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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:13 pm 
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Ok...so here it goes. I have been on Suboxone for 11 years. Way to long. In High School I had a bunch of Orthopedic Surgeries which required pain meds. I developed chronic pain and was sent to a chronic pain specialist who loaded me (15-17 years old) up with Duragesic patches, Atiq, Vicodin, all at once. The pain was gone..but I was addicted. BAD. (Duh, eh?) Anyways in 2003 after high school graduation at age 17 I started Suboxone therapy. The withdraws I had until the Suboxone took effect were HELL. MAJOR HELL. I never want to feel that way ever again. But I was on major opiates so i "had it comin" I started out at 16mg and spent years at that. I would go down and then up depending on cravings and such.

In 2008 my doctor was unloading some patients so I started seeing another doctor. I was 7 months pregnant (with my second child) and he prescribed me my pills. No issue...my original doctor said I could come back and so I did. Without telling the other doctor. My body was metabolizing the suboxone (it felt like) at a crazy rapid pace due to being pregnant. I decided to keep seeing both doctors. One on insurance. One off the cuff. My dose went from 16mg to 24mg and I felt so much better. No shaking at night or horrible restless legs. All was well. I gave birth and he was %100 ok. Never went to NICU, went home with me, and had no documentable withdrawals. I stayed at my dose and went on to have 2 more boys. All at the same dose and all born with no withdrawls and sent home. Trust me, I was shocked. Everything was fine, I felt. Until I noticed I was becoming addicted to Suboxone. It was becoming expensive and it was a total drag seeing 2 doctors. I HATED IT. But I couldn't stop. I have never relapsed back on to "regular opiates" I graduated my college program with high academic honors. Worked full time. Got the kids to soccer and baseball. Volunteered at a hospital....yadda yadda yadda. In the wide picture Suboxone has really helped me. But I think its run its course. Heres where it gets bad...

Today I went to my "side doctor" who had decided to run a search on all his patients to see if they were going anywhere else. I received the paper today and he told me he wouldnt write another script and to go back to my first doctor. That maybe there was some anxiety issue or whatnot. I felt blessed he didnt call the cops. I drove right down to my main doctor and he now knows. I have an appt tomorrow at 4:30 to figure out what to do. I hate being on Suboxone....but I know the withdrawals from this high of a dose will be HORRIFIC. Honestly, I have such a huge fear, pathological fear of major withdrawal. I called my insurance and they cover rehab at %100. But I have 4 kids, and my husband cant take off work without losing his job. I know my main doctor will help me. Hes a nice guy. He just never forced me to taper...and after 11 years. I grew a new addiction. Is there any good taper plan you guys know of? I dont mind rehab AT ALL. But if theres any way to do it at home without my kids losing their stay at home mom for 30 days, it would be helpful. I know iam going to have painful withdrawls. Anyone know of any drugs that can help that? Or any helpful tips?


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Tapering down from your dose shouldn't be to bad. Its when you get at 2mg and lower that things get tricky. The real question is will you be able to stick to a taper plan without taking more when you feel "off". I tapered easily from 16mgs on down without feeling one bit different. It was when I hit 2 mgs that I got stuck and would take more than I could afford to. I always ran out early and tossed myself into wds every month.

just about 2 months ago, I jumped at 2mgs, sucked up the few weeks of feeling crappy and lethargic and feel fantastic now. Better than I did on subs. You have to want it and be totally committed to doing it to be successful at getting off subs. If you feel totally ready and 100% sure, talk to your dr about a slow taper plan. Tapering down to tiny amounts is definately the way to go.


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I was on it for 8 years at 24-32 mg.. getting off is hard and it took longer than I would have liked but it can be done!


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Hi MW, sounds like you've done amazingly well on Subs, but sounds like you've gotten a clear signal from somewhere that it's time to get off the drug. Is this something you've ever thought about doing?

Try not to panic, it just makes things worse, and sounds like things might go ok with your main doctor. I found it pretty easy tapering quickly at higher dose levels. As Trainer mentions, it's only under 2 mg/day that things got tricky, so you need to plan out your end game.

FWIW I found the taper and jump manageable, and I've had no regrets about getting off Subs.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:18 pm 
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you will w/d not matter where you do it, it comes with opiate related drugs, its not like coming off a straight opiate though, its longer, but not as bad. Tapering as many have said is the preferred by many "method", but others just stop. Someone im sure will post you the cutting guide for your strips to taper if not youtube it. you can get away with 25% drops without much issue until about 4mgs. then 10% is safe. take your time if you can give yourself 14-21days to stabilize at any given dose. when do you dose? times/# of strips ect. 24 sounds like 3X8 a day, but everyone is different, that will give folks here the best way to give advice if you so choose.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:45 pm 
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I really understand your feeling and fears of not being able to get a full dose of meds and fears of w/d. I have been on sub for over 8 years and last year decided it was time to move down in dose and eventually get off completely. Like others said I would talk to your doc and do some searches for people who have successfully tapered off. I was on 32 mg.at the beginning and later dropped to 24 and didnt even notice do to having way more onboard than I needed. They used to give these larger doses but seems many docs like to max patients at 16 mg.
From 24 I did like 4 mg drops every couple months. I got stuck at the 4mg. dose for 3 months and recently have maintained a 3 mg. dose for past several weeks. I never had any w/d and dropped at my own pace. It was ALL mental for me. I Thought I would feel bad but actually feel better on lower doses. I know it is supposed to get more difficult once I get to 2mg. But plan to do like 0.5 mg reductions from where I'm at now at 3mg. It took about a year to go from 16 to 4mg no prob. and to 3mg. pretty easy. Again I think it was mental for me. I hope to jump by end of year.

Be patient, cause even though its been 11 years on sub you have achieved alot. It also starts feeling good when u start working toward your goal. Don't be too hard on yourself if you have some stuck points on your way. You will get there just keep working at it. If you make mistakes, try to do it as planned next time. Good luck! S


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