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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 10:05 pm 
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This has been a big topic on here lately, the old "Where's my sex drive gone" and "Why have my nuts shrunk" ... Maybe it's time we came up with some ideas to address it that aren't pumping our bodies full of DHEA.

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14 ways to naturally Increase your testosterone

1. Get more Zinc

Zinc is very important for the production of natural testosterone because Zinc prevents testosterone from being converted into estrogen (the female hormone) by making the enzyme aromatase not work (look at #3 below) plus…

Zinc itself turns estrogen into testosterone and Zinc helps produce healthier sperm and higher sperm counts so actually… Low levels of zinc can cause low testosterone levels.

Foods high in Zinc include oysters (a natural aphrodisiac), liver, seafood, poultry, nuts & seeds or you can supplement with at least 50-to-100mg of Zinc daily

2. Eat more healthy fats

Research has shown that men who ate diets rich in healthy fats like monounsaturated fats & Omega-3 fats had the highest testosterone levels so…

You can naturally raise your testosterone levels by adding more healthy fats by eating more nuts & seeds, fatty fish like salmon & tuna, avocados, olives, vegetable oils, and natural peanut butter and…

Eating a very low-fat diet can actually lead to lowered testosterone levels because your body needs healthy fats in order to produce testosterone but…

This doesn't mean you need to eat a REAL HIGH fat diet - Just make sure at least 20-to-30% of your total daily calories comes from healthy fats.

3. Lose body fat

The more overweight you are or the higher your body fat percentage is = The higher your estrogen levels will be because body fat contains an enzyme called aromatase that converts your 'manly' testosterone into 'womanly' estrogen making your testosterone levels drop so…

Look at these fat burning workouts to lower body fat, reduce estrogen and increase testosterone and…

Try not to Diet or cut too many calories when trying to lose body fat because you don't want your body going into starvation or survival mode which will cause your body to stop making testosterone so whenever you're trying to lose fat & increase testosterone at the same time…

Make sure you focus on losing 1-to-3 pounds of fat a week mainly thru fat loss workouts and a basic diet plan

4. Get rid of excess estrogen

To get rid of excess estrogen that makes you fatter & weaker so your body can naturally produce more testosterone…

You can eat more RAW cruciferous vegetables like broccoli, cabbage, and cauliflower because cruciferous vegetables contain a chemical called diindolylmethane (or DIM) that helps your body get rid of excess estrogen and… You can supplement with DIM to flush out excess estrogen or eat these other sources of cruciferous vegetables like Brussels sprouts, bok choi, radishes, turnips, collard greens, and kale and…
You can Eat more fiber to naturally cleanse your body and flush out toxins that cause you to have excess estrogen (like the xenoestrogens from #5 below) - Most fruits & vegetables, nuts & beans are all high in fiber and…
You can also supplement with Red grape skin extract (resveratrol) to help your liver remove excess estrogen.

5. Try to avoid Xenoestrogens

Xenoestrogens are man-made estrogens that are found in things like pesticides, artificial growth hormones & steroids, air fresheners and plastic containers and these xenoestrogens will increase your levels of the female hormone estrogen while lowering testosterone so…

Eat more organic fruits & vegetables that are free of pesticides and if you do buy your fruits & vegetables at a regular grocery store… Make sure you wash them to lower your chances of consuming any xenoestrogens and…
Eat more naturally raised meats instead of eating beef, chicken, pork and even milk that was raised using artificial growth hormones and steroids and…
Use glass products to store food & water instead of plastic since plastic products tend to produce xenoestrogens that'll get into your water & food especially when heated and… Even some canned foods contain plastic coatings that contain xenoestrogens and…
Don't use any perfumes, colognes, or air fresheners that have parabens listed as one of the ingredients. Parabens are xenoestrogens.
Please note: It'll be fairly hard for you to 100% completely avoid all xenoestrogens but if you follow the other tips on this page (especially tips #3 & #4) - You'll still be able to naturally increase your testosterone while getting rid of excess estrogen without having to worry so much about trying to avoid xenoestrogens and…

Also note: Since most xenoestrogens accumulate in your body fat - your best defense against xenoestrogens is to lose body fat (look at #3 again)

6. Get at least 6-to-8 hours of Sleep every night

A university of Chicago study showed that men who got little sleep had way lower testosterone levels than men who got 6-to-8 hours of sleep and… According to a University of North Carolina study… Your testosterone levels can drop down by as much as 40 PERCENT when you don't get enough sleep and generally…

Your testosterone levels are 30% higher in the morning than in the evening and this is why you may be more horny in the mornings and as a matter of fact…

A loss of morning erections or loss of sexual desire in the morning could be a sign that your testosterone is declining so you need to get 6-to-8 hours of sleep every night because while you're sleeping…

Your body produces the most testosterone and the better you sleep the more testosterone your body will produce while you sleep so if you're having trouble getting 6-to-8 hours of good quality 'testosterone producing' sleep every night - Look at 33 Secrets to a Good Night's Sleep

7. Stress Less

When you get stressed out - your body releases a "stress" hormone called cortisol that shuts down testosterone production…

Research led by Population Council endocrinologist Matthew Hardy found that stress hormones like cortisol overpower the enzymes responsible for ensuring that cells in the testes produce testosterone
Cortisol also makes you gain belly fat and you already know from #3 above that the fatter you are = you'll have more estrogen and less testosterone so…

You need to stop worrying about the little things, avoid overtraining, control your temper and look at these 100 ways to lower stress and Being more positive can reduce your stress levels and increase Testosterone…

A recent study found that fans of a losing team had 50 percent lower levels of testosterone after their team lost and fans had up to 100% higher levels of testosterone after their team won.
Taking a natural supplement like Ashwagandha can also help reduce cortisol.

8. Take 1000-to-1500mg of Vitamin C per day

Now if you have a hard time avoiding stress - you want to start taking 1000-to-1500mg of Vitamin C per day because…

Vitamin C has been shown to lower cortisol levels allowing your body to make more Testosterone and like Zinc…
Vitamin C reduces the armostase enzyme that converts your Testosterone into Estrogen.

9. Workout like a man

You can force your body to produce a lot of testosterone when you…

Do Compound exercises that train several large muscle groups like Power Cleans, Squats, Bench presses, Deadlifts, Chin-ups, Dips, and Military presses and you can still do isolation exercises like triceps extensions, bicep curls or chest flyes for definition but if trying to boost your Testosterone and build more muscle quickly - stick with compound exercises and…
According to a Swedish study… To get the biggest boost in testosterone when you do your compound exercises… Make sure you use heavy weights that will allow you to only do about 3-to-5 reps per set and you want to do about 5-to-8 sets of each compound exercise you do but…
You also want to limit your workout time on those compound exercises to 1-to-2 hours so just do only 1-to-2 compound exercises followed by a few optional isolation exercises twice a week (Mon. & Thur. for example) and as for burning fat…
Avoid 'sissy cardio' where you walk or run for long periods of time and start doing Manly Cardio workouts like Hill sprints and intervals 3-to-4 times a week and limit your long duration sissy cardio workouts to only 2 times a week and…
Make extra sure that you rest harder than you work out because overtraining leads to more cortisol and lower testosterone (see #7 again) and you may need to get 8+ hours of sleep to allow your body to recuperate and produce more testosterone after you workout like a man (see #6 again) and…


10. Try to get Sexually Stimulated as much as possible

If you're not getting sexual stimulated or sexual aroused very much right now (especially if you're over 40)… You can dramatically boost your testosterone levels by getting sexually stimulated more often so basically…

You need to start doing almost anything you can to get a sexually stimulating 'Viagra free' erection and German scientists even found that simply having an erection causes your levels of circulating testosterone to rise significantly and look at how these other 3 studies prove how much your testosterone can rise after getting sexual stimulated…

In a study done by Ludwig Boltzmann Institute for Urban Ethology in Vienna… 10 men viewed a 15 minute pornographic film and the men's testosterone levels increased 100 percent afterwards.

Another study published by Psychoneuroendocrinology used sexually arousing films on 9 males and testosterone levels increased within 10 minutes of sexually arousal.

In a study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior… Testosterone was measured every 15 min for 3 hours in 8 men before, during, and after the showing of a sexually explicit movie and there was an average increase of 35% in testosterone so…
Not getting sexual stimulated or aroused for long periods of time can actually decrease your testosterone levels so if you find it hard to get sexually stimulated… You can do all the other 12 things on this page to increase your testosterone which will increase your sex drive or libido making you get sexually stimulated much easier and/or…

You can take a supplement like Horny Goat Weed to make you get sexually stimulated more easier to ramp up your testosterone levels.

11. Make sure you're getting enough Vitamin A, B & E

Vitamins A , B & E (along with Vitamin C & zinc) are all essential in the production of testosterone and not getting enough A, B, & E Vitamins will lead to lower testosterone levels but… If you're eating plenty of fruits & veggies, lean meats and nuts then you shouldn't have to worry too much about supplementing with any extra A, B, & E Vitamins.

12. Don't overheat your testicles (your balls)

Your testicles need to be 94-to-96 degrees or about 2 degrees cooler than your body temperature to function at it's best and produce the most testosterone so…

If you're wearing tight underwear, tight pants, take long HOT baths or do anything thing else to overheat your testicles… You may inhibit your testosterone production so it's best to wear looser clothes like boxers to prevent overheating your balls and did you also know that…

Carrying around excess fat also overheats your testicles so look at #3 again for how to burn fat.

13. Don't Drink any Alcohol & Don't eat any Grapefruit

Even if you had only 2 drinks a day… Alcohol makes it hard for your liver to breakdown estrogen making you have more estrogen & less testosterone which will cause you to become more woman-like by making you loose facial & pubic hair, get man boobs and become impotent and…

Alcohol decrease zinc levels in your body (look at #1 again) an just like alcohol - Grapefruits can also make it hard for your liver to breakdown estrogen.

14. Boost Testosterone 40% with D-Aspartate

D-Aspartate is an amino acid that's produced in your pituitary gland and your testicles (or your balls) and it boosts the production of testosterone plus…

D-Aspartate also increases sperm production and the Journal of Reproductive Biology and Endocrinology reported that men taking 3 grams of D-Aspartate every morning increased their testosterone by 40%


http://www.nowloss.com/ways-to-increase-testosterone-levels-naturally-without-using-steroids.htm

There you go ... there was another site that had some other ways, but it mainly focused on workout techniques (in a nutshell, high weights low reps, 3 sets, do exercises that workout multiple muscles ie chest press, chinups / dips - less isolated muscles ie bicep curls)...

The three ones that stood out to me from that list were - don't overheat your balls! Swapping the cK briefs for a pair of boxers makes a huge difference to libido. Sleep matters a lot too. And most of all, getting sexual can mean being sexual. Ie if you're suffering a drought of activity, expect a drought of desire. Same goes for the other way. Tap back into your sexuality (be it with your partner, or even a special moment with yourself) - even if you don't really feel like it - and that fire of desire may very well get blazing again.

All the best.


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This is the most comprehensive list I have ever seen that didn't have dangerous crap on it, for increasing Testosterone naturally. I was at 159 when I was first tested and then put on AndroGel. The gell would not absorb well enough, I was practically bathing in it... so I was recently switched to injections. Now my level is off the charts and I am having very unpleasant side effects, so I am reducing the dosage. Since I only inject once a week, and I'm reducing the dose my only .25 ml per week, I haven't yet reached the ideal dose. After reading you list however, I was thinking that when I do reach a dose that stops the side effects I would have to increase at least once to verify that I was taking the max dose without side effects, but after reading you list I think I will try these things in addition and maybe I can get the dose lower still.

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I also tried this stuff once... fucking wow. Not that I really needed it (wasn't on Sub at the time), but an acquaintance was in the "supplement trade" and gave me a blister pack, and I downed a couple without really thinking about it. That night I get home and before even saying hello I jump my then-girlfriend. She was impressed to say the least.

http://www.totallynatural.com.au/erectomax.html

I don't believe it's available in America, but you could easily order online I suppose.


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Riverdog - my husband has been on androgel for his naturally low testosterone for years. We just recently learned he now has sub-low DHEA levels and it COULD be related to him being on those exogenous hormones for so long. You might want to just ask your doctor how the Androgel will or could affect your DHEA levels. Just my two cents.

Thanks TJ, for adding such great information to the forum. :)

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Thanks Hat for bringing that up about your husband. Is DHEA checked normally through a blood test? I didn't even know what it was until TJ posted that and I Googled it. Like your spouse, I too have been on Androgel for almost two years now and it works fantastic for me. I did try the new Axion and hated it. Too messy and my libido dropped drastically. Now I have to talk to my doctor about that little fact next time they do a blood test.

TJ, thanks for posting all that good information. It is always better to go naturally than chemically. The only thing I will add is that my wife produces too much Estrogen. Her doctor told her to take Milk Thistle as it rids the body of excess Estrogen. And it does work. Twice she has forgotten to buy some and after 3-4 days she was a mess. Got the Milk Thistle and all was back to normal. So yes, I'll stand by that one.

Low testosterone is a natural occurring symptom of getting older. I guess mankind just hasn't lived as long as the last few generations so this is a relatively new treatment. The main reason I take the supplement is that I was told by my physician that low testosterone can lead to bone loss and a few other things I'd like to avoid. Getting my libido back and then some was a pleasant surprise. Being on opiates for 10 years and Suboxone for two, it has done a good amount of damage to my sex drive. Androgel to me is a miracle drug. I have no side effects and it is the easiest to apply. The only side note I would add is that in the first couple of weeks my libido went through the roof. I felt like a teenager again where all you think about is sex. No thanks, been there, done that. Cut my dose to once every other day until my body adjusted.

What I really want to know is, if and when I ever get off the Suboxone, will my T levels go back to a normal range for my age?

Was this "too much information?" With this subject I always feel like putting my 2¢ in.

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It's a serious side-effect and IMO if it's "TMI" to talk about it frankly on here, then where can guys talk about it? We have had partners come in here talking about their husband's issues and them getting cosmetic surgery to try and fix the problem. We should be able to talk about addressing the actual cause as well.

In my experience, and from what I've heard from others, women AND men, is that once they stop taking Suboxone libido returns to normal levels - or the level it should be for their age. There's been little if any evidence pointing to any kind of permanent damage. If anything, pretty much all side-effects people complain about from buprenorphine are reversed once people stop treatment and get a bit of recovery time. I've found my libido would spike when I'd stop Sub even to the point that, if I'd get any sleep in detox, I'd end up experiencing some pleasant dreams. :?

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I was on Androgel for severely low T when I was on Suboxone from 2009 to 2011. I spent the last 7 months off of all drugs, and unfortunately my T level did not return to near the levels I had before Suboxone. My doc told me it might never get back all the way.....I have been working major muscle groups and it does help a lot.

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Bunny - have you had your DHEA levels checked since you were on Androgel? My husband has been on Androgel for several years due to (naturally) low T. Apparently when exogenous hormones are introduced, it can lead to lowering of endogenous hormones, particularly DHEA levels, in the case of T. My husband just recently learned his are sub-normal. They now have him on supplements, but it seems to me that they should have had him on those supplements the whole time he's been on Androgel. Just wondering if the exogenous T affected your DHEA levels the same way.

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