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Just want to introduce myself. I'm a 47 year old male who has been a addict abused opiates for 12 years. 3 1/2 years ago my wife gave me the ultimatum. My family or pills. I went to rehab and I've been on suboxone since and I still see my counselor. Suboxone saved my life, future and family. I slipped one time. Two weeks after rehab but my doctor caught it, chewed my ass and I can honestly say I haven't slipped since then. If suboxone had not been available 3 1/2 years ago I would be dead by now for sure so I'm so thankful for suboxone, my doctor, counselor and my family. That team helped me help me. My doctor also has me on Seroquel for anxiety and for sleeping. I've tried several different sleep aids but nothing works as well as Seroquel plus it calms me down. Honestly I only like it for sleeping. The only problem I have is getting an erection when its time. I'm on prescribed testosterone and take Viagra but its like I'm 70% in the ball game so to speak. I've read so much about suboxone causing ED and like 18% of people taking Seroquel experience ED. So I'm really not sure which one it is. I started coming down on my sub yesterday to experiment & see but if you guy's have any advice I'll take it. lol Here's how much of each I take daily.
For a year now I've been taking 12mg of suboxone a day but I'm going down to 8mg a day.

suboxone 4mg in the morning & 4mg in the evening. [8mg daily]
Seroquel 25mg at lunch then 50mg at bad time. [75mg daily]

Finally I get to talk to people who have been in my shoes.


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Well as you say they both evidently can cause E.D. I took it for granted sub. does, but also took for granted people addicted to opiates were already dealing with at least some reduction in sexual appetite.

I have to say I've noticed a significant increase in sexual energy since switching from full on opiate to sub...which is to say I feel closer to my old self, if not quite 100 percent. Then again, I'm older.

No way I'm going to try to generalize from my individual experience, but I'd ask you if you had similar
problems when you were just on your opiate. I'm guessing not as you likely would have said so.
I'm just going to wild guess....if that's the case....that it's the Seroquel.


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Welcome chrome!

I remember when I went to rehab they put me on Trazadone (sp?) to sleep during the detox period. Some ppl stayed on it because they were still having problems with sleep. That worked well for me during that time. Also in the hospital once they kept giving me Ambien and I did not react well to that lol, there was a time I couldn't even tell if I was awake or asleep. Anyway, that's my sleep story, I actually sleep pretty darn good and take nothing. I only had sleep issues in withdrawal.

Suboxone saved my life also. I couldn't believe how wonderful it worked for cravings. Cravings were something I couldn't ever beat until suboxone. This is a great forum! Glad u found us :)

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godfrey wrote:
Well as you say they both evidently can cause E.D. I took it for granted sub. does, but also took for granted people addicted to opiates were already dealing with at least some reduction in sexual appetite.

I have to say I've noticed a significant increase in sexual energy since switching from full on opiate to sub...which is to say I feel closer to my old self, if not quite 100 percent. Then again, I'm older.

No way I'm going to try to generalize from my individual experience, but I'd ask you if you had similar
problems when you were just on your opiate. I'm guessing not as you likely would have said so.
I'm just going to wild guess....if that's the case....that it's the Seroquel.


Godfrey it was really hit or miss while on opiates to be honest. Depending on how screwed up I was at the time. I've been thinking its the Seroquel so starting tonight I'm cutting it down also. May even see about something weaker. Thanks for the tip.


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Welcome chrome!

I remember when I went to rehab they put me on Trazadone (sp?) to sleep during the detox period. Some ppl stayed on it because they were still having problems with sleep. That worked well for me during that time. Also in the hospital once they kept giving me Ambien and I did not react well to that lol, there was a time I couldn't even tell if I was awake or asleep. Anyway, that's my sleep story, I actually sleep pretty darn good and take nothing. I only had sleep issues in withdrawal.

Suboxone saved my life also. I couldn't believe how wonderful it worked for cravings. Cravings were something I couldn't ever beat until suboxone. This is a great forum! Glad u found us :)


Thanks jennjenn. I'm going to see about trying Ambien again. At the time I was just getting use to sub so hopfully ambien will work this time.. It just sux not knowing exactly which one & how much but it is what it is. I've dealt with worse. lol


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Hey Chrome.

As far as some sort of test is concerned, I suppose it comes down to which med you can live without for a while...or use at a lower dosage....without much trouble We already know you can't go off the subs, and even cutting down too quickly would be dangerous. Seroquel I don't know much about, but it seems heavy duty for sleep problems and I think you mentioned some anxiety.Just off the top of my head I might try lowering the Seroquel if you don't think it would create problems.

Don't forget if you cut down on the subs significantly, in addition to a likely return of cravings you're going
to probably...if you cut down enough anyway...have a sort of rebound in the sexual department, so it
would be difficult to sort out what's what.

Just some thoughts.


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I was given an ultimatum like that...but Suboxone wasn't really well-known in my area at that period in time (2006-2007)..so I chose being high. No surprise..I had tried cold-turkey quitting..and would have chosen death over being in the withdrawals...
But, I did find sub shortly after..and luckily managed to save my marriage.

One of the 'quacks' I went to (I don't mean nice decent DR...I mean, pill pusher only interested in money)...did Suboxone in his wife's office, after office hours from 5pm to 7pm on Wed, Fri, and Saturday from 10am to 4pm...he gave me some brochure to see if I needed Seroquel...some 10-15 questions to answer.
My answers on that determined that I should be put on Seroquel.

I'm here to tell ya, that shit made me SICK..and I mean...the first dose I took had me throwing up the next morning.
I had a headache that was UNBELIEVABLE. I called and told him...and he said take half of the dose that I was prescribed (like, 50mg, so I took 25 that night).
Even that had me sick as a dog. So I quickly determined with the shit making me feel like death warmed over that I would no longer need Seroquel in my life.
I took it for 3 days, each day I would wake up and go outside to throw up...it was awful
First day I got up after not taking the Seroquel, I felt fine.

I will not do that to myself again..and I think it should require more than answering 10-15 questions to determine if someone needs an anti-psychotic drug.

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Well-said about antipsychotic meds! Seroquel is often used very 'casually' for sleep, in those low dose ranges. Realize that when use for psychosis or bipolar, the typical dose is 600-800 mg! But even 50 mg can be powerful stuff. Some people find it very helpful, but some have your experience, with headaches and nausea. It didn't agree with me either, when I tried using it for sleep.


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I happen to be using a camera for a well-known company, and this particular camera is battery-powered, runs off of the AT&T cellular network for service (it doesn't use WIFI as some security cams do), and is weather-proof.

I can't really divulge the name, just know that it works on motion.

I decided to put it in my bedroom so I could watch my sleep patterns..because I have some AWFUL sleep patterns.

I literally sat at the computer and laughed at myself the next day when I viewed the footage of the motion-detected videos the previous night. It was beyond hilarious.

I sit up on my hand/fist with elbow on the pillow, watch some TV, then I start nodding off. I nod off a while, then I wake up, go pee or whatever..sometimes getting more coffee...then I do it all over again.
Every 2rd or 3rd night I'll sleep really good, and not wake up very often. Then I'm back to waking up 5-6 times between 11pm and 5am...then at 5am, I just get up.

If you looked at this video footage, you'd think "what drugs is this guy taking"...because it's the classic opiate-looking nodding that I'm doing...
But i've been doing this for years. Unless I'm just beyond exhausted, I don't sleep well at all.

I think a lot has to do with me not working... I don't want that to change, because it means that my baby has started school, but I will be finding a job soon...she'll be 5 in February, and starts school in September. So, being a stay-home dad since she was born has run it's course. I love every minute of it, and she's my heart...but I need to get out and do something in society. I've been a parent for so long now, and I'm afraid I won't cope well to working again. Getting back to the "grind" has some anxiety in me...and I hope I can adjust to it. For now, if I get tired during the day, I just hop in bed and watch some TV and doze a little. But I'm too young to just live in bed, and spend the day watching TV.

But, I don't think that warrants putting me on some anti-psychotic drug that makes me throw-up every single day just so I don't wake up during the night.

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chrome wrote:
Just want to introduce myself. I'm a 47 year old male who has been a addict abused opiates for 12 years. 3 1/2 years ago my wife gave me the ultimatum. My family or pills. I went to rehab and I've been on suboxone since and I still see my counselor. Suboxone saved my life, future and family. I slipped one time. Two weeks after rehab but my doctor caught it, chewed my ass and I can honestly say I haven't slipped since then. If suboxone had not been available 3 1/2 years ago I would be dead by now for sure so I'm so thankful for suboxone, my doctor, counselor and my family. That team helped me help me. My doctor also has me on Seroquel for anxiety and for sleeping. I've tried several different sleep aids but nothing works as well as Seroquel plus it calms me down. Honestly I only like it for sleeping. The only problem I have is getting an erection when its time. I'm on prescribed testosterone and take Viagra but its like I'm 70% in the ball game so to speak. I've read so much about suboxone causing ED and like 18% of people taking Seroquel experience ED. So I'm really not sure which one it is. I started coming down on my sub yesterday to experiment & see but if you guy's have any advice I'll take it. lol Here's how much of each I take daily.
For a year now I've been taking 12mg of suboxone a day but I'm going down to 8mg a day.

suboxone 4mg in the morning & 4mg in the evening. [8mg daily]
Seroquel 25mg at lunch then 50mg at bad time. [75mg daily]

Finally I get to talk to people who have been in my shoes.

Hey there. we have the same dose. 4mg in a.m. and 4 in p.m. i tried just 4mg once a day. was ok for a few days them had restless leg issues. i plan on trying it again this weekend, today! actually. maybe i'll do 6mg once day. as far as sleeping goes. i take a shit-ton of melatonin. i checked with my therapist on the dosage. he said i was taking more than commercial airline pilots take on layovers, but that was ok. So 20mg of melatonin before bed. no matter what time i go to bed i'm usually wide awake by 5 a.m. sometimes 3 a.m. i try to stay in bed til at least 4 something.

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