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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 3:44 am 
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Hello all

A few months ago, I wrote about a side effect that I was having, and I wasn't sure if it was a side effect from the sub, withdrawal symptoms, or from all the opiods I have taken in the past.

I have been on a constant dose of 12 mgs of suboxone a day, for several months now. But I had these dreams before I was on the sub, even when I was addicted to the vicodin. Strong very real feeling, very vivid dreams, and very scary FEELING dreams. I say feeling, because after I wake up, I not only remember them, but they stick with me. And there not always scary in nature. Sometimes they might be ordinary weird dreams (all dreams are kinda weird) and some times they are actually very scary in nature, like me going back to prison, or me loosing my son. Anyway, when I force myself to wake up from these dreams because that Is what I literraly have to do, I feel so tired and so deep that I can barely lift my head. My eyes feel like they are glued shut, and It take will power to lift myself out of bed, and go down stairs to walk it off. But immediatley after I awake, and for about 5 mins after I am awake I feel these strong "Body Zings" however they feel more like head zings because that is where it is centralized. if I moved my eyeballs my I feel a weird "zing" or a "zap", its very hard to explain. And its not just my eyeballs, it can happen with every step I that I take. I feel very dis oriented for several minutes after I awake, and it almost feels like I am still in the dream. In fact my brain will trick me sometimes and make me dream about me waking up from these, and I will walk around (this is still a dream) only to get sucked back into the crazy feeling dream again. Did I mention that? While I am having the dream, my body feels extremely un comfortable. Achy almost, but not the type of achy I would get if I was in withdrawal. I used to think it was just that, withdrawal symptoms, but then I was having these things even when I was fully medicated on sub. I have asked my prescribing sub Doctor about these, but to be honest I dont think he knows much to tell me. Hes rather old, and straight to the point when prescribing the meds to me, and doesnt even ask a lot of questions. I have told him for the past 3 months that I am ready to start tappering off the sub, and he keeps prescribing the same amount to me, and says "see you in 2 weeks". Does anyone out there have any help, tips, suggestions for me? Is this something I will have to live with for the rest of my life because of my drug Abuse? Will a sedative help you think? Shall I try Ambien?


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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 6:25 am 
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I'm sorry I can't advise you on this, I just started Sub a few days ago, but I hope things get better for you.

I had some pretty weird dreams when I quit drinking. Dreams about astral projection and floating up through the ceiling that really shook me. I know how real it can seem. They did let up in time though. It may be a result of your body clearing out some of the poisons.

Frightening as it can be, it's still a dream and unless it gives you a heart attack isn't likely to kill you. Just don't do something silly when you're awake thinking you're still in a dream.

Again, I hope things get better for you and if the dreams don't let up you at least learn to deal with them in your own way. Don't let it get the best of you. You've come too far.

Good luck.


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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 6:49 am 
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Maybe you need a sleep study done. Sleep issues are not all that complicated today. I'm not a Dr. but I dont think suboxone as a alot to do with this, I hope your wakeing up refreashed though, you will notice 1 thing on this forum, real good sleep is very hard to find, Mike


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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 8:50 am 
I used to be a real vivid dreamer and have experienced many of the same things you described, like "waking up" into the same dream. The drugs and sub have largely taken this away from me. I read up on dreaming, though, and they say most dreams are "bad" as our minds are trying to work out our fears and problems while we're in our deepest sleep. When I had dreams that stayed with me I tried to see what they might be trying to tell me. Like when you dream you're losing your son it doesn't mean you will lose him, but maybe there is something he needs from you. Besides what insight I was able to get from them, I learned to pretty much dismiss the rest.
But I agree with sullimi, if it's interfering with the quality of your life, get a sleep study. Theyre pretty common now.
Good luck.
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I'm sorry you're having such bad dreams! Those are never fun for anyone. Do you have a different family doctor from your sub doc? Have you asked her/him about this? It is possible that a sleep aid might help in that regard, but I'm not a doctor by any means.

I've had dreams like that where it's really hard to shake them off. I've found that the more I work through my "life issues" with my therapist, the more those dreams subside. Like someone said, our dreams are the way our subconscious mind works through our fears. For example, when I have a really good day with my husband, that night I have horrible nightmares about losing him. Because after appreciating him so much, my subconscious mind fears losing him even more. (Did that make sense?)

I agree that if they keep up a sleep study might be in order. They can determine if they are indeed night terrors. Night terrors are different from nightmares in that they happen almost immediately upon falling sleep. During the night terror the dreamer often acts out the dream and can become very violent. From my lay position, it doesn't sound like yours are night terrors, just really, really sucky nightmares.

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I agree a sleep study could be a good idea. So could therapy. I have gone through phases where I have had some extremely vivid, colorful, real dreams. Many of them I still remember. I think therapy is a good place to take these and analyze them. If that doesn't help, then I might consider a sleep study. The therapy is good for you while on suboxone anyways.

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hatmaker510 wrote:

I agree that if they keep up a sleep study might be in order. They can determine if they are indeed night terrors. Night terrors are different from nightmares in that they happen almost immediately upon falling sleep. During the night terror the dreamer often acts out the dream and can become very violent. From my lay position, it doesn't sound like yours are night terrors, just really, really sucky nightmares.

Hang in there!


+1. Night terrors are a totally different animal. My brother and I both had them starting around puberty (even though there is 9 years in age difference between us). My brother's continue to this day, albeit infrequently as they typically mellow out with age, but mine reduced GREATLY when I started taking opiates. That was a big part of what sucked me in to the opiate vortex.

A sleep study can tell you the difference. hatmaker510's description is pretty much straight on for the difference between night terrors and sucky nightmares. When someone is having a night terror, generally that person won't remember the episode and it is VERY difficult to wake the person. My brother and I have broken doors, walls, the banister in the house we grew up in, bathroom fixtures and, horribly, people (I even broke my wife's nose when I was trying to "capture" something near her head while she was trying to wake me. That was a shitty trip to the hospital at 2am). A sleep doctor that worked on both of us as children had patients that sometimes had to be restrained. For the vast majority of people, night terrors center around some single active event.....common dreams are holding up collapsing walls, chasing a threat like a wild animal or person, holding something back like flooding water or fire.....the point is you are actively doing something. We aren't talking about thrashing around in bed. Messing up the sheets, sweating, and yelling "don't kill me Al Capone!" is a nightmare. Running naked through a hotel holding a coat hanger like a knife screaming "the crane is collapsing" is a night terror (true story!). Many doctors believe that night terrors aren't so-called complex dreams but there is by no means consensus. I imagine it is awfully hard to study something that occurs in the head of a person that generally doesn't remember it.

So far my subs have had the same effect as other opiates on my dreams. I have no idea why as I haven't seen a sleep specialist since I started opiates.

Now we'll see if there is a psychosomatic effect from reading your thread title and worrying about it. :)


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