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I have tried to quit using dope 3 times now with subs.
All 3 times I've tried to start them so far I've gotten no relief
And went back to dope. I don't know if it's because I didn't wait long
Enough or what. I have been doing anywhere from a half to a whole gram a day.
I reallyyyy reallyyyy wanna stop using and get on my medication.
Anyone with any advice of similar experience that can relate please help.
Subs have always helped me detox in the past like a miracle.
I really don't know what the problem is. Any advice on what to do during the waitin
Period before dosing the sub would b great. I think I'm just taking it too soon but idk.
Please someone help I want to start my sub and get off this bullshit!!'


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Hi Jameson304,

May I assume you are obtaining the Suboxone off the street? If so, you really need to be properly induced by a certified physician who can prescribe the correct dose based upon your DOC use.

Have you tried going the legal and safe route yet? If you insist on medicating yourself then that's your choice, but for us to help you we need more information like how much of what you were using, etc. And how easy it is to obtain Sub for the long term.

I can't express it enough that you need to see a doctor to help you. If one is helping you then you need to find another.

How about some more info?

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Yes I am seeing a doctor he just gave me the first months. No doctor can help u when ur are not
Honest! Which I haven't been because I am afraid to start because of the last 3 times not working.
And heroin would b the drug. I said up top a half of a gram to a gram of dope ;) thanks


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Hi Jameson. I am sorry to ask more questoins, but you sound like you really really want help. And we really want to help you.

What dose of suboxone did the doctor give you?

How much suboxone are you taking, when you first induce?

How long are you waiting after your last "fix" before beginning suboxone?

Are you dosing once daily?

If you could answer these questions that would help to identify why it isn't working for you. This really is a wonderful drug. I would hate to see it not work for you...Thanks.

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Ok well I am still using right now but I want to
Start my subs as soon as possible I'm just afraid.
The last 3 times I have tried to induce they have given
Me no relief from the heroin withdrawl leaving me with no
Choice but to use heroin again for relief.
The times I've induced so far I've waited around 9-12 hours
Taking 2mg then 4mg all the way up to 2o mg in a 24 hr period
With absolutely no relief leaving me with no choice but
To use again out of desperation. I couldn't handle the
Withdrawl. The doctor has me on 24 mg a day.
That's irrelevant because I can't initially get on the medication
To know if that is too much or not. I just need someone to tell me
Why it hasn't given me ANY relief in the past!?!?
What's am I doing wrong???? Please someone help with why it isn't giving me
Any relief. It seems like all anyone does on her is ask more questions lol
I need some answers!!! Thank u


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In my opinion, you either arent taking enough, to begin with, or your tolerance is too high to begin with, so you aren't feeling the 'relief' from the suboxone.


9-12 hours is probably not long enough, either.

I think I remember responding to a post of yours' awhile back.
I didnt go from Heroin to suboxone. but I went from about 150mg of methadone, to suboxone.
Sat 140mg methadone, 80 mg oxy
sun 100 mg methadone, 50 mg oxy
mon 50 mg methadone
tues 40 mg methadone
wed 80 mg oxy (iv) in the morning
thurs 24mg suboxone 10am

is how I did it.

I still felt like I 'kicked' too. I had the 'runs' and I felt like I sweated out every drug I had done, in the last 11 years over the course of two weeks.
still had 'RLS' type symptoms, though it was definitely more mild than going cold turkey. I still didnt sleep well, for about 5-7 days. only 4 hours at a time or so.

I dont know if this helps, but many people on this forum say that fentanol, methadone, and heroin, are the hardest to 'transition' to suboxone from
I would suggest maybe trying to go to a shorter acting opitate for a week or so, before inducing agian.
That way, you'll be TRYING to get your tolerance down, and be "ridding'' the heroin outta your system already.

I hope this helps :wink:

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Thanks for the response. That sounds like a rough ass transition though. I've never heard of just boom taking 24 mg of sub right
Off the rip like that. And as far as my tolerance goes I've heard of people with much worse habits doing great with subs right away.
I don't have access to any other opiates honestly. I'm hoping it's just that I didn't wait long enough.


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I wouldnt say I had 24mg 'right away'

I used one, in the car , on the way back to the office. told the dr. sorry dude,I was debating whether or not to drive my car into oncoming traffic.

so, it was at least 30min, before I had the second,it wasnt until then that I actually felt a little of the "edge'' be lifted.
Then I left the office, he said I could use up to three a day, so I took the other, within two hours of leaving.

I felt good enough then, to look for a job. Like I said, I was still having a not-so-awesome time. but the one thing suboxone did for me, was make it bearable. Like mentally, I thought, "i CAN do this, this time'' whereas before, whenever I had ran out, I was getting sorta suicidal. I just was so tired of feeling that way, and doing the things I had to do, to 'get what I needed' just to breathe ya know?
I just felt like such a waste.

So yea, Id say two weeks were pretty miserable. My body was SCREAMING for pain pills, anything. and every nerve in my body was like sending signals to my brain to 'get what I neeeded' like the ten plus years before.
even in those two weeks though, it was definitely easier than cold turkey.

And I just dont plan to go off anytime soon. Im okay with that.

So I really do wish you the best. I so hope you can break yourself of this cycle.
Just try and wait 24 hours. I know, I know, easier said than done.
But the race is long my friend.
And in the end, its only with yourself.

Hope that makes sense.
Hang in there, I KNOW you can do this, too.

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Right on, see I've been using for about 5-6 months this time.
In the past subs have always taken all cravings an withdrawl away pretty much as soon as my first dose
Kicked in. The last 3 times I tried getting off the dope and
Getting back on the subs the subs havent given me any relief at
All it's like they were duds. Idk I guess I'm just gonna wait 24 hrs and try again that's what I'm in the process of
Right now! Ugh


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Hey Jameson, I see you just posted this and I just wanted to pop in and say that YOU CAN DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT is not going to be easy breezy the first few days, as I think your tolerance is a litle bit high. BUT, it will, like Amber said, be so worth it in the end. And the sub should make it easier than cold turkey.

How far into the 24 hour waiting period are you? Do you have some crap to distract you during this time??? Post your brains out on here if you have to. Go into the freestyle section and go crazy if you want! LOL!

I really am pulling for you! YOU CAN DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!! Good luck and let meknow how you are!

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Hi Jameson and welcome to the forum. I'm sorry you're having trouble inducing this time. So you're saying that no matter how far into w/d you are when you induce, and no matter how much sub you take, it doesn't relieve your w/d and basically it does nothing? And you are taking it sublingually, right? (Just had to ask.)

That's a real conundrum. The only thing I can think of is what Amber said, that your tolerance is higher than you think it is. And it could have something to do with your prior times on suboxone, I honestly don't know. What you describe doesn't make much sense to me and I've never heard of it happening.

Let us know how you do this time. Good luck withstanding things in the meantime ...hang in there!

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There is no way that my tolerance is too high guys.
A half gram to 3/4 a gram a day, on average a half gram a day.
I've heard of people doing a few grams a day having no problem getting
On subs and gettin relief from them. I think it's because I didn't wait long enough in the
Past few times I've tried to induce.


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If you didn't wait long enough you'd have gone into precipitated withdrawals. If I were you I'd be taking more than 2 mg at a time. I don't think you're taking enough suboxone; that's the only way that sub won't stop your w/d is that if you don't have enough in your system (not if you take it too soon, it doesn't work that way).

Read up on Dr. Junig's blog on induction and how sub works and maybe that'll help at least to understand more about how sub works. Good luck with this induction.

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Hatmake if u take sub too soon it will NOT work. I'm pretty sure this is why it don't work for me.
I took 3 8mg tabs in a matter of less then 24 hrs so I'm pretty sure me not
Taking enough is not the problem. I'm pretty sure I did experience precipitated withdrawals.
I felt worse after I took the sub, it was hard to tell if it was just the progression of my regular wds
Getting worse of the sub causing them to worsen tho.
So ya if u take them to soon they will not work additional to making u feel worse.
I am just concerned with is the reason they haven't worked so far because I've take them too soon
And they are throwing me into pwds or something else.
I find it hard to believe my tolerance is too high for subs.
Ive heard of people with much worse habits then 1/2 gram a day
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How are you feeling now????

are you still waiting to try again???? I mean, are you going to wait a full 24 hours and try again?

wishing you good luck, in whatever you decide

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Im ok right now. Really sick of using to be honest. That excitement we get when we're about
To get drugs and get high doesn't exist anymore for me. I'm ready to quit. Just wanted to gather as much
Info as possible before I give subs another shot. Yes I'm going to wait all over again and give it another
Shot. I'm hoping that waiting 24 hrs this time is gonna do the trick and that when I dose this time
I get some relief!!! Thanks for checking in


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I think that may be your 'golden ticket'
waiting at least 24 hours. If you CAN wait a lil longer, I would. but I imagine your gonna be pretty miserable at the 24 hour mark.

I really hope things go well for you this time. And please take more than 2 mg to start with, OK???

Good luck and keep us posted :wink:

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I am so sick of using and just want to start my subs and
Get my life back. Everytime I try and stop using and wait the 24 hrs before taking
The sub I give in and go use. Any advice? I am afraid that even if I do wait it out
It's not gonna work when I take the subs. Since the last 3 times I've tried to induce the subs
Have given me absolutely no relief. Anyone respond please help.


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I just wanted to weigh in by saying that the golden ticket, as it were, for you is going to be waiting for at LEAST 24 hours before inducing. I don't think that you're not taking enough in terms of daily, but I'd recommend taking 4mg in staggered doses the first day and I wouldn't think that you'd need to go beyond even 16mg, but certainly not beyond 24mg. So, to sum up: Wait 24-36 hours, dose 4mg and wait for signs of relief. The most important thing is to STICK WITH IT...as in KEEP DOSING WITH SUBOXONE rather than go back to whatever your full agonist opioid is. Good luck, my friend. Another important thing is to keep everyone here posted as to your progress!

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You just gotta 'get your mind SET' on it man!!!

Waiting at LEAST 24 hours, maybe 36 if you COULD, is what you need to do, to ENSURE, the suboxone will work. even if you do hit precip/w/d, I think if you KEEP dosing with suboxone, and not go back to dope, you WILL break thru.

But, as YOU said, you didnt wait more than 12 hours the times before, and thats why it didnt work.

I cant do it for ya, But Im in your corner dude. :wink:

You just gotta think about all the shit your tired of. Is there a friend/family member you can reach out to and maybe talk to on the phone thru your 24 hours? I mean NOT the entire 24 hours, but , you know every few hours to give you some strength? you can post here, and Im SURE people will encourage you!!!!!!

we KNOW its hard, believe me. But this is the bridge you gotta get across right now.
Another thing I think would be wise, is to get rid of whatever you have "around'' that's tempting you.
when I induced, I was flat freaking broke, and had burned EVERY last person, had NO options left, PERIOD. so there was NO, getting anything else. I was pretty much left with only suboxone.

Please dig down deep and know you can do this man.
I dont know what else to say,
theres a place called "in the rooms" that has meetings online, and chat 24/7
theres always somebody to talk to 'live' there.
http://www.intherooms.com/public/login

I know giving out other sites is frowned upon, but I think in this case, it might be okay
Anyways, you can sign up and put your status as "burning desire'' and it highlights your name in red,
theres always lotsa people on there. Does that help??????

I hope so.
Im here, the rest of the day on/off

Good luck :wink: :wink: :wink:

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