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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 4:15 pm 
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Hi everyone. I am brand new here. I have been reading allof the stories here and some are motivating and others sound like my worst nightmare.lol

I really need some help with getting off of suboxone and I have read a million different threads about it and it seems like it is different for everyone. So I am trying to find someone that can help that maybe has a similar reaction to subs as I do.

I have been on subs for almost 3 years. Had a hardcore Oxy addiction before hand and to be honest, subs saved my life at the time. But lately I have been noticing more an more side effects of the suboxone. No energy, motivation, drive etc. I have developed a heart arythmia (not sure if that is sub related or not), losing hair a rapid rate. Really the biggest issue for me right now is that I have trouble holding a job. I have trouble falling asleep, but when I do, it is impossible to wake up (I will sleep right through my alarm clock). anyways, I know it is time to be done with these.

Now Some people I read talk about how they were in WD's for months after they quit and that is what really freaks me out.

I started with 3 to 4 tabs a day and got all the way done to 4 mg a day about 4 months ago. I recently started taking more (stupid move) because I thought it might help me at work. so basically right now I am at 12 mg a day of suboxone. I know I can get back down to 4mg in a week or week and a half. I did it last time and was able to hold firm for 3 to 4 months or longer.

Here is how it effects me, as I know it is different for everyone.

I will feel withdrawals in less than 8 to 12 hours, no matter how many I take. If I take 1 in the morning, by afternoon, I get constant yawning, and intense sleepiness, restless legs, runny nose etc. My doctor said that it is impossible due to the half life being 72 hours, but I know for sure as I have tested it many times. I take a 4 to 6 mg in the morning and 6 to 8mg at night depending. If I took all of that in the morning, I would feel WD'S by 6 or 7 at night, so that is why I spread it out.

Here is my deal. I recently got a job that I have been pushing for a real long time. I do not start for 35 days or so and I want to try and get off in that time. Is it possible to do a fast ween and then go the last 10 to 15 days without anything and be healthy enough to be effective at work? I don't know if that is possible or not.

I am hoping that since I hit WD's fast that it means it goes through my body fairly quickly.

Any ideas here?

Thank you guys.


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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 4:43 pm 
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I'm with you on the job thing. Cept' I'm on day 3 and only have 14 days left before I have to get back to work or thats it. I'm toast.
Like we all said, not doctors, just experiencers. But in my experience, I've come down off of high doses of morphine, scarily high doses of oxy, and much higher doses of subox. I'm making this the final withdrawal of my life. I've noticed with straight opiate WD the come down can be much more intense, and suboxone can be less intense, more sticky and upsetting and drawn out. If you're on a time limit, then tapering down will lower the intensity a bit, but in a taper-down that quick? not by a huge amount. The sooner you get off the sooner you'll be better. 35 days you'll probably still have depression. But who knows. Lots of people are completely fine at day 20.

I'll sit here and be scared with you. This message board is all I got.


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Thanks for responding. The good thing is that I have great support. Not concerned about depression too much as I am so excited to be off this and i know this is the price I have to pay. I am just worried about this going on for months like some on here talk about.

Now I have heard of people getting back on slight amounts of agonist opiates to temper the WD's when coming off of subs. I know this is not recommended, but what I am worried about is getting to 15 days, and then not being able to take it anymore. Wouldn't it be smarter to take something such as morphine, which I despise more than anything, but at least it keeps me from getting back on the subs?

My motivation to get off of subs is at the highest I think I will ever be. I got sick as hell in december and the doc gave me 20 5 mg vics for the pain. Almost 105 degree temp. etc. was inthe hospital for 3 days. Anyhow I went 5 days without subs, just taking about 15mg of vics a day. I felt like total shit and couldn't do anything until I got back on the subs, but I could sleep and it was bearable.

I don't know....


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If you start juggling other drugs then you're just going to make it worse. If you're not worried about the depression, which is the only thing that frightens me, then you'll be alright. The pain and sweat and stuff goes away in the first few weeks. Theres just a dark, general ickyness and depression that last afterwards.


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Ok. Well then I think I am going to try and do it. Look I went from making 6 figures a year, with a happy healthy relationship, house cars etc. and lost it all. not because of drugs, but because of the market. I am 34 and this job that I got is the only thing in my life giving me hope right now, aside from getting off of subs and my family. I have been so depressed for so long now, I already hit rock bottom.

Thank you for the advice.


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Also, I have heard of people, including a friend that weened down to tiny, tiny amounts as was able to get off of subs with virtually no serious WD'S.

I know I can do this too, but I am almost thinking that I rather go through massive hell for a few weeks, than to drag it out of 3 months and possibly fail.

This is so frustrating!!!


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As far as I've heard that tiny doses things last way longer than 3 months. We're talking talking about tapering down for a lonnnng time. It's a tedious process.

Go through the nightmare. I'll be here.


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So I am at 12mgs a day right now. I know i can get down to 4mg in 10 days. Are you saying, jump then, or just jump now from 12? I have only been on 12 mg a day for 3 weeks, before that I was on 4mgs for 4 months.


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Well, you should probably wait and hear some other opinions before you decide.

But my experience tells me that coming off of 12mg right now, and 4mg 10 days from now wont make a huge impact in your symptoms. 10 days isn't exactly tapering. You still have a lot going on in your system. If I was on a time limit, I wouldn't waste any more time messing with the shit.

There's people who come off of 0.50mg and its still rough. Everyone is different. I'm sure you've read the best vitamins to take.

Anyway, like I said. Wait for some more responses. A lot of people might tell you that jumping off of the higher dosage is more dangerous. But I don't know. None of us are doctors. And the problem is that lots of different doctors will tell you different things too. It sucks.


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Yeah when I spoke to my doctor about it and told him what I read, I got the classic, "Do you believe everything you read on the internet?"

I told him of course I didn't but he was saying I should be able to come off at 1mg and it would only suck for a couple of days and then be fine.

Obviously, I have not read that anywhere, but as I said I start feeling WD's in the same day, all of the time. And I pretty much feel like shit every morning because I typically will not have had anything for 12 hours or so. And I literally cannot get out of bed some days, until it kicks in. I am hoping that means that my body processes it quickly, meaning that I will be feeling alright in a week or so. I have read probably 15 accounts of feeling better by day 5 physically, but not mentally for a few months.

So i don't know... I just wish I had gotten off of it earlier and wasn't taking so damn much in the beginning. 4 months before I was on subs, I was clean from everything for a month. I was using about 320 to 400 mg of OC a day. I ran out of money had 12 mgs of sub and stretched it out over 4 or 5 days and felt like I had the flu for a day or two, then was good.

Going through that is why I am so tempted to just go on morphine for a month and then ween off in a week or so using a little suboxone. But I want to do it the right way.

how about using tramamdol. I have read some doctors prescribe that to help with WD too. Anyone have any stories with it?


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Not sure about tramadol. I'm gonna try to get some klonopin prescribed for muscles and nerves. But seriously, a lot of drug rehab specialists are ex-users themselves and went about getting a doctorate in something they were passionate about. Others not, and all of their information is stuff they've come to the conclusion to based off existing articles in medical journals. We aren't supposed to bash opinions here, but don't let anyone tell you that you can sit on 1mg for a little bit and pop off with just a couple days of hurties. No way, dude.

3 years? This is in your system. Don't do the morphine. This is something I'm confident about. I can honestly say I've been through this situation. I thought it would be a good idea. Its not. The morphine will suspend your opiate withdrawal, hurt what the suboxone was trying to do the whole time, you'll hate the withdrawal from that, and either get back on drugs or go back to suboxone.


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That makes sense. I wont do the morph.


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I wouldn't jump from 12mg. If you can get to 4mg quickly and stay there for a bit, do that. You can also get some comfort meds like clonodine, trazodone for sleep if needed....as you know everyone is different and who knows how you will respond. But one thing you said that jumped out at me and that is you are very motivated right now and that makes you happy (to get off Sub).

I was on methadone (at a clinic) for 2.5 years and felt just like you described...no motivation, not drive for anything, and I hated it. I made a decision to go on sub and when I did i was so excited and motivated to get off methadone. Prior to that I thought I'd never be able to get off of Methadone...but one day it hit me, I needed to make the switch. So I jumped from 75mg methadone. I never thought I'd be able to handle it...but for some reason I had very minimal w/d...I stopped methadone for 6 days before going on Sub. I took about 5-5mg vicodins total that week to help ease the w/d but i doubt they did anything except offer me a psychological crutch. The point being I was sooo motivated to get off of Methadone and because i wanted it so much and I was so hating methadone that my w/d were almost nonexistent. I waited 6 days because I still didn't have enough w/d to really start sub I thought....I was afraid of precipitated w/d from the sub....but by day 6 I was sick of waiting and started sub...did great.

I am now on 6mg and been on 6 months. I want to get off by the end of the year. I'll keep slowly tapering.

I think you might as well go to 4mg..give your brain a chance to organize there and jump from there if you are in hurry. If not try tapering lower. My sub dr does say that under 4mg it does become very difficult to taper for many. He said about 15% of his patients experience a protracted withdrawal. I think keeping it simple is best...not mixing other opiates even though its possible that they may help your symptoms it is also very dangerous for us. Ask for Clonodine which will lower your blood pressure and heart rate, help you sleep, help anxiety, Trazodone for sleep if you need, maybe a benzo for the anxiety, but very short term. Exercise, get your natural endorphins going, drink lots of water (64oz/day), steam room...and hopefully it will go ok for you.

If nothing else you go back on sub for a while. There is nothing wrong with that. You don't want that I know but this is a complex disease with a complicated medication...

Good luck


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