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I Was taking subs for a year and a half about 1mg. per day my vicodine addictions was about 5-6 pills?a day for 10yrs i stopped taking the Suboxone in april. I thought it would be easy and now its Nov and im still sick. After 5weeks i couldnt take the withdrawals any more i have to work so i started taking a half 7.5 vicodine twice a day. I Thought i would get better. went to the Dr. he said i cant be in whithdrawal anymore gave me vicodine and Paxil. also i take xanax as needed for anxiety i cant take the Paxil it gets me sick. I have to take 3 vicodine a day to stop the Burning in my arms legs and feet,also the back of my legs Chills and head Zaps my whole body feels like pins and needles and it only helps for a couple of hours.I still have deppression and that burning feeling cant get well should i go back on the subs? can anyone please help me ?
Also the Burnning and Zapping GEts worst when i get Excited Happy or Stressed


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Hi piano man". and welcome to the forum. i'm a piano man too" i have a home music studio. about the suboxone
i'm not quiet sure,and i'm not a doctor. but it sounds like your going through a tipe of depression, that may not
b related to why your off of your 1mg suboxone. but going back on the 1mg could bring some help to you if your
having W/D. people have said here on the program about suboxone helping with depression, and i also believe it
help's. i have been through the problem you are going through. you need to be pat- and try to see a dr that can
what you need for this problem. i no it realy suuucks going through this. but like i said, try not to worry to much.
other poster's/member's and the( MODERATORS) will also be here soon to help you out!! thank's and welcome
to the forum/ JOHNBOY.


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Hey painoman! Good to see another keyboardist come on board.

It sounds like you're going through some testing stuff at the moment, but you will get through it. Regardless of whether it's your desire to come off opioids or the Paxil.

Firstly, are you prescribed the Vicodin for pain? If not, it's really surprising that your doctor would prescribe it to you just for the withdrawals. If you could let us know exactly what the situation is of why you were put on Vicodin etc, why you chose to taper etc.

Tapering is hard, and staying off opioids takes determination. But what sounds interesting is the Paroxetine. If you're getting "zaps", burning limbs, those are a real telltale sign of SNRI / SSRI withdrawal. Paroxetine / Paxil / Aropax is notorious for these effects once someone stop taking it. You said that Paxil makes you feel sick. Did you stop taking it recently?

It wouldn't be hard for someone to mistake Paxil withdrawal from opioid withdrawal. While they feel different, there's some similarities. Taking opioids for paxil withdrawal would be useless, and could end up in relapse. Taking Paxil for opioid physical withdrawals would be useless IMO.


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I agree with Tearj3rker - what you are describing sounds suspiciously like withdrawals from Paxil (or some other SSRI/SNRI). You didn't say how long you took it for, but that could definitely account for what you're feeling. I don't know what kind of doctor is writing these prescriptions for you, but maybe consult a different kind of doctor, like a psychiatrist - one who deals with SSRI/SNRI's? Just a thought. Good luck to you and let us know how it turns out.

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I only tried paxil for about a week the Dr. tried to see if it would help im going to see him on the 2nd of Dec to see if there is any other thing i could take for the Burnning. i dont think this could still be withdrawal.from the suboxone but the burnning gets me vey depressed. But i heard sometimes suboxone withdrwal last a very long time as for the vicodine its the only thing that helps for a couple of hours im really stuck dont know what to do. I want to be off drugs so bad but i'm hurting to much and suboxone i might be sensative to it plus when i was on it i couldnt have a bowl movement dont know what to do should i go back on subs Please Help !!!!


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If you haven't taken suboxone since April, then I can't really see how there would be any left in your system - any opiates for that matter until your doc gave you the vic's recently. Now you were on other opiates for 10 years so part of your issues could be PAWS - post acute withdrawal syndrome. (You can Google that for more info.) That can happen to some people from any opiate that's taken long term - not just suboxone.

I honestly can't explain what's happening to your body right now. I'd really suggest seeing another kind of doctor - has your doctor done any significant amount of blood work on you? I'd say that's somewhere to start in figuring out what's going on.

I wish I had something concrete to offer you, but I don't. I do hope you get some relief soon though. Let us know what you find out.

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hatmaker510 wrote:
If you haven't taken suboxone since April, then I can't really see how there would be any left in your system - any opiates for that matter until your doc gave you the vic's recently. Now you were on other opiates for 10 years so part of your issues could be PAWS - post acute withdrawal syndrome. (You can Google that for more info.) That can happen to some people from any opiate that's taken long term - not just suboxone.

I honestly can't explain what's happening to your body right now. I'd really suggest seeing another kind of doctor - has your doctor done any significant amount of blood work on you? I'd say that's somewhere to start in figuring out what's going on.

I wish I had something concrete to offer you, but I don't. I do hope you get some relief soon though. Let us know what you find out.


Yes he did all the blood work everything came back fine and i did read about paws i dont think it list the burning that is really what i suffer from the most but i do know i have depression dont know what this could be thank you


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hi pianoman". Tear and Hat- exp- well i believe . but 'like i said' your going through some thing that takes time to
either heal, or correct from your doc. i still think it's just going to take some time.


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Hi John Like i said in my first post i quit all opiates back in April for 6wks i couldnt take the sub whitdrawal and had to take an 1/2 of vic 2x daily because i have to work i couldnt fuction anymore and i had to wait 3mos. for my insur to kick in. when i finaly went to the doc he said it was Deppression and gave me the paxil which i only took for a couple of days and stopped because it made me sick. He offerd the subs but i'm scared of them now dont know how to ween off. And things i read on the internet about how hard they are to get off and what im going thru Hopefully this will just go away. I know i need to see a better Doc. and prob. get back on the subs but right now im stuck were i'm at with this horriable burnning and depression Thank you all for your input i will keep you posted


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pianoman wrote:
Hi John Like i said in my first post i quit all opiates back in April for 6wks i couldnt take the sub whitdrawal and had to take an 1/2 of vic 2x daily because i have to work i couldnt fuction anymore and i had to wait 3mos. for my insur to kick in. when i finaly went to the doc he said it was Deppression and gave me the paxil which i only took for a couple of days and stopped because it made me sick. He offerd the subs but i'm scared of them now dont know how to ween off. And things i read on the internet about how hard they are to get off and what im going thru Hopefully this will just go away. I know i need to see a better Doc. and prob. get back on the subs but right now im stuck were i'm at with this horriable burnning and depression Thank you all for your input i will keep you posted


TO: PIANOMAN: I wonder why your doctor just put you on 1mg. of sub? That is an awfully low dose. I think it would be wise to get back on the sub (ask for subutex because it is cheaper and doesn't have the naloxone in it) and maybe go up to 8 mg. If you don't feel better right away you will at least know it might be the subs. I don't think you took paxil long enough to have withdrawals from it. When I quit Paxil cold turkey I had this feeling like I was plugged in to 110 volts that would come on about every 30 minutes. Please, please do not take vicodin for this....if you are indeed an addict you will be back on them in no time. It would be much better to take the sub., also an opiate, but not addictive like vicodin. This is all just my opinion...I am no doctor..but I do think you should talk this over with your doctor and mention what I've said here.


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well'. going back on suboxone, and then slowly tapering off it on such a small dose. it would be
much easy'r than trying to control a drug that got us on suboxone in the first place?
it is hard to determine 'what meds we realy need to focus on' and some times we may need more
than less. like slipper said". you are or were on such small dose. and your feeling worse?


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Hi,

Another piano player here. Welcome.

Wow. I'm just guessing, but this does not sound like opiate withdrawal. You took opiates for 10 years - that can cover up existing medical issues. If I were you, and I'm not so take this for what it's worth, I would get a complete physical done from head to toe. The symptoms you describe fit many chronic ailments, both physical and mental. And it doesn't surprise me that taking vics again makes you feel better for a while. Opiates can make any problem go away. Good luck to you, hope you find an answer.

Jimmy


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Jimmy wrote:
Hi,

Another piano player here. Welcome.

Wow. I'm just guessing, but this does not sound like opiate withdrawal. You took opiates for 10 years - that can cover up existing medical issues. If I were you, and I'm not so take this for what it's worth, I would get a complete physical done from head to toe. The symptoms you describe fit many chronic ailments, both physical and mental. And it doesn't surprise me that taking vics again makes you feel better for a while. Opiates can make any problem go away. Good luck to you, hope you find an answer.

Jimmy


That's so true. There's even a theory being bandied about recovery circles that it's only people with some kind of pre-existing emotional / physical pain who feel relief from drugs of addiction, as they're the only ones who have pain to kill. It explains why there's such a link between physical pain / mental illness / trauma etc and addiction. Some people call it being born "a pill less than normal", as it was only after they took drugs that they felt human.


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pianoman wrote:
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If you haven't taken suboxone since April, then I can't really see how there would be any left in your system - any opiates for that matter until your doc gave you the vic's recently. Now you were on other opiates for 10 years so part of your issues could be PAWS - post acute withdrawal syndrome. (You can Google that for more info.) That can happen to some people from any opiate that's taken long term - not just suboxone.

I honestly can't explain what's happening to your body right now. I'd really suggest seeing another kind of doctor - has your doctor done any significant amount of blood work on you? I'd say that's somewhere to start in figuring out what's going on.

I wish I had something concrete to offer you, but I don't. I do hope you get some relief soon though. Let us know what you find out.


Yes he did all the blood work everything came back fine and i did read about paws i dont think it list the burning that is really what i suffer from the most but i do know i have depression dont know what this could be thank you


dosent paws last for years? and what are the symptoms ?I get burnning in my arms , legs and tingling sensation in my head also depression. Please help


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PAWS can go on for a long time, but I'd say more often months than years, but everyone is different. But with all your further and continued descriptions of what's going on with you, I don't know how sure I am about PAWS any more. I really think you need to see more of a specialist - maybe an endocrinologist. Perhaps you could speak to your doctor about referring you to one? I really do wish I could offer you something more concrete.

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Hi John Like i said in my first post i quit all opiates back in April for 6wks i couldnt take the sub whitdrawal and had to take an 1/2 of vic 2x daily because i have to work i couldnt fuction anymore and i had to wait 3mos. for my insur to kick in. when i finaly went to the doc he said it was Deppression and gave me the paxil which i only took for a couple of days and stopped because it made me sick. He offerd the subs but i'm scared of them now dont know how to ween off. And things i read on the internet about how hard they are to get off and what im going thru Hopefully this will just go away. I know i need to see a better Doc. and prob. get back on the subs but right now im stuck were i'm at with this horriable burnning and depression Thank you all for your input i will keep you posted


TO: PIANOMAN: I wonder why your doctor just put you on 1mg. of sub? That is an awfully low dose. I think it would be wise to get back on the sub (ask for subutex because it is cheaper and doesn't have the naloxone in it) and maybe go up to 8 mg. If you don't feel better right away you will at least know it might be the subs. I don't think you took paxil long enough to have withdrawals from it. When I quit Paxil cold turkey I had this feeling like I was plugged in to 110 volts that would come on about every 30 minutes. Please, please do not take vicodin for this....if you are indeed an addict you will be back on them in no time. It would be much better to take the sub., also an opiate, but not addictive like vicodin. This is all just my opinion...I am no doctor..but I do think you should talk this over with your doctor and mention what I've said here.


I took the subs on my own i didnt have insur and my brother-in-law was getting them I was taking little pieces just to stay of painkillers but i took it for over a year 1/2 and didnt taper right thats why i think im going thru all this. I have insur now do you think Blue Cross will cover it. Also one of the reasons i stopped was i coldnt go to the bathroom any help is appreciated


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