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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:45 pm 
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Using psychic waves to give you positive reinforcement to stop that nasty habit.

How many posts do you predict before you finally quit? It's up to 80 already. At this rate you'll have over 500 messages telling you to give it up. (just a guess)

Feel free to call me when you stop if you need someone for support. Start looking for triggers that you can change or avoid when the day comes.

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Psychic waves received and processed and Holy Shit if I'm not going to hit 14 today!!! In 3 short weeks, I've cut my cig's from 28 a day to 14......that's half!!! Had anyone told me 3 weeks ago that I'd be at 14 cig's today I would have laughed so fucking hard I would have pee'd my pants, but here I am at 14!! WOO-HOO!!!

Thank you all so much for the support and words of wisdom, they're appreciated greatly.

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Good job rom. Do you feel alot different??


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Hey mojo......I wouldn't say I feel a lot different, but I definitely feel different. Sleeping better, can smell better, a bit more energy. Enough of a difference to keep me going!

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Keep doing what you are doing Romeo! I know you are strong, and smart, and now that you are more "aware" of your smoking, you can and will kick it's butt...in your (and God's) own time. I have faith in you both.
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OMG i love that quote ! Rca

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Goodness gracious I'm fighting through a massive fucking craving for pills.

I had a using dream last night, first one of those I've had in for-fucking-ever. I didn't think much about it until this craving hit about 1/2 hour ago.

Last time I tried quitting cig's, I tried cold turkey and this is about the shit I had to deal with. I've been pushing this cig taper too hard. I'm backing off and I'm going to hang right in and around where I'm at for a while. Fuckin' nicotine addiction, pill addiction.....

A few more minutes of work, then I can get my ass to the gym and burn this fucking craving out.

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Hang in there, Romes! We love you and want what is best for you! Try not to go high hog on the ciggies, but do what you need to do!

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I gotta tell ya Romeo, I know exactly how you're feeling right now. I've got some pretty serious BULLSHIT going on right now with my boys and ex and was surprised as hell that even after nine months of pretty solid recovery work, my first damn thought was " man it'd be awesome to catch a buzz and not feel this crap a while". but I remember a wise person eh hem,.... " you", instrumental in my recovery, reminding me that using would only make matters worse, and playing the whole tape through, to it's natural sorry conclusion, and I snapped out of it pretty quick, you will too my friend. We're here for you man! like you said, it takes courage to admit that craving and resist giving in to it! FUCK ADDICTION! YOU GOT THIS!

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Thanks ladies, much appreciated!!

I've obviously got some work to do as I lower my cig use. I'm not giving up, not by a long shot, but I'm going to have to put more thought and overall effort into this.

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lizzieshug2013 wrote:
I gotta tell ya Romeo, I know exactly how you're feeling right now. I've got some pretty serious BULLSHIT going on right now with my boys and ex and was surprised as hell that even after nine months of pretty solid recovery work, my first damn thought was " man it'd be awesome to catch a buzz and not feel this crap a while". but I remember a wise person eh hem,.... " you", instrumental in my recovery, reminding me that using would only make matters worse, and playing the whole tape through, to it's natural sorry conclusion, and I snapped out of it pretty quick, you will too my friend. We're here for you man! like you said, it takes courage to admit that craving and resist giving in to it! FUCK ADDICTION! YOU GOT THIS!

Lizzie


Hi Lizzie! Yeah, drama overload in my personal life can set me off too. It always starts with the rationalization "I need a vacation from reality", thinking I can get away with doing it just once, like a trip to the Bahamas, but fortunately in the past, when I had accumulated clean time, I would do something healthy, like have a talk with my sponsor and it would pass. Or just distracting myself with something like a good sci fi/fantasy book that was literally "out of this world" story-wise, would even help sometimes for that "vacation from reality", until 'that too had passed'. (My sponsor has almost over 40 years clean & sober, he started out in the AA program as an older teen after becoming a fifth a day blackout drinker and pill popper, before barely managing to finish high school) and has never stopped staying that way - tirelessly working 12 step seems to be the key for him, and he still hits at least 3-4 meetings a week).

Hang in there Romeo! Yeah, stay at your current level longer, if you're getting cravings. That reminded me of the time I tried Chantix, and after a week off of tobacco, I got a strong urge to use cocaine, which wasn't even my DOC. And don't forget to give my earlier suggestions some consideration. At least the additive free tobacco, if nothing else (such as making your own with the Gizeh carbon filter tubes). American Spirit makes one version in their tobacco line, that has an activated charcoal filter. It isn't advertised or mentioned on the cigarette box, cuz of the whole "safer cigarette" legal rules and potential litigation, etc. But breaking one open (which I had done) confirms it has a charcoal filter between two pieces of the regular filter material. Anyway, It is their Perique blend that comes in a "gray" box. It is the only one out of their dozen+ varieties that has a charcoal filter. The full strength Perique blend comes in a black box, but no charcoal filters. Depending on where one lives, for some reason it can sometimes be difficult to find the gray box (lighter) Perique version off the shelf, even in many tobacco stores that carry American Spirit, even though the full strength Perique blend (without activated charcoal filter) is fairly common, especially at tobacco shops. I'm sure a tobacco store that carries the American Spirit brand will special order the gray box version for you (if they don't have them already), if you say you'll be a regular customer and buy exclusively from them (at least until you taper down and quit, heh), or you could price compare for an Internet source?

As an side, I think it's illegal now for tobacco companies to advertise cigs as being "medium", "light", "extra light", etc., now, but everybody knows what the different box shades mean. American Spirit carries something else that's not a Perique blend (either the Black or Gray w/charcoal filter), that looks grayish, so make sure it's the Perique blend, if you try this.


This is what you want for premades with additive-free tobacco and activated-carbon filter:

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I think it might really help over time, with cutting down, to switch to something that doesn't have other stuff added to them, some of which are intended to make them more addictive/intense/(or whatever).
Over 4000 additives that they can use and not disclose on package, according to last "additive count" that I read.

As far as the fire safe chemical added to paper, American Spirit has to comply with fire hazard regs regarding additives to paper, but just as I heard about the grey box perique blend having charcoal filters, I also heard through the rumor mill on street, that they use some derivative of seaweed instead of "carpet glue", but once again, make no claims or official mention of it on their packaging (or other promotional literature), because of liability of even insinuating that their cigs are in any way safer (hence the warnings that "additive free doesn't mean safer" on all of their cig boxes, for legal reasons). A woman on the "city data" forums, claims to have called the company on more than one occasion, and spoke with a rep to get confirmation of this, regarding the Alginic acid (seaweed derivative) to comply with the regs (instead of what everybody calls "carpet glue", that other manufacturers use): See forum excerpt below:


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O.K. .... so i just called them again and received the same information as before.
They use something called alginate which is a derivative of seaweed.

more @ http://www.city-data.com/forum/health-w ... st10993196


They seem to rely on word of mouth spreading, for things about their fire safe paper additive being a safer seaweed derivative, as well as the version with the charcoal filter. Calling seems to be only way to get confirmation (or testing for oneself, like I did with the grey perique blend...although I can't afford to pay a lab to test the paper out for a fact finding mission).


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:48 pm 
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Ah, there is also this (regarding American Spirit paper chemicals) that turned up on a googly-based research mission:


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Here's what the makers of American Spirit say concerning their FSC compliance...


Dear Guy,

Thank you for your email and for your interest in our Fire Standards Compliant (FSC) cigarettes. Please find the information on our Natural American Spirit FSC cigarettes listed below. We do not have information on the production methods or ingredients used by other tobacco companies. If you have any additional questions please feel free to call us at 1-800-332-5595 and any of our Customer Care specialists will be happy to assist you personally. Our normal office hours are 6am to 8:30pm Mountain Time.

"Fire Standards Compliant," (FSC) is a phrase Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Company uses to describe the Natural American Spirit cigarettes that have been tested and have satisfied the requirements of the states of New York, Vermont, California, Oregon, New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts, Illinois, Kentucky, Montana, New Jersey, Connecticut, Maryland, Utah, Alaska, Rhode Island, Washington DC, Minnesota, Delaware, Iowa, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania and Texas. These tests, according to state authorities, measure the tendency of a cigarette to self-extinguish if left unattended. FSC regulations have been in place in several of these states since 2004, and we expect that all states will eventually adopt this law. All tobacco companies are required to abide by this law.

Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Company does not add any chemicals to our tobacco to comply with State fire safety laws. We simply use a new type of flax-based cigarette paper which has built-in “speed bumps.” Two speed bumps are placed in horizontal bands along the length of the cigarette. The burn retardant bands are virtually non-porous. As a result, not enough oxygen can diffuse through the bands to the burning tobacco in order to support the smoldering process. As the lit end burns across these bands, the supply of oxygen is restricted and the cigarette is more likely to self-extinguish.

The material used to create the speed bumps is a natural starch, made from a water based alginate that is an extract of seaweed. This alginate is food use approved, biodegradable and applied to the paper in a water solution. Our Fire Standards Compliant (FSC) cigarettes contain the same amount of tobacco that Natural American Spirit cigarettes always have, and we use only the same premium quality 100% additive-free natural tobacco our customers have come to know and expect.

Thanks again for taking the time to contact us, Guy. We hope this information has been helpful.


Best regards,

The People of Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Company


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Oops. Misinformation (on my part) alert: Seems there are TWO A.S. versions with charcoal filter, according to this apparently branded, facebook listing:

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Another "Medium", w/Celedon colored box?

Best thing to do would be to call the company's toll free number and ask which versions have charcoal filters, rather than buying a pack and breaking to confirm, just in case their product line has been revised.

(See my earlier comments on this thread, that cite studies of Japanese smoker's reduced cancer rates, and possible connection to their wide spread use of activated charcoal filters.)
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/trying to find the ideal "off the shelf" pre-made, harm reduction cigarette.


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Wow boop- next book after "Suboxone Tapering and Withdrawals for Dummies" should be "Cigaret Tapering and Withdrawals for Dummies" (like Romeo- HA HA HA! :lol: )

SO ROMEO!!! How goes it? How many cigs lately? Are you "holding steady according to plan"? Don't be shy- share!
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Romeo, you've made good progress. Stay there for a while (at like 16) and make that your new norm. See what happens from there. Nic fits are awful, my whole body would fill with rage when I was trying to quit. I ended up using the gum a little bit at one point. But when I switched from mdone to sub, cigs just didn't taste very good anymore. I ended up going down to 1 cig on my walk home from work.. Then got a sinus infection one winter. I didn't smoke while I was sick and then just didn't start again. I think I had it really easy. Not sure if I was ever a "real" smoker. I smoked the shit outta cigs when I was high or drinking, but never cared for them too much when I was sober. Anyone else like that?

I'm so glad your middle of the night junk fests have ceased. That always reminded me of loaded behavior. lol

Oh, and the biggest motivation for me to quit was the smell. I hated the way my hands and clothes smelled after smoking.


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15 cig's yesterday, 17 cig's on meltdown day. It's funny how pushing for that 1 less cig to hit 14 got me. Live and learn, eh?

I think hanging around the 15/16 mark for a bit and "stabilizing" here will be a good thing for me.

TD, on meltdown day, I was chewing a piece of gum WHILE smoking a cig at one point!! Talk about nicotine overload. That gum is stronger than ya think!! Yeah, the nighttime sugar fest is a thing of the past as of right now. Actually dropped a few more pounds, too.....imagine that. Who knew that cutting out 1000 calories of chocolate and tater chips at 2am would help me shed a couple more pounds? :)

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Yeah, that gum i strong. I remember wishing it came in even smaller doses than the smallest dose. Alway had weird dreams when I used it, too. That was the problem for me, when I got down to 1 cig, the mic gum was far too much for me. That's when I just needed to stop. lol

You know what a calorie burner is? A baby! No time to eat or sleep.. go.. go.. go! All day long all night long.

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Wow boop- next book after "Suboxone Tapering and Withdrawals for Dummies" should be "Cigaret Tapering and Withdrawals for Dummies" (like Romeo- HA HA HA! :lol: )

SO ROMEO!!! How goes it? How many cigs lately? Are you "holding steady according to plan"? Don't be shy- share!
:D BF


Hrm, anything is possible. I'm just hoping to get Romeo to switch from whatever his favorite brand is (if it was mentioned in the thread, sorry for missing it, Romeo) to something that might make tapering easier (because of lack of additives geared toward making the cigs more addictive), and also would be harm reduction, if the tapering process for him is a long one (plus the info could be good, harm reduction-wise, for anybody who peeps in on this thread, whether or not they harbor any intentions of cutting back, tapering and/or quitting).

Also, switching to a brand one doesn't particularly like, as its not a long time favorite, can help in-and-of itself, regardless of stopping the intake of all the toxic additives. One doesn't look forward to a cig quite as much, if it isn't their favorite brand.


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K Bud, I'm going to look for American Spirit tomorrow. There's a tobacco shop in town and I can ask them about it, too.

Thanks for all the research you've done on behalf of me and all the others who happen on this thread.

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just too add to boop's very detailed information above, we sell, in my store many of the products he spoke of and they are excellent sellers. customers swear by them and that they aren't full of all the addictive additives that current cigs are full of. It makes a bit of sense to me though because I've heard and met many folks here who lived well into their nineties, who never got cancer, copd, etc.. died of natural causes who smoked like chimneys, and many people swore/ swear out it was because cigs in their day, didn't have all the " garbage" in them that cigs of today do. food for thought anyway right? I don't recall the number of added chemicals no boop shoo be doop mentioned in his posts, but some them are out right poisons that we'd never dream of ingesting otherwise. so, may be something to look into. I tried one of these semi home made cigs, and while it wasn't what I was accustomed to, I cannot say it was awful either. would surely take a bit of adjusting too, but it's up to you whether the effort would be worth the payoff in the end. either way, like you say, progress, not perfection, and your doing just that :-) good job!


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