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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:30 pm 
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Hi All,

I got dropped by my suboxone dr. a couple of weeks ago for rescheduling one too many appt.s (God's honest truth). I've been clean off opiates for 7 months but not for long if I can't find a new sub. dr. soon - I live south of Buffalo New York and have called everyone I could find and gone on all clinical trial websites and none are a fit right now -- anyone, please help! I want to stay clean!!!! :!:


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I'm so sorry this happened to you. What do you mean you got terminated due to making too many appointments? Weren't you just making appointments as the doctor had you come in? Or was there an issue with you running out and asking to come in early? (I'm just trying to ascertain what happened.)

Ok, have you tried all of the doctor locators online? (Samhsa.gov, naabt.org, suboxone.com, and suboxone-directory.com). Also, you can check in our forum under the doctor section ("Taking new patients") to see if anyone posted anything about NY doctors (just in case).

Also,you can go to an Emergency Room/Dept and they are allowed to give you 3 days worth of suboxone, without having the DATA 2000 waiver. I know it's only 3 days worth, but it's worth a try.

You can also try cold-calling psychiatrists in your area and just asking them if they prescribe suboxone. I know, it will be time-consuming, but many shrinks do prescribe it but don't advertise it.

Finally, if you have to go out seeking something, please consider getting suboxone instead of full agonist opiates...Hang in there. Let us know how you are doing.

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i had to reschedule too many appt's - sorry I was unclear. They are very strict aout keeping appt's and being on time as part of the contract here in NY.

I didn't know they could give you a 3 day supply in the er!?! :idea: I did get an appt. 4 weeks out and I wound up buying some online from a guy I got some from before so I know he's legit. I won't get those for 2 days though so if I go to the er will they prescribe 8/2 mg. for me do you know?

Thanks again for the support - it helps!

Jen


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Also,you can go to an Emergency Room/Dept and they are allowed to give you 3 days worth of suboxone, without having the DATA 2000 waiver. I know it's only 3 days worth, but it's worth a try.


This is legal, but I would bet every dollar to my name that no emergency room in the US is going to do it. I've heard of people going to the ER in opi w/d, and no one ever got anything better than a handful of Valium, and even that was only once. Usually people get nothing. A whole lotta doctors see opiate addicts as junkie scum..how do you think ER docs feel? They are dealing with gunshot wounds and car accidents and now some junkie is taking up their time? No way, jose..

There was a thread like this on another forum I frequent a couple weeks ago, except the drug in question was methadone and not Sub. The poster asked if the ER would dose her if she missed the clinic, and the masses cried a unanimous "hell, no."

So unfortunately, I have never heard of the emergency room working for friends IRL or people online, ever.

P.S. Obviously, I am not calling anyone a junkie. I am just using that word to show that that is how we are thought of sometimes.

And, most doctors don't even know about that three day rule.


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I agree, I think a person would have a hard time finding a compassionate Dr (especially in the ER) that would give you the 3 day supply. I have only read one post here from someone that went to the ER for this and they did get the script. So it's not impossible but I think unlikely. That doesn't mean you can't try, at least you'll know you've done everything in your power.

I really hope you find a new Dr and can get back on track. Rescheduling appointments seems like a dumb reason to kick someone out of a sub program. Did they warn you if you rescheduled again you would be dismissed? It seems they should have at least been curtious enough to warn you.


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It has been known to happen and I'm going to continue to give all possible resources to everyone who asks.

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it's all good, thanks!


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They don't give you 3 day's worth of Suboxone at the E.D. What they do is dispense the medication to you in E.D., so you have to go there every day to dose. This info. is found on the N.A.A.B.T. website. Steve


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Hi Steve,

Do you know if that rule applies uniformly across all states?

Thanks,
Jen


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Yes, it's Federal. Steve


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I just wanted to clarify my previous post, I think going to the ER is good advice and may help you very much. If it were me and I were in your shoes I would definately give it a try.

I was just commenting on the fact that there are many Drs that don't understand sub and there are many Drs that are biased when it comes to addicts. Like I said, there was only one person I've heard of trying this and they did get subs for 3 days. So I apologize if my previous post made it sound like I thought it was a waste of time. It was not my intention.

I hope you get this figured out and are able to enjoy the holidays!


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I can tell you from my experience with going to the ER in withdrawal and its never been a pretty site. Ive gone a few times and once and only once they gave me a few lorazepam for the anxiety which you know as well as I do they dont even begin touch the symptoms. Ive never heard of an ER Dr. giving out subs. It would be up to the Dr. in the ER and they are NOT addiction specialists so they dont know where to begin. All they know is your in withdrawal and your not going to die from that no matter how much you feel like you are. So out you go. I say its its waste of time and money personally.


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Let's do this folks - instead of critiquing other people's advice, why not give your own advice and support? Isn't that what this is all about? I know we've talked about this before with the last forum blow up. And I thought we all discussed this and agreed that we should back away from attacking other people's advice, instead just responding to the OP and offering them your advice on their situation and YOUR SUPPORT.

A resource is a resource - that's one of the things we do here. It's up to the OP what to take away from the thread and what to leave. It's not up to the members to debate the advice given. Are we trying to overwhelm the OP?

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I sincerely apologize if I came off harsh in my post, Im just getting acclimated on how things work here. It was certainly not my intent, just wanted to let people know my experience with the ER and withdrawal. Ive been treated very poorly in the ER in the past. Ive always felt like the Dr.'s there treated me like a total P.O.S. and looked down the noses at me unwilling to help. Im sure there are ERs out there that give out subs now as its kind of a household name when it comes to opiate addiction. Keep in mind I havent been in the ER in maybe 5-6 years. Suboxone has taken off in this time period so what do I know. It might be worth a shot!


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