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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:41 pm 
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Heya,
I am new here and afraid of what lies ahead. I have been on norco 10/325 for about 25 years and over the last couple years have went from taking 4 of them a day to sometimes 6 or 7 a day. I decided a couple of weeks ago that I wanted to try and get off them and just deal with my pain. I have two degenerated discs in my back, arthritis in my feet, knees, elbows, shoulders and fingers. I have pain most of the time but it was explained to me that the pain I feel might be generated by my body because it wants the norco. I don't fully understand that portion of what the Dr. told me but it scared me a bit and then I read that some people become addicted to Suboxone. I don't want to trade one drug for another one, especially since my insurance will not cover this one and it covered the norco. I am doing the "cold turkey" starting Sunday Morning Midnight and will try to not lose control for the 2 and a half days before I go back to the Dr and get the Suboxone. I have gone into withdrawals twice in the last 25 years and it only took me 12-13 hours before I thought I was going to pull my hair out. What does anyone suggest that might help me make it through this? I will pray for sure, but I have no idea what to do and my wife is apprehensive about my attitude because of my old anger problem. I assume some or most of you have gone through this type of deal, the withdrawal so you can start the suboxone. How did you handle it? What did you do to try and pass the time? I will do my best to sleep but as in the past, I couldn't. All I could do was shake, jerk and think about how awful I felt.
Any assistance, help, direction would be appreciated. I start in just two days and I am afraid, very afraid. Thanks to all of you,.

Noiro


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I am sure that there are many here that can and will try to help you. However, most will have the same question that I am about to ask. Why are you going to stop Norco (or any opiate) for two and one half days? Did someone tell you that you need to do this in order to go onto Suboxone? If they did, they have given you incorrect information. While it is true that you will have to be in minor to moderate withdrawal in order to start Suboxone, that in all likelihood - in fact I am very certain of it - will not take over 60 hours to set in. At least it would be very rare for the drug that you are on. You are also on a somewhat small amount compared to most people who start Suboxone.

So, in order for us to help you, can you please try to provide a little bit more information - specifically why you are looking to try to white knuckle through a withdrawal that you in all likelihood do not need to endure. What is your ulitmate goal? What are you hoping to accomplish by undertaking these steps? Please let us know.


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Excellent questions. When I started suboxone I was coming off a 5-7 (40mg) oxycontin per day. I had just enough to get me to the appointment and be in mild withdrawal. I sat in the doc office but the doc had to cancel. I was in absolute panic because I knew I would be in such bad withdrawal by the next day I wouldn't even be able to drive myself the 30 miles back to the doc. So I got a hold of some milder stuff (percocet & vicodin). When I got into his office the next day, the percs were preventing full blown withdrawal. He couldn't dose me there. So I filled my script & called him when I met X,Y,Z criteria off this list he gave me and then he insructed me when to dose. Right when I started to feel super uncomfortable, I dosed and felt amazingly better.

I certainly didn't have to white knuckle it for 2 days. So I too have the same questions about why you would want/have to do that to get on suboxone.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:42 am 
Hi Noiro! I'm glad you found us and hope we can be of some help to you. I am interested in the questions that have already been asked as of you. And I agree - there is no reason that I can see for you to be in withdrawal for nearly that long before starting Suboxone. If I were you I would definitely question the doctor about that. There is no reason for you suffer for more than 24 hours.....actually not even that long. In my own experience, taking about the same amount and type of pian pills you've been taking...took my last hydrocodones approx 24 hours before starting Suboxone....at the time I took my first Suboxone I was only to the point of some shakiness, sweats, goosebumps, and aches, not full-blown panic level withdrawals....and I did beautifully with my Suboxone induction. So again, I am not understanding the rationale for you going so far and so long into withdrawal before starting Sub.
A couple other questions. Are you sure this is the route you want to go? Do you feel you've been fully informed about what you're about to do and why you're being advised to do it?
If after 25 years of pain medication, you're only just now up to 7- Norco10mg per day, I don't know if I'm convinced at all that you're an addict and it certainly doesn't sound (by what you've said so far) that you've even abused your pain meds. Now I'm sure you're dependent on opiates, but that is not the same as addiction. Whatever the case....the bottom line is very similar - if/when you want off the pain meds, you can't just simply stop taking them.
You mentioned something about your doc telling you that some of your pain might be because of your body wanting Norco.....well, yeah-withdrawal from opiates certainly causes pain. When I've cold-turkeyed off I hurt a lot, esp my legs...ached like to the bone. So yeah, I get what your doctor is saying. However, you have significant legitimate pain issues going on as well, so I don't know if all (or even most) of your pain can be attributed to withdrawal from Norco.
So.....Have you been seeing a pain management specialist? Have you discussed how your legitimate pain will be handled once you're on Suboxone? Perhaps you're just needing to try Suboxone to figure out what's what in terms of your pain. Sometimes people figure out after they're on Suboxone that their 'pain' is not nearly as bad as it was before and do just fine on Suboxone alone. Sometimes not....if that turns out to be the case, there are a lot of alternatives beyond Norco for long-term management of chronic pain.....a lot of other meds you could be tried on, etc.
Hope that helped some. Perhaps you could give us a bit more information and we can help you more.
Glad you're here and all the best to you as you find your way through this difficult time.


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I only had to wait 12 hours...so that is extreme. Reguardless, I hope all goes well as it can. :)

This tunnel may be long, but I've seen the light on the other side....and its beautiful.

Take care, praying for all of you,
Amber

P.S. We had the same DOC (oxy) and I can get why you are upset. But hang in there.


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When I began subutex/suboxone treatment back in February 09 I was a 9 year heroin addict with a 2-5 bag a day habit. Withdrawals would set in within 2 hours of me waking, which necessitated a dash to the dealer before I could even consider going to work, eating or doing any of the things that drug free people take for granted. My first day of treatment required me to be in withdrawal for a minimum 24 hour period ( I actually went 48 hours) upon which I was given an initial tolerance test dose of 4mg subutex. Within an hour of taking, my symptoms were receding to a point of tolerance for the rest of that day. The second day 6mg and on the 3rd day an effective dose of 8mg. I have had absolutely no regrets with this protocol, now being able to live something approximating a normal life again without the stresses of scoring, health issues etc. I see no reason to be climbing the walls before taking suboxone, the relief is almost immediate and immensely pleasant.
I would urge anyone to discard any notion of 'swapping one drug for another', suboxone is simply a treatment for a debilitating disease. After all, nobody would expect a diabetic to stop taking insulin for example, and if the treatment allows you to escape the addicts mindset and start living again then it is only to be applauded.
Good luck with your treatment bro, I sincerely hope that things go well for you. Once you start seeing life with a clear pair of eyes the pieces will soon fall into place.


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SneakyElephant wrote:
When I began subutex/suboxone treatment back in February 09 I was a 9 year heroin addict with a 2-5 bag a day habit. Withdrawals would set in within 2 hours of me waking, which necessitated a dash to the dealer before I could even consider going to work, eating or doing any of the things that drug free people take for granted. My first day of treatment required me to be in withdrawal for a minimum 24 hour period ( I actually went 48 hours) upon which I was given an initial tolerance test dose of 4mg subutex. Within an hour of taking, my symptoms were receding to a point of tolerance for the rest of that day. The second day 6mg and on the 3rd day an effective dose of 8mg. I have had absolutely no regrets with this protocol, now being able to live something approximating a normal life again without the stresses of scoring, health issues etc. I see no reason to be climbing the walls before taking suboxone, the relief is almost immediate and immensely pleasant.
I would urge anyone to discard any notion of 'swapping one drug for another', suboxone is simply a treatment for a debilitating disease. After all, nobody would expect a diabetic to stop taking insulin for example, and if the treatment allows you to escape the addicts mindset and start living again then it is only to be applauded.
Good luck with your treatment bro, I sincerely hope that things go well for you. Once you start seeing life with a clear pair of eyes the pieces will soon fall into place.


I completely agree with you Sneaky, we need to stop thinking subutex/suboxone are just swap drugs for our previous addictions. It is a treatment!! At the peak of my use, I was taking 25 - 30 10/500mg lortabs a day, or more if I could get my hands on them. Now I am doing 24mg of subutex/day, but the only difference is that I am functioning like a normal human being. Not like some addict, where my whole day revolved around getting more pills.


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