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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:27 pm 
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: i have been clean off opiates for 2 years now however i have recently had some issues where pain meds were prescribed to me and i believe this has awaken my demons again. my day is consumed with thoughts of using again and if given the chance i know i would. in my previos 8 years of using i managed to get clean 4 times but relapsed within a month. prior to this clean time i was clean for 9 months but caved again my question is would i be a good candidate for suboxone. i am really afraid that im gonna give in at anytime ive been fighting this feeling for 3 weeks and its getting stronger everyday. please help with your thoughts..


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Hi kellz and welcome to the forum. Yes, I think you're still a good candidate for suboxone treatment. It would keep you in remission and abate all of your cravings. Relapses can be very dangerous and we have to guard against them. You know your limitations and if you know you are at risk then you are! With sub treatment, you can stay on it any length of time, whatever is best for you. But if you've struggled with active addiction for many years, remember that it will take time to break all those old habits. Try not to end your treatment before you're ready, if going off it is your end goal.

Good luck to you and again, welcome to the forum.

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Naltrexone is something you might consider as well. Naltrexone is an opiate antagonist, it'll block most any opiate you ingest from getting to the opiate receptors in your brain.

Are you working any kind of recovery program?? AA, NA, SMART recovery. Do you have any kind of support group?? Staying off of opiates can be quite tricky at times, a support group and some kind of recovery has been a must for me.

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hatmaker thanks for your positive input. i dont have insurance but found a doc i can see real cheap i go tomorrow at 1 but this is just a health care clinic so i dont know how they are about addiction treatment, i just know i want it to be different this time so im bein open about my thoughts feelings and these terrible cravings im having. these feelings is what made me relapse because i was ashamed to tell anyone, hopefully the doc will understand. also i have a appointment wednesday for oral surgery and they are real quick to give out pain meds even tho they know mysituation. romeo can u tell me a little more about the naltrexone, is that some thing prescribed seperate from suboxene and if so what is the difference between the 2. does it also help with cravings or just block opiates if theyre taken? thank yall so much for welcoming me and getting back so quick i really appreciate the help


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i forgot to add i am not currently doing a program i have just returned home from finishing school in albuquerque and i guess i thought i was ok i mean i really was ok for 2 years clean as a whistle the whole time..i did the inpatient rehab and upon relaese i stayed in contact with the girls and we attended meetings together then after 3 weeks of that we all were getting high together. my downfall in the past has been bad influences and me being weak. this time i am around my very supportive family and friends no one has put the thoughts in my head BUT ME im a sick addict i think about it all the time.. i tried meetings with my mother to but i never liked them, right now i would be willing to try again. i know i dont wanna go down that road again but my addiction is fighting my mind everyday and im scared..im like looking for a reason..sorry im rambling but i just have a lot on my mind and its mostly about getting high i wanna change that


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Hello and welcome
it is great that you are asking questions to stay "clean" that is the most important thing is to do what you have to do. I would have to say to look up suboxone websites and then make your decision. Suboxone is a "miricle" drug for me I was in active addition when I discovered it. Suboxone is also addictive. IMO I would reseach all options and resources then make up your mind.

You have been clean for 2 years CONGRADS!!!!!! That is HUGE and I hope it will be many many more.
I would diffently do whatever possible to stay away from active addiction Just take your time (if possible) and make sure you do what is best
for you!!!!

Good luck and It is always great to have support. I also have a great support team family and friends it makes a big difference in our recovery.Please keep us posted we are cheering for you
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Hey Kellz,

Suboxone is an opiate, Naltrexone is not. That's the main difference between the two.

Suboxone is actually a partial agonist, whereas pain meds are full agonists. Because Suboxone is an opiate, it will occupy your opiate receptors and eliminate your cravings, but because it's a partial agonist opiate, it's not supposed to get you high. Suboxone isn't addictive, per se, but you will more than likely become dependent on it with continued use. The dependency will cause you to suffer wd when you discontinue Suboxone, unless you taper off of it very slowly, which many on this forum have done successfully.

Naltrexone is a pure opiate antagonist. It will bind so tightly to your opiate receptors that most other opiates (pain meds) won't be able to get to those receptors, so even if you took some pain meds, you wouldn't get high. From what I know, Naltrexone will not eliminate cravings, it simply blocks the effects of opiates. The explanations I've heard go something like this.....person X is on Naltrexone, they slip up and try to use, but they don't get high. They do this a few times then they say screw it and don't try to use anymore because they can't get high, thus their cravings stop. To the best of my knowledge, Naltrexone doesn't cause any sort of dependency.

You're in a bit of a unique situation, you're already off of all opiates and that's why either one of these meds would work for you. Suboxone will eliminate your cravings, but you may become dependent on it. Naltrexone won't eliminate your cravings, but you won't become dependent on it.

Please remember, I'm just some dork on the internet, I am NOT a doctor, nor am I an addiction specialist. I'm just trying to present you with the facts as I know them.

BTW, I was on Suboxone for almost 3 years. When I quit Suboxone, I tried Naltrexone for a week or so and then decided to "fly solo" and stopped taking it. I've slipped/lapsed/relapsed 3 times since being off of Suboxone and my last slip almost killed me.

Please continue to ask any questions you have. There are some extremly sharp people on this forum and hopefully they'll continue to pop in and offer you their thoughts.

This part may sound crazy, but hear me out, if you do decide to use again, please start slowly. Your tolerance is incredibly low right now and it's TOO easy to overdose and die!! Also, notice how I said, "if you do decide to use again", you have a choice whether to use or not.....you always have a choice, I hope you choose not use Kellz.

One more thing, you can NOT take Suboxone and Naltrexone, you would only take one or the other.

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romeo ur an angel thank you so much for all this needed information, i have been reading till my eyes bug out on all these meds and u have so easily summed things up for me in just a few minutes, and u made me think and realize how long and hard i worked to get to where i am today, i try to hold on to that all the time but the sick demon is getting stronger. i cant hold it in cuz we all know what happens with that. also i thinks it effin awesome how u gave me all the info and still words of wisdom if i did go the wrong route, very cool. but with fingers crossed lets hope that dont happen. i will take all this in and then see what happens with the doc tomorrow. ill update as soon as i get home. :D thanks again friend


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I just want to pop in & welcome you to the forum I am Queenie, the grandmother of the family here. I am 69 yrs. old

I hope you can get the help you need. If it's with Suboxone then let it be. Stay strong and don't give in to the cravings. You can do it. Take it one minute at a time. I know how you feel. Being addicted to pain medication because of health problems, I understand your feelings. Write to us all you want. When you feel the cravings, just write to us. Someone will answer you. Sometimes distraction is the key.

I will keep you in my thoughts and pray for positive things to happen at your appointment tomorrow.

You will win the battle.

Love, Queenie


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thank you ms queenie ur so sweet, i woke up thinking about this and still fighting myself.. on one hand i think i got this and dont need any help but thats what got me before and i havent been honest with a doctor since 2000 so im going go in today and throw it all out there and see what happens. its sooooo nice to know i have this help here at my fingertips. thank you again for ur concern and ur help. wish me luck here i go :?


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