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Hello all. I am hoping there is someone out there that can help me find an answer to my question. My doctor didnt seem to have an answer for me so I am hoping someone else has gone threw this.

I have been addicted to pain killers for about 4 years now. I started out with vicodin and was hooked for years. Got to the point where I had to have atleast 90-100 mg a day just to feel normal, not even getting high anymore. After being tired of being a slave to the drug, I decided to start buying methadone tablets off the street and self medicating my self with those. (what a brilliant idea that was). I was on the methadone for about 6 months (I had a pretty steady streem of them, but would have a few days in between where I couldnt get them and would start the horrible withdrawls). Turns out the methadone withdrawls are about 10 times as bad as vicodine, and last 10 times as long. After about my 4th day off methadone cold turkey I could hardly stand up. The sickest most awful feeling i have ever experience and I dont wish it upon my worst enemy. I decided to make an appointment with a doctor to get on Suboxone. I have been on sub for about 3 months now and I am convinced it is an absolute miracle drug. I started off at 1/12 8/2mg a day and am now down to 1/14.

My question is this. Since the even way back to the Vicodin abuse, there are some nights (more often then not) I will fall asleep fine, but I start to have very vivid, very weird dreams. The entire dream will ne uncomfortable in the fact that my body just doesnt feel right and it will attempt to wake its self up SERVERAL times, but my eyelds feel glues shut and I cant wake up. After finally making my self wake up and sit up in bed, i start to have really weird Body Zings. It is mostly my neck up, and when I move my eyes from direction to the next. I dont know of any other way of explaining it, but im sure if someone else has been threw this they know exactly what im talking about. To prevent my self from fallin right back into the horrible dream I usually get up and get a glass of juice, go to the bathroom etc before returning to bed. The zings will last maybe 2-3 minuites and then they go away. Also, I am very dis oriented for a min after I wake up. Meaning clumsy etc. I write that off to me just coming out of a very deep sleep and still being exhausted. But the zings and the horrible night terrors is what bothers me.

Has anyone got any advice? Will this go away after I am done with opiods for good? Any help would be much appreciated!

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Thanks for sharing some information about yourself. I haven't seen your name before so WELCOME! I wish I had an answer for the "zings" but I haven't experienced that. I also don't know much about night terrors unfortunately and in fact, most of the time I was on sub I slept so deep I didn't remember my dreams. But I went off it and recently got back on and have had some very REAL feeling nightmares. The other night I woke myself up sobbing. The dream itself was stupid looking back but at the time it was quite real and the sadness was clearly quite real. I chalked it up to major life transition and my body telling me something. I started writing the dreams down to share with my therapist and see what we come up with. Historically if I ignore my bad dreams they continue to get more intense until whatever problem I have goes away or I deal with the dreams. That is just me though.

If I read correctly, you are on a very low dose it sounds. 1/14 of an 8mg pill? Is that correct? Am I reading that wrong? You started off at 1/12 of a pill? If you are on this low of a dose, this could be part of withdrawal for you depending on what time you take it. I am not sure this small amount would last long enough to prevent withdrawals. Someone else probably will have a better answer for that part of the question. I have never seen anyone mention this and didn't want your question to be ignored simply because no one knows.

Good luck with this.

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Welcome Dishman,

I don't know about your "zings", but I know a little bit about night terrors. They are way beyond nightmares and start within a very short time after falling asleep. The person wakes up practically acting out the dream, perhaps even violently They are very specifically different from nightmares.

I also share the question Jackcrack had - exactly how low of a dose are you on? If it truly is as low as it seems to be, it could very well be withdrawals.

Now if you can rule out the withdrawals, I would suggest (if you have health insurance) that you ask your doctor about this and request a sleep study. Especially if this is preventing you from getting a good night's rest. This could very well give you the answer you're looking for. Just an idea.

Let us know how you're doing and again WELCOME!

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Welcome Dishman!!

I am in the middle of a slow, liquid taper and have started having bad/crazy/vivid dreams as well. I just woke up today from a strangely erotic dream about Oreo cookies with lime green centers. At one point, they were all lined up like the Rockettes at Christmas, dancing about, etc. Difficult to describe, you know how dreams are, but it was also scary at one point.

I have read several posts from people who experience a weird head thing, too. One person called them "brain zaps." Some of the people posting about this issue are also taking SSRI's or other anti-depressants. Sub withdrawal can certainly change the way the body responds to other medications you are taking. I haven't experienced a "zap", but one night I became SO DIZZY, I felt like someone had drugged me. And not in the good way. I could not even sit up in bed. Thank God I didn't have any numbness in my limbs or confused thinking, because I thought I was possibly having a stroke or something. I ALMOST went to the hospital. It was very scary, but hasn't happened since. However, there are occasions when I do get dizzy for a few seconds, but that quickly passes.

I'm sorry you are having a rough time. Finding the perfect stabilizing dose in the beginning of treatment can involve some experimenting. I do need to tell you though, that even a "seemingly tiny" decrease of .5mgs (Going from 1/12th to 1/14th of an 8mg tablet, if I read your post correctly.) can still produce some pretty significant WD symptoms. When I decrease, I do it in amounts that are only ONE TENTH of the amount you have just decreased, and I STILL get WD symptoms for days.

(Check out the thread "Liquid Taper" by Diary of a Quitter. It describes in detail how to create a liquid solution from Sub tablets in order to decrease by very small amounts.)

Everyone's recovery is different, but if I were in your shoes, my first priority would be to find a dose I could feel stable on. (Your symptoms sound suspiciously similar to WD.) I would recommend that when you find that perfect stabilizing dose (even if it means going up a little/taking more), to stay there while you work on other parts of your recovery: like the behavioral/psychological issues, etc. If you want to stay at a low dose overall, many people (myself included) find that a total daily dose of 2-4mgs works very, very well.

I'm glad you have taken control of your addictive behaviors, and found Sub! It saved my life as well. It gave me the time I needed to deal with life's issues without having to be in WD or constantly craving my DOC while doing so. Used correctly, it can be a wonderful thing. You are on a good path now. Take your time, and don't give up easily. We are literally fighting for our lives.

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Thanks for the replys guys I appreciate it. I re read my post and realised that I had a typo. My dose is actually 1 and 1/4 of the 8/2. I started on 1 1/2 and am now down to 1 1/4. Sorry for the confusion. It sounds like my body zings and night terrors aren't very common which makes me even more concerned. In response to hatmakers reply and me doing a sleep study unfortunately that wont work for me. My health insurance is currently not even paying for my sub treatment. They told me about 2 months into it that it was a pre existing condition and I didnt disclose that I was addicted to pain killers when I signed up for my insurance. Like they would of insured me if I told them I was a pill junky! Yeah right! Anyway, I appreciate the responses and look forward to hopefully hearing some more information on my head zingers. They are truly one of the weirdest feelings. But once again I want to correct my dosage. I am currently on 1 and 1/4 of the 8/2 subs. I look forward to tappering off these things completely because as all of you well know, these things are not cheap!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:06 pm 
Unlike most of the replies you have received, I don't think that your "zingers" as you have called them are because you are taking to low a dose. I don't think they are a type of withdrawal, even though I do agree that this sort of thing DOES happen during withdrawal. I cannot speak for you, but I have been on Suboxone for almost 3 years now and I still get the "zings" or electric like shocks and muscle twitches from time to time. I get them when I INCREASE my dose, rather than decreasing it. I cannot speak to the physiological reason for this, as I am not a physician. Nevertheless, your opiate abuse history sounds very similar to mine, so I ask myself if it is related to what I have done to my brain in the past. I just don't know. I am sorry that I can't give you an answer, but I wanted you to know that there is someone else out there who has similar symptoms as you do, though less frequently. I cannot say that I get night terrors, but if I increase my suboxone dose (without the consent of my Doc I must add), or I miss a couple days and then take a full dose, I may get these "zingers" and my muscles will "jump" - almost like I have been startled but it is purely physical - no scare or startle involved. For my body, I know that these come because of an "overdose" kind of reaction to the Suboxone. I have been lowering my dose recently to 6mg per day (3 2mg pills), but I am sure that if I were to skip 2 days, and then take say 16mg, I would get all twitchy, zingy and probably have nightmares. What does this mean for you? I wish I knew, or had some advice. Maybe the best advice is the "less is more approach". See if you can't go down to just 1 8mg pill per day for a few days. If your RX is for more, you can always go back to the higher dose later. Again, I am not a doc, so please take this suggestion with a grain of salt... It is only a suggestion and you should probably discuss this with your doc.


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ER, you wrote:

"if I increase my suboxone dose (without the consent of my Doc I must add), or I miss a couple days and then take a full dose, I may get these "zingers" and my muscles will "jump" - almost like I have been startled but it is purely physical - no scare or startle involved."

"I have been lowering my dose recently to 6mg per day (3 2mg pills), but I am sure that if I were to skip 2 days, and then take say 16mg, I would get all twitchy, zingy and probably have nightmares. What does this mean for you? I wish I knew, or had some advice. "

You have written a perfect example of what I was trying to relay: I have also experienced the brain thing when my dose was NOT stable. Also, remember that any changes in your dose may not show up/present for days afterward. If a small amount of Sub is missed/not absorbed, that is enough to cause WD symptoms down the road.

There have been a few times I have taken a little extra Sub as well (1-2mgs for bad period cramps, injury, etc.) and oddly enough, a few days later, I would have pseudo WD symptoms. I thought it was strange, since I had INCREASED my dose. I have a friend who has experienced this effect also. Because of that situation, I quit taking any extra Sub, and concentrated instead on maintaining a stable dose. It's tricky, I know, since everyone's different.


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Hello..... It's another terrible night. Ever since I started Suboxone (3 weeks ago) , I wake up several times a night, EVERY night with the most vivid and awful nightmares. My husband tells me that I also talk or begin sobbing in my sleep. Sometimes when I do this I even awaken and catch myself doing this. The dreams are so scary or sad and feel so real that It's hard for me to shake it off and try to go back to sleep. Then when I do fall back asleep, The nightmares begin again and the cycle starts all over. Ive tried methods of relaxation or even Disney movies so that I can fall asleep to something innocent like that in hopes that I wont have these dreams and I even have begun praying thinking that might help. Nothing does. It's 4:00 in the morning ( I just awoke from a nightmare. 3rd one. 3rd time ) and I had to go on the computer and look this up and see if Im not alone in this. What is happening? Is this normal? Help! ~ Kristine


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Hi Kristine and welcome to the forum. I'm just sorry it's a such a bad situation that brought you here. But I hope you can find support here. I'm sorry to hear about what sounds like some pretty bad nightmares. Who knows if it's the suboxone or not. Any medication can have any side effect for an individual. If you have insurance and this continues you might want to think about getting a referral to a sleep specialist. They'll monitor you overnight in a sleep clinic and will be able to determine if you're having night terrors or not. If they are, they should be able to treat them. It's worth considering.

Meanwhile I hope you find some solace here - it's a great forum for addiction recovery. Take care and keep us posted.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:30 am 
More often than not, these are symptoms of WD from a drug, not necessarily a narcotic, as SSRI withdrawl is similar with regard to these symptoms. I wish I could help (give an answer) those of you that are getting these while not lowering your dose. A while ago I wrote that I also get brain zaps when increasing my dose too fast (unnecessarily). So in any case, it seems that anytime one messes with the brain's average daily chemical soup balance, they are in for side effects. Though I would still have to side with the fact that dose reduction tends to bring worse side effects than increase or irregularity.

For some, and this is going to be difficult to hear, maybe taking a narc replacement like Suboxone is not the answer. (Ouch?)


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My question is this. Since the even way back to the Vicodin abuse, there are some nights (more often then not) I will fall asleep fine, but I start to have very vivid, very weird dreams. The entire dream will ne uncomfortable in the fact that my body just doesnt feel right and it will attempt to wake its self up SERVERAL times, but my eyelds feel glues shut and I cant wake up. After finally making my self wake up and sit up in bed, i start to have really weird Body Zings. It is mostly my neck up, and when I move my eyes from direction to the next. I dont know of any other way of explaining it, but im sure if someone else has been threw this they know exactly what im talking about. To prevent my self from fallin right back into the horrible dream I usually get up and get a glass of juice, go to the bathroom etc before returning to bed. The zings will last maybe 2-3 minuites and then they go away. Also, I am very dis oriented for a min after I wake up. Meaning clumsy etc. I write that off to me just coming out of a very deep sleep and still being exhausted. But the zings and the horrible night terrors is what bothers me.

Has anyone got any advice? Will this go away after I am done with opiods for good? Any help would be much appreciated!

Thanks!


I beleive that the answer is yes, IF you can go with no opiates for 1 to 3 months, you will see a reduction in these syptoms, I did, but I could not stay off them, so I am maybe on some dose of Suboxone for life.

Have you thought of seeing a Sleep specialist? I am getting a sleep study on Sunday. My sleep doc is also a Psychiatrist, so he is understanding of the addiction issues and how they also affect sleep. Maybe this kind of doc would be able to help you?


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Hi... Thank you guys. I will definately consider a sleep specialist. Well, im going to try & get some sleep. Wish me luck. I'll tell you how my night went tomorrow. Hopefully not at 4:00 am again! ~ Kristine


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Hi... still having the bad dreams. Not getting enough sleep. I have started to journal them. Maybe this will help me figure out what they mean. I started to talk about it in "group" ( I am in Intensive Out Patient Therapy ) My Therapist suggests that I am reliving some of the recent traumas I have been through and put my family through because of my addiction. My own personal guilt eats away at me every day. Now that I am drug free ( almost 2 months ) & have a clear head, I can really see what kind of damage my drug addiction has done. Im so glad that I am in therapy & have such a strong support system around me. Let me say, forgiveness is a beautiful thing. I am also happy that I found this website to talk @ all these things. You really need people such as yourselves that can truely relate to what you're going through. ~ Kristine


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Welcome -

I have experienced some nightmare issues during the induction of Suboxone, then when I jumped off but not while on a regular dose.Never any body zaps- I cannot imagine how that feels. Anyway, I started looking around and have you researched Hunter Serotonin Toxicity? It would be worth looking into-opiate dependence can do some strange things to us, and if there was an unknown pre-existing psychological situation, it opens a whole new realm of possibilities.
I am not a medical pro, but I have read allot about addiction for my schooling. The brain is an amazing thing and it does some pretty strange things sometimes, especially when we self medicate it. I will continue to look into this and let you know if I see anything worth mentioning. Take care and I hope you get some peaceful sleep.

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Hi,
I have been off drugs for 3 years. I was a terrible heroin/oxycontin addict for all of my early 20's, and have been taking suboxone for all of those 3 years.

I have definitely experienced the brain "Zings" you are talking about. It's like a "Whooosh!" and it is almost like a physical feeling version of like an old tv that's screen is flipping up due to bad signal. Mine usually happens when I'm lying in bed, trying to sleep. Along with those bad dreams you talked about, I also get an extreme FEAR whenever these zings happen, always when I'm in bed, always when I'm trying to sleep. Its like some external force is trying to make me not sleep, and it feels like I am entering some kind of other TERRIBLE dimension when i start getting the "WHOOSHES", sometimes I even get a temporary peralasis where I cant open my eyes or move. I feel like there is a demon or ghost or something terrible in the room, and at times it has gotten so bad that I actually felt like SOMETHING was in the room with me, and even seen quick shadows moving. I start picturing really terrible things coming after me (picture a VERY realistic version of the girl from the movie The Ring)...

The reason I believe this happens....Taking higher dosages close to bed time. Try NOT to take any suboxone within 5 hours of going to bed, and you will see this reduce. If I don't take any suboxone after say, 5pm if im going to bed at say, 11pm, I usually wont get them. Until I saw this thread, I thought it was only me. Those zings are terrible, and if you get the waking nightmares to accompany them, it's even worse. Usually when I get them really badly, I wake up in the morning (if i end up getting much sleep) feeling like complete crap.


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I just awoke from yet another bad spell. Its happening pretty much every night now, and its ALWAYS within a half hour of me going to bed that I wake up from what feels like hours of hellish Night Mares. Tonight's version: People getting shot outside my home trying to rob a truck, my Fiance and I riding home in my car (which is broken in the dream) then she gets home and turns it upside down like its a lawn mower and gets her legs chopped off with a blade. Some times they are not as violent as these, but they ALWAYS feel like they are the worst dream Ive ever had. It sounds like your symptoms and mine are the same. I experience the paralyzing feeling like not being able to awake, and it just going into a viscous circle. Then the instant body zaps as soon as I finally pull my self from the dream. Those will last about 10 mins (I have to get out of bed, otherwise I will go right back into it) with every move I make. In response to your suggestion about not taking the SUB 5 hours before I go to bed, that's not the case with me. I take my 8MG sub once a day, and that is as soon as I wake up in the morning. Then I don't take my next dose until that same time the next morning. I did some research on our problem and apparently it is not very common. However I did come up with what I think is actually happening. We are experiencing Nocturnal Anxiety attacks. They must be induced by the WD of the Sub, or just the Narc being in our system because I had these long before I was on SUB. After reading up, the few symptoms we have are on a long long list of other symptoms included with a Nocturnal Anxiety/Panic attack. The two main symptoms would be the Body Zaps and the Nightmares right? Well the Body Zap is actually called a Hypnic Jerk. A hypnic jerk, or hypnagogic massive jerk, usually occurs just as we are falling asleep. People often describe it as a falling sensation or an electric shock, and it is a completely normal experience. There has been little research done on the subject, but there are some theories as to why hypnic jerks occur. A hypnic jerk may also occur during the Rapid Eye Movement phase of sleep. The REM phase is the time when dreams happen and all voluntary muscular activity stops along with a complete drop in muscle tone. That explains why we can remember these dreams so damn vividly. We are literally pulling ourselves out of REM (rapid eye movement) which is the deepest part of sleep. Okay, so we know what it is MAYBE! Now how the hell do we stop this shit, because I am Sick and tired of it. Hope all this helped.


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When I was on a higher dose of suboxone, I used to have some very, very vivid dreams. Since lowering my dose below, say, 12mg, those have subsided and now I just sleep normally, which for me is an average of about 6 hours per night.


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I've read thru some of the posts, and I feel terrible for the people who have those head zings and night terrors where they act out dreams etc...

I have something similar going on, but based on what I've read, I don't think it's night terrors, but instead night mares.
I just began using this website so heres some info : Im 20 years old, was addicted to opiates but have been in suboxone treatment for about 5 months now, its been a steady 16mg/daily dose. I started out on the tablets, and at my last visit was switched to the new film strips. I have always had problems with nightmares for as long as I remember. There were a lot of traumatic events that occurred during my childhood that have just stuck with me, and I think that's what causes the nightmares. They were off and on for awhile, then I didn't seem to have any really for the longest time, around the end of 09 or beginning of 2010 and someone told me that marijuana often causes people to forget what they dream about. I was a smoker, and when I stopped in April or May of '10 , just as I was told I would, I began having really vivid, and just weird dreams. I dont really remember them being to scary at that point though..

I started taking subs in august, and I've realized the last few months I've been having bad nightmares again. Then a friend mentioned to me that on the paper I got with my prescription night terrors is listed under side effects. I do sometimes see myself trying to open my eye while I'm having the nightmare, and I'm not sure if I'm really doing this in real life or not, but I don't act the dreams out by doing dangerous things while I'm sleeping so I'm thinking it's just nightmares, not night terrors, but I just want to know whats causing it. I wake up very quickly and everything just goes through my head at once, as I remember and think about what I just experienced. My heart races, and I somewhat have to catch my breath. Then I try to distract my mind, and I have to get up and walk into the living room, try to relax myself, etc..

Most of the night mares have to do with something that happened to me as a child. They usually have one of my family members in it, and I do have a lot of resentment towards some of those people for horrible things they've done, I think about these things sometimes, but I try to put them behind me & forget; but I definately don't want to think about it in my sleep; it drives me crazy.

I want to see a therapist, I did a few times off and on when I was a teenager. But I really don't think I should right now, because then I'll have to tell the therapist that I'm prescribed suboxone, which I'm very ashamed of, and I don't want that to be in my medical records, since the place I go to won't release my information, which means as of now noone knows that I'm taking this medicine. If I go to a doc and tell them that, I'm afraid that once its in my records that I was treated for opioid depedence, every time I see a doctor for something they're just going to automattically assume I'm just trying to get some type of medicine. The sub has given me the ability to see things more clearly, like the fact that I was such a loser before and I can't believe how much I let something so disgusting take over my life. So I KNOW I will never go back to that, although I admit I'm scared for when I don't have the sub. or anything to take those cravings away, but I feel strong; I've already had things handed to me and said, no thanks. That was a huge eye-opener and I realized I can do this. But if it has anything to do with these nightmares I'm having I wont know what to do. Most likely I wont see a therapist until after Im off the subs, which Im not sure how long that will be, my doc said after 3months I would start the process of lowering my dose, but its been 5 months and still no change, they know of my depression & anxiety issues so I think they realize how stressed out I am and thats why theyre working with me, I could be wrong, but that's what I think.

Heres an example: (Why I'm awake at 5:15am & afraid to go sleep) Yesterday morning I woke up when my boyfriend was leaving to run some errands (I always feel safer & more secure when he's sleeping beside me) I went back to sleep for about 2 hours afterwards. Right before I woke up I had this horrible nightmare (and looking back on it, it seems silly, but in the dream it was so frightening) my aunt & uncle were in it (two of the ppl who were involved in many of the terrible things that had happened when I was a kid; I lived w them for a few years.) and they pretty much forced me against my will to go this place w them, and they told everyone, i was addicted to being happy. i know youre prob. laughing but in the dream I was crying hysterically bc they wouldnt let me go, and I was humiliated in front of all these people. I was begging and pleading for them to let me go home, I was crying and trying to make them realize how miserable i really am. And I was also afraid, I think bc in real life my uncle had instilled this fear in me, & I was always so afraid to do something wrong, bc I never knew what kind of mood he would be in, how he would react. And alot of times, I would get in trouble for things I didnt even do, or things I had no idea I would be punished for, they were really ridiculous things.

Also I should add that I dont always take the same dose every day. i try to alternate a bit lower of a dose every other day, to be prepared for when i do get lowered, but i dont have withdrawal symptoms, if i do its in the morning before i take my dose for that day, and its mild, very tolerable compared to actual "dope-sick." I really dont think that has anything to do with it.

If anyone could help, any feedback would be appreciated. Whether you can help with whether I'm having night mares or night terrors, what is causing them, what I should do, good links for websites that may lead me to the answer to my question, etc etc....
Thks for taking the time to read this!! Going to sleep soon, almost 6am ugh! =/


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I would say you answered your own question. Since you're dreaming about your past traumas, it's more than likely (in my opinion) that said nightmares are because of those traumas. I think with or without the sub, you'd still be having those dreams.

You should NOT be ashamed to be on suboxone! Being on it means you took control of your life. Somewhere along the way we have to let go of the past and start focusing on the present. For me, when I learned to do that, any remaining shame I had melted away. You have a disease. If you had diabetes would you be ashamed? I think not.

As for getting a therapist, I don't really believe that the sub use would go into your medical records. Therapists cannot under any circumstances release information that you've told them to anyone else. Your records from therapy (as far as I know and in my experience) are not the same as your medical records. Some therapists don't even take notes, in an effort to keep things as private as possible. My therapist writes his notes almost illegibly just on the off chance that he was forced to release those records.

I would highly suggest that you go ahead and get a therapist. I'm experienced with childhood traumas and going to therapy has been my saving grace. It can go far in helping you deal with it. Plus I think if you start talking about it, those dreams will probably go away. But that's just my opinion, and again, in my experience.

I hope this helps a little bit. I also wanted to welcome you to the forum. Keep up the good work.

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I have had experiences with the dreams and the "zings". Those feel more like electric shocks going through my brain, sometimes in my body...I have had them when w/d from fentanly a long time ago....they were a part of my cluster of w/d signs on that med, and sometimes when detoxing off vicodin. Vivid dreams, for me, always occur when I am detoxing...
Except when I just detoxed off methadone getting onto sub. that whole detox was just a complete abomination! I can't explain how easy it was for me and it just has to be a god thing I swear. I waited for all hell to break loose...it never happened.
One night during my first 2 weeks on Sub I had a bizarre dream, it was a nightmare and I can barely remember anything except an ominous feeling...apparently I was having a complete conversation in the middle of the night as though I was awake. It has not happened since. My dreams, on Sub, are calmer now...However, I do STILL get the electric shock things once in a while.
Another thing that happens on Sub and I think I've read this before...when I start falling asleep (and I can fall asleep and begin dreaming in seconds it seems) I'll do that muscle spaz thing. I do it quite a lot on Sub...I get so relaxed and then spaz out. it doesn't bother me, it just wakes me up and only happens when I am first falling asleep. (I think)
Don't have any kind of explanation for the electric shock thing...one time my dr. put me on Effexor....never again. I was only on that for one month and decided I was better on Wellbutrin. I tapered off effexor even and the w/d from that was worse than my w/d from fentanyl. Stomach pain, GI issues, vomiting, crying, emotionally out of whack, weak, and overall a mess. I started reading about effexor and heard how so many people had a really hard time getting off of it. I also had constant electric shock things when detoxing of effexor.
Our poor brains....that's all I can say.


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