me. They make me woozy and tired but don't keep me asleed for any longer than 1 to 2 hours at a time. Plus I really don't want to take sleep aids at all. Because of the sleep problems I tend to fall asleep at my desk without any warning. It's very difficult to get through any kind of video tutorials or lessons I now have to watch for class. I usually have to watch them at least 3 or 4 times. All this is very frustrating.

So yeah, I think after 2+ years it's time to start getting off this stuff. Like I said in my OP, it was a Godsend but it's becoming a very heavy ball and chain.

Cheers!


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I was on it for 2.5 years. My advice is not too jump until your're completley confident. Get down to the point where ur taking 1mg for a few weeks. When I went from 2mg to 1mg, i had a 4day stretch where i felt kind of shitty but its bearable. Personally i don't see much difference of jumping at 1mg or .25mg. that's just my exp. Been 13 days now and I'm feeling a million times better. First 5 days werent bad at all. I know everyone is different but when ur ready to stop, you will know it. Just stay positive....one day at a time. Once u jump and you are marking those days off on your calendar, it feels great. I too gained weight while on subs it but I gained weight while on Oxy's too so it was probably just my eating habits/drinking while on both.

Stay away from the doom and gloom posts lol. Theyre helpful but can make u mental. I was expecting all hell and then some but it wasnt. Good luck man!


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