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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:46 pm 
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Background I'm a 29 yo that was hit by a drunk driver and had my back split in two, rods screws the whole deal has left me in chronic pain. Opiates at first were a godsend and allowed me to function relatively normal. You all know the rest of the story. I built a tolerence to quickly for my doctors liking and ended up getting pain relief by snorting my opana which stregnthened it greatly. Turns into full blown addiction. I could not go 4 hours without it would get very sick. Decide that Ive had it and start sub 6 hours after last dose bad idea gravely ill for 5 days even with taking more sub all the while. Stay on sub and taper completely off in one month. After I get under 1 mg cravings hit me so hard felt like I wasnt in control RELASPE go a week or so go thru whole process again get on subs once more third time now taper in one month and this time my addiction convinces me that I can just take oxy not opana and my pain will be gone and I can live my life again. Well taking between 100- 150 mg a day and its awful I feel awful my pain level isnt good and my addiction isnt satisfied with that amount, so ive only been taking that much oxy for about 2 weeks. Want to start subs for good and try a longer taper this time combined with a anti depressant but dont want to be on sub longterm want to be drug free!

Main question is how long a taper I should do given my history? does anybody have info with sub combined with anti depressant? and at the moment im 13.5 hours without oxy but im hesitant to take sub becuase im only in mild withdrawal, Ive dosed my sub at this point twice before and been fine but that was with the opana and i was in more serious withdrawal? Wondering if the opana or other opiods are shorter acting and you start sub shorter than oxy or it might be I wasnt on the oxy as long and it is weaker so withdrawals are starting off milder? I need some help with this I need to do this for my self Im dying a slow death, Im going to accept my chronic pain over being a slave for myself and newborn son.


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I'm no expert by a long shot, and I'm not familiar with the drugs you are talkign about, but I look at it as opiates are opiates and do pretty much the same thing....

First I want to give you hope....you are a young man, and your body still has the ability to heal...I'm 55 so I know the difference....and Second you don't have to choose to "be a slave to yourself (need for medication) or be in pain. You can reach that goal of beign free from both, but you must do it wisely with a good plan.

You know you have crossed the line into addiction so you will never be safe with opiates...but that doesn't mean you have to live in pain....you won't be much good to your son if you are walking around in pain....Suboxone is a good drug if used properly...I have read story after story of folks in the same situation as you, using the suboxone as a tool while they focus on the other issues....for you your pain... Pain is awful and no should have to live with it, or say I'm going to accept it, feeling they have to tough it out....you will only be miserable... If I were you, and again I am no expert, but I have lots of life experience. I would stay on the lowest dose of suboxone as you can, be relatively pain free so you can enjoy life, and not have any cravings for an opiate...your body will know....and stay on it long enough for it to do it's thing without feeling guilty...things happen in life, and I'm sorry you had such a bad accident. things happen, and then you got addicted, and that happens to a lot of "good" people too....the difference between those who get well, and those who stay stuck, or bouncing around from one thing to another and feeling crumby about themselves is ahving a realistic plan...and doing as much as you can for yourself, the areas you can work on....are yu excercising at all?.. excercise is so good for releiveing pain...it gets your own brain chemistry working right again...you know that good feeling after working out....or watching funny movies and laughing, releases good chemicals in teh body to help you feel good....You have so much to live for a new born son.....He will need his dad in good shape....

If you had diabetis would you feel bad that you needed insulin...or any other condition...with addiciton real changes happen s that is why you need the suboxone. I think one month is too fast...you will keep bouncing around...You don't have to be in such a hurry....do it wisely...try to find a good addiciton/pain specialist...to help you device a plan of treatment....

Keep posting and let us know what you have decided.... I'm new here too....


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Hi,
My name is Shelly and I am a addiction studies student and moderate the online support group here.Let me first tell you that you express wanting to be "drug free" rather quickly, but you are not looking at some important issues concerning what has transpired since your injury. Any opioid taken for long periods of time in more than prescribed doses changes the way your brain reacts to pain. The neurotransmitters in your brain are damaged from the opiates. Suboxone is used to keep those neurotransmitters filled so you do not experience withdrawal, and gives you time to work on the issues that got you in a addictive state. Research has shown that the damage to the brain in many cases, is permanent meaning that either you stay on a maintenance drug indefinitely or try to get clean and deal with long term symptoms. Some choose to deal with the symptoms- it is tolerable, but uncomfortable and many people wind up going back to their drug of choice or a substitute.
If you are going to use Suboxone, and have every intention of staying off of opiates- then I really feel you need to give your recovery the time it needs.Taking a low dose of Suboxone long term is far better than what you have been doing.If you taper from it before your brain has had time to adjust and heal, you will be going in circles.
I live with pain everyday.It sucks, but I am mobile and alive and I am not spending everyday looking for my next dose of painkillers. I take Suboxone and Cymbalta(antidepressant). They work well together, and I have been taking them together for two years. My knees are severely damaged and there is not much that can be done because all the doctors say I am too young for replacement surgery.So, I live with some pain, work shorter hours and am greatful to have a good life with my husband and daughter. Opiates did nothing but screw up my life big time, and I can be mad at the world for being in pain, but it doesn't help my situation.Now, I spend my life trying to help others recover from their demons because I know firsthand what it feels like to be hopeless and lost.
Do yourself a favor- get stabilized on the Suboxone, work with a counselor or support group and put the rest behind you.You have to learn how to live life a new way.You have to stop giving your recovery a time frame because it is much bigger than just you physically.

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Hi hah480. First off I agree with what's been said so far. There are alot of nessacary elements to recovery, but I myself is still early in my own process. Oxy's were my doc so I know how I planned my transition to suboxone. My boyfriens and I did 4 and half 80's on monday befor my induction on wednesday and I did just fine. So if that of any help great if not hang in there and you will find your way. This is a great site full of nice and helpful people.


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wanted to check back in and thanks for all the good advice. I know my thought process is all screwed up and when ive been doing these tapers I do good until I get to around 2mg and under. Then my addiction seems to gain control back its hard to explain but after I'm back on sub again I think to my self why in the world did you do that makes no sense like I have no control. Ive decided to try and take the sub longer at a 2mg dose and do a slow taper after a couple of months. I think I was in such a rush because I figured why trade one withdrawal for the other( sub if I stayed on to long) but I guess if done right and very slowly it will be managable. I want my mind and body back after all this mess I can remember what it felt like to be normal and want it more than anything now. By the way my induction this time was a piece of cake easiest yet think its do to the back and forth and my reduction in opiates between all of it. Havent even had the intense hot flashes and headaches I usually get while on sub. Thanks again for the kind words it really makes a difference! Maybe someday I can repay the favor on here down the line.


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Hi hah,

Glad to hear your induction went smoothly. Try to keep in mind that Suboxone is a tool... it buys you time to deal with your actual issues of addiction. If you plan on staying on Suboxone forever, then Suboxone alone will help you avoid relapsing on other opiates, but if you plan on eventually tapering off to a drug-free state, you will first need to address and change the dysfunctional thinking that led you into active addiction in the first place. Just taking Suboxone for a limited period of time does nothing to address this. You will need to put in the work at www.SMARTRecovery.org or NA/AA or through addiction counselling or other outlet designed to address addiction thinking.

Best of luck to you!


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HI I AM NEW TO THIS SITE BUT SO HAPPY I FOUND IT. IN MY WHOLE CITY I KNOW ONLY 1 PERSON ON SUB. I ALSO HAVE NEVER KNOWN ANYONE ELSE TO KNOW ABOUT OPANA, ALTHOUGH I WAS BUYING THEM FOR $40 EACH 40MG PILL ON THE STREET SNORTING UP TO 6 A DAY. I WAS FORMORLY A HEROIN ADDICT BEFORE I DISCOVERED OPANA. WENT TO A 30 DAY IN HOUSE REHAB STARTED SUB ABOUT 5 YEARS AGO AN THEN DISCOVERED OPANA AND RELAPSED. I HAVE RHEMATOID ARTHRITIS THAT WAS UNDIAGNOSED FOR ABOUT 4 YEARS. (BEING AN ADDICT NOONE BELIEVED ME)I DECIDED TO TREAT THE PAIN MYSELF. OPANA WAS PROBABLY THE WORST THING I HAVE EVER DONE. IN MY OPINION IT WAS SUCH A STRONG MED WHEN ABUSED AND SNORTED THAT SUBS WERE EVEN UNABLE TO HELP ME FOR AT LEAST 4-5 DAYS. I GUESS WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY IS I BELIEVE THAT IF U HAVE FOUND THAT SUBOXONE HAS WORKED FOR U WITH CRAVINGS ETC. THEN I THINK U SHOULD STAY ON IT. IT HAS ONLY BEEN A LITTLE HELP FOR THE TREATMENT OF PAIN BUT IT HAS SAVED MY LIFE. I HAVENT CONCENTRATED OR EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT COMING OFF OF IT. I AM AT 4-8MG A DAY ALTERNATING WICH WORKS FINE. I THINK TOO MANY PEOPLE WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT BEING TOTALLY DRUG FREE. IF SOMETHING WORKS WELL FOR US WITH LITTLE OR NO SIDE AFFECTS THEN WHY SHOULD WE CHANGE THAT WHEN THE CHANCE OF RELAPSE WITHOUT IT IS SO HIGH AND IT PROBABLY MORE THAN DOUBLES FOR THOSE OF US WITH CHRONIC PAIN. WHO WANTS TO LIVE LIKE THAT. I REALLY HOPE U WILL RECONSIDER STAYING ON SUBOXONE EVEN IF AT A LOW MAINTANENCE DOSE. I KNOW FOR A FACT IF I WAS TO TAPER DOWN AND STOP I WOULD STILL TRY TO SELF MEDICATE AND WE ALL KNOW THAT AN OPIATE ADDICT CANNOT TAKE JUST THE PRESCRIBED DOSAGE AND EVEN IF WE COULD WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS OUR TOLERANCE WOULD BE BACK TO WHAT IT ONCE WAS-EVENTUALLY KILLING US...I HOPE U MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR U AND UR FAMILY-SARA


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I know this isn't exactly on subject but opana's are the big thing in my neck of the woods. People shoot them up and can't get enough of them. A 10mg pill will go for around $45. Sorry but the poster above said they hadn't heard fo too many other people knowing of them.


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its unreal the price we paid just to feel good for a few hours. on a lighter note-im so glad im not in ur neck of the woods


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