Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:24 am
Before you get on Suboxone, I wanted you to know that it is an opiate too, although it's what's called a partial agonist. The perc's and H you were taking are full agonist, they fully stimulate the opiate receptors in your brain, but Suboxone, being a partial agonist, only partially stimulates those receptors. For many of us, that partial stimulation of our opiate receptors is enough to make our cravings go away completely, but there are still some of us who get cravings while on Suboxone.
A proper response to your question is a bit difficult because you're already off of opiates. Many on this forum would encourage you to get on Suboxone, some will tell you not to.....I'm trying to walk a fine line between both and just give you information. Most people who come to this forum are on opiates and can not stop, they have or are ruining their lives and Suboxone helps them to break that cycle. You're a bit of a special case in that you're off opiates, but now really struggling.
I have no doubt that Suboxone would help eliminate most or all of your cravings, but if you ever decide to stop taking Suboxone, you will have to go through wd from it. Many here decide to taper off of Suboxone and that helps to minimize their wd greatly. But, even if you get on Suboxone and don't do any recovery work, when you get off of Suboxone, you're gonna probably be right back where you are now, having cravings.
I think what you neglected to do is to incorporate some kind of recovery into your life once you quit using drugs.
In your case, I can certainly see two angles. #1---get on Suboxone, halt the cravings, work some kind of recovery and go from there. #2---start working your ass off on recovery right now and start getting those cravings under control.
I hope some other members swing by and give their input.
I just thought of a third option, it's called Naltrexone. Naltrexone will block any opiate you take. Naltrexone is a pure opiate antagonist, it occupies your receptors and does not stimulate them at all, as far as I know, there is no wd coming off of Naltrexone. Also, because Naltrexone doesn't stimulate the opiate receptor, many still report having cravings while on Naltrexone, but if they give into those cravings and use, nothing happens and for many of them that cools down future cravings.
Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:05 pm
Romeo said exactly what I was going to say so it saved me some typing.
The hardest part of staying off opiates is the mental cravings. Yes, Suboxone does rid one of those but like you already heard, you will be right back where you are now if and when you decide to stop. It takes roughly a year w/o any opiates to be free of the mental cravings. (from what I've read) Personally, I don't have that kind of experience but would gladly trade places with you today. I'd sit my arse down in a 12 step meeting or go see an addiction therapist to work on myself. It is said that it takes at least 90 days to break a habit. At least give it that long if you haven't already tried.
Plus, your doctor may be like mine who believes no one should be on Suboxone for more than six months. The tapering starts the 2nd month.
Do you really want to go backwards and take an opiate? It may be the best way for you. Only you can judge for yourself. But one way or another you will have to face the demon of the craving head on. There is no easy or magic way to get 'er done.
If you have already decided to go onto Sub, then I wish you the best and yes, you will feel much better. Just make sure he starts you on a fairly low dose like 1 or 2mgs to start. You might possibly get sick with anything higher. It is VERY powerful.
Good Health no matter what you decide. And Welcome to the Forum!
Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:36 pm
Thanks so much for your input you guys....I appreciate it and am really on the fence with this one....I did go a little crazy yesterday, and I searched violently for anything I may have left behind in any of my secret little places. I ended up finding a little top piece of a bag and yes, it had a tiny bit of tar left on it. I felt almost like I was gonna cry and quickly got out some foil, cut a straw, breathed gently on that bag and stamped it nice and hard on the foil and it was just enough to get the taste and smell of that H that I have been craving sooooooo badly. I felt like complete shit after that but I couldnt control it. Today, I called a treatment center and the dude advised me to not go on subs, despite my little slip up, but to check myself into treatment for 28 days cuz its so hard to get and stay clean at home on your own....well, I just cant check out for that long..it is not possible, at all. I told him I would still think it over and definitely check out an na meeting but I still have the apt with the doc for the subs... I just dont know what to do. This is the shittiest spot to be in, I swear. I definitely am going to talk to someone.... get some counseling and I definitely dont wanna go through wds again getting off the subs, but its almost like they are coming back....I havent slept really the last 2 nights and my anxiety is thru the roof... I just wanna feel calm. So pissed at myself for putting myself here, especially after watching everything my dad went through as a heroin then methadone addict.... depressing and consuming.
Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:05 pm
In my opinion, recovery is learning how to deal with life without turning to drugs. We addicts SUCK at dealing with our emotions. We run from any pain or discomfort like it was gonna kill us. Until you learn how to deal with your emotions without turning to drugs, you're gonna crave. To me, recovery is not necessarily NA or AA or a 28 day rehab stint, recovery is learning how to deal with ourselves not taking drugs. Those programs help us learn how to deal with ourselves, but they're not the only path forward. There are self help books out there about addiction, there are individual addiction counselors and then some people are able to quit with no assistance....I think the people who quit without assistance do their own recovery, they just may not be aware of it? If you're willing to take a long, deep, hard look into yourself REAL soon, recovery may get you to where you want to be.
The fact that you used yesterday is of great concern. Like Rule said, maybe go on a low dose of Suboxone (1 or 2mg) and see how that works. If you start at a low dose and you're able to stay fairly low, you should be able to taper off fairly easily when you decide to.
Whatever you decide, I wish you the absolute best of luck and I hope you decide to keep us updated.
Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:32 am
Don't be so hard on yourself.. You know that logic goes out the window with us.. People don't understand that, but I'm pretty sure everyone here does..
The people here have given you great advice-especially in regards to the warnings about suboxone and future detox.. You're in a tough spot, I feel for you.. There are DEFINITELY risks in going back on the subs.. But sometimes you have to look at the risks associated with NOT treating your disease.. From what you said it sounds like you're headed for a relapse.. If that is the case I know that I personally would get on a low dose of sub as soon as possible-especially given your family history.. Only you can make that choice though..
I applaud you for being proactive with this- I wish I would have been able to do exactly what you're doing so many times in the past. I know it's so hard right now, but you really are on the right track- just by coming here and talking about it as well as calling your dr.. Good luck- pulling for you
Tue May 08, 2012 1:54 pm
Interesting that you got advise to go to rehab. I'm not a big fan of rehabs -- I think their success rate is pretty low, and that medical-assisted treatment is the way to go. However as Romeo or someone else said, you need to be aware (as I'm sure you are) that Suboxone is an opiate. Unless you get a doc who holds you to a limited period of treatment, you may need to face the fact that you will be on maintenance for a while. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing -- methadone maintenance has kept me clean. Good luck.
Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group.
Website designed by Nevdo.