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Im sick of hearing about people who use suboxone just to reduce or get rid of withdrawl symptoms and have no plan on cleaning there act up. They use it when they have no money or run out of there stash and dont want to suffer with the withdrawls but then just keep on using when they have means to get more drugs. It pisses me off and I wish they would quit asking me for my suboxone. I think if your gonna play with fire you should have to deal with getting burned. Quit abusing this drug that has worked well for so many.


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joemoe14 - Hey there. I hear your anger over this and giving someone Suboxone is not only enabling them but it's diversion of the medication. I know you never stated you were giving away your Suboxone so I just want to throw that out there.

Many of us have been in the position where an addict fearing withdrawal will ask us for a few pills of Suboxone, I sure have. I refuse to give my medication away to anyone as I don't want to enable them to continue to use. Not only that I refuse to hang around or socialize with anyone using drugs - this is how I relapsed on my drug of choice last time. (Before Suboxone). So, I agree with you they should feel the pain of using, as the pain MAY help someone want to get clean.

Using and then turning to Suboxone sounds like a dangerous game to me. I have actually thought to myself if I ever tried using again and then flipping back and forth to Suboxone I would never get clean again.

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Im sick of hearing about people who use suboxone just to reduce or get rid of withdrawl symptoms and have no plan on cleaning there act up. They use it when they have no money or run out of there stash and dont want to suffer with the withdrawls but then just keep on using when they have means to get more drugs.


I have to confess that I got on Suboxone because I couldn't keep up with my using anymore. Of course, part of me wanted to be clean. Another part of me wanted to want to get clean. Even now, I fight the thought of trying to use again. It's not what I want to do. It's what my brain thinks about doing. I try to change the way that my mind thinks. I remind myself of how horrible it gets. I try hard to forget how using made me feel in the beginning. But, my mind doesn't want to let go.

Joe, I'm so glad that you have found the ability to be 100% on board with your recovery. I can't seem to get my head to do that. So, I guess that's why I empathize with those who turn to Sub more out of convenience than from any desire to get clean. If I were to have things my way, I would have a Suboxone clinic open 24/7 for any opiate-dependent person to have Sub whenever the need arose. I would hope that addicts came back day after day and, eventually, some would find a desire to take Sub to get clean and not just to stop the hurting.

This is a cruel disease that turns us into our own worst enemy. I can't be angry with any addict for abusing any drug at any time. I've been doing pretty well lately. Last night, however, I had a night from hell... as I've too often endured. I honestly don't know how I made it through the night without relieving the obsession and finally using. It's nothing less than insanity.

In the past, I've read posts on medical forums by pain patients who were angry at addicts because we abuse what they need to get through a day and, therefore, made access harder for them. I don't know about you, but my using had nothing to do with a pain patient's access to treatment. It was only about me taking care of what I so desperately needed at the time.


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I hear you man, I really do. I cannot understate my gratitude for the existence of suboxone. For the first time since I was about 17 years old, I am no longer using drugs or obsessing about using drugs. It's as if I was sitting in a room with a TV station set to static, with the volume BLASTING all of my life and the moment I took my first dose of suboxone was like someone finally turned the TV off.

I think it helps to remember the fact that people who are abusing suboxone are just at a different point in their journey. For me, the anger I feel towards them is really more a internalization of anger towards myself for doing similar stupid stuff, you know?

Addiction is a disease that kills a lot of people. This drug is saving lives, but like all drugs, and particularly opioid drugs, there are costs. It is what it is.


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By the way, christin, a question for you: Did you used to or do you now post on the Drugs.com forum? Your screen name looks familiar to me and I seem to remember it from over there. Could be a different person, but I'm just curious?


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junkie781 wrote:
By the way, christin, a question for you: Did you used to or do you now post on the Drugs.com forum? Your screen name looks familiar to me and I seem to remember it from over there. Could be a different person, but I'm just curious?


That particular forum doesn't ring a bell, at least not right off. But, I have used the same screen name pretty much anywhere that I've identified myself as an addict. Perhaps, you recognize the name from another forum? (I just tried to log onto drugs.com with both of the passwords that I typically use and I wasn't able to log on). Of course, it's still possible. If you're still curious, PM me and we'll see if we've frequented any common forums.

Oh... and I like what you've posted here. I also find that I'm least tolerant about things that I've been guilty of in the past (and sometimes STILL am guilty of doing). I see my flaws best, not in a mirror, but in the actions of others.


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Eh, no big deal, I don't really visit any other forums where I've been talking about addiction, I just thought I recognized the screen name, who knows, it could be from here only.


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I use it in exactly the way you disagree with

its an issue of harm reduction, for me, i believe
and an issue of moral conditioning, for you, i think

if heroin had ABSOLUTELY no withdrawal symptoms and cost, say a nickel a bag, it would be quite the perfect little drug. I love suboxone because it makes using a CHOICE for me, at any time, when im laying there sick, kicking, whatever- i know I can end it, if I just LET GO of that image of the feeling of the rush of heroin. So if I want to keep laying there sick, its my OWN DAMN FAULT, because I want to wait it out and hope I can score. Out here on the streets, its completely changed the entire game, just few addicts want to admit it yet, but things are changing, and I think if it saves on single dopehead from dying on any given day, its better than nothing. When im ready to use it, REALLY use it and fix my sh!t - its there, but why should I have to 'hit rock bottom' if I dont have to? Functioning Junkies?

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celestial - So if I understand correctly, you're using suboxone in between binges of getting high? If so, yes, that's exactly what we disagree with and what angers us. See, there's already a stigma attached to people on suboxone who are using it the way it's meant to be used - as a recovery/remission tool. People who use it in the way you use it only perpetuates the notion that sub users still just want to get high. The way you are using it places legitimate users at risk of losing their treatment. And please just keep in mind that this is a recovery forum. It's not for learning new ways to get high while still taking suboxone. (I say this because I saw one of your other posts about suboxone and LSD.) I'm not trying to offend you or tell you you're not welcome here. I just want to be honest with you. I hear what you're saying about harm reduction, but have you considered that the fact that you're using suboxone actually raises your tolerance and to get past it when you use you have to use even more - this is what places you at a higher risk of death from overdose. Please be careful and keep that in mind.

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i am new here on this forum but i have been around planet earth for more than 50 years. bupenorphine is a miracle and a godsend. and those like celestial , in their self seeking ways WILL ruin it for the rest of us who choose to use our medication as prescribed. i have seen this over and over. the perfect example is ryan haight. some people just want to use their meds as prescribed, and when those who don't like to follow instuctions don't , well then that means the gov must step in and monitor the situation. i predict that because of attitudes like celestials one DAY sooner than we like or need our miracle godsend will be taken from us. first they will make it schedule 2, then it will be like methadone, we will have to get up every day at 4 am to get to the clinic because they are only open till noon. we will be treated like children or felons etc. etc. etc. . so thank you celestial for blabing all over the web what a self-absorbed selfish child you are and working to destroy everything we have worked to attain. you should have been there in the 80's or 90's when it was methadone clinics or the street. YOU HAVE NO CLUE. at least you could keep it to yourself and NOT blab to the whole world YOU are misusing our precious MEDICATION to get high or whatever.


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God I hope the Government doesn't F@CK Suboxone distribution. It has literally saved my life
and kept me sober for the last two years :lol: People are always going to take advantage :twisted:
of something like suboxone especially addicts. Let's hope more success stories 8) are posted here
rather that those who have no intention of changing their lives :roll:


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I'm about to begin my third month on Suboxone. I'm a little confused as to how anyone can abuse this drug? I mean, are you guys saying that people who use opiates in general, like oxy's or heroin, are asking for a Suboxone pill or two to avoid withdrawels?

OR are you talking about people who don't use opiates that much and take a Sub here and there to get a buzz? Is that possible? Can you GET a buzz from taking a Sub now and then? I don't see how it is possible, since it is such a complicated medication.

OR are you guys referring, perhaps, to someone who shoots up Suboxone? I would NEVER shoot up drugs, and I've been watching a lot of videos on YouTube about Suboxone and Buprenorphine and Subutex. I was SHOCKED that youtube had allowed (but with a warning about age consent) videos on HOW to shoot up! There were these 2 guys, showing how to crush the pills, put it in water, use a cig filter to draw it up into the syringe, how to tie off, and then they showed HOW to put it into the vein and they shot up some pink pill right there for the world to see! I could NOT believe my eyes! It was more offensive to me than watching porno.


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I'm about to begin my third month on Suboxone. I'm a little confused as to how anyone can abuse this drug? I mean, are you guys saying that people who use opiates in general, like oxy's or heroin, are asking for a Suboxone pill or two to avoid withdrawels?

OR are you talking about people who don't use opiates that much and take a Sub here and there to get a buzz? Is that possible? Can you GET a buzz from taking a Sub now and then? I don't see how it is possible, since it is such a complicated medication.

OR are you guys referring, perhaps, to someone who shoots up Suboxone? I would NEVER shoot up drugs, and I've been watching a lot of videos on YouTube about Suboxone and Buprenorphine and Subutex. I was SHOCKED that youtube had allowed (but with a warning about age consent) videos on HOW to shoot up! There were these 2 guys, showing how to crush the pills, put it in water, use a cig filter to draw it up into the syringe, how to tie off, and then they showed HOW to put it into the vein and they shot up some pink pill right there for the world to see! I could NOT believe my eyes! It was more offensive to me than watching porno.


Freedom of speech can be scary. We are inclined to say "This is dangerous and bad. Let's sensor it." Unfortunately, everyone has a different idea of what is dangerous and bad. The way I see it, somebody watching that video is somebody who used a search engine (whether Google, or Bing, or YouTube's own search function) and looked up how to properly IV buprenorphine. I don't think somebody who wasn't already considering it would take it seriously, or even watch more than a few seconds of it. Recognizing that, it may be a good thing they found that video. Maybe they were going to do something more stupid than shooting up itself; maybe they were going to shoot up BADLY and hurt themselves, and the video showed them the "proper" way (as in best. Shooting up Suboxone, unless it is Buprenex, is probably dangerous no matter what measures you take. THIS IS SOMETHING I DO NOT SUPPORT AND WOULD NEVER ATTEMPT AS IT IS AN ABSCESS WAITING TO HAPPEN).

In regards to the topic, I agree with the sentiment..but it is important to remember that the body does not recognize a prescription or legal medication as different than a non-prescribed medication. Taking Suboxone while not prescribed it is not inherently more or less dangerous to your body. It can, however, be dangerous to take anything without a doctor's guidance. Also, plenty of people with scripts abuse their pills.


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About YouTube: Over the weekend, I spent a great deal of my weekend searching for any youtube video that had any information in it about Suboxone, Subutex, or Buprenorphine. There were a lot more videos on Suboxone than there were for Subutex and Buprenorphine.

I THINK it was when I was searching for Buprenorphine that I came across those 2 guys showing how to shoot up in their 2 videos. They were NOT shooting Suboxone or Sub or Bupe, but something bright pink. They actually said the name of the drug, but I forgot what it was. Anyhow, I wasn't actively seeking info on HOW to shoot drugs, it was just there! AND I came across another video while searching for Buprenorphine that had absolutely NOTHING to do with it, but was labled Bupe (I think) and it was this woman writhing and touching herself, although she was clothed, it was an ad to visit some skanky website. I immediately flagged that video. The one with the guys shooting up was already labeled with an age consent warning. I watched both of them, because I could not believe what I was seeing, wondering, "Are they REALLY going to show this?!!" I couldn't tear my eyes away.

Which makes me think of the movie called "Requiem for a Dream." Has anyone seen it? About the heroin? The poor kid shot up in his arm, got an abcess, and in the end had to have his arm cut off. It was awful.

I would NEVER use my Suboxone in any way other than the way you are supposed to use it. It has literally saved my life! I am not using any opiates anymore, and the best part is that I am not obsessing about them either, or about being high. Oh, well, the best part, really, is that it has taken all of my mind-curdling spinal pain away!!! I truly consider it MY miracle drug. :)


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About YouTube: Over the weekend, I spent a great deal of my weekend searching for any youtube video that had any information in it about Suboxone, Subutex, or Buprenorphine. There were a lot more videos on Suboxone than there were for Subutex and Buprenorphine.

I THINK it was when I was searching for Buprenorphine that I came across those 2 guys showing how to shoot up in their 2 videos. They were NOT shooting Suboxone or Sub or Bupe, but something bright pink. They actually said the name of the drug, but I forgot what it was. Anyhow, I wasn't actively seeking info on HOW to shoot drugs, it was just there! AND I came across another video while searching for Buprenorphine that had absolutely NOTHING to do with it, but was labled Bupe (I think) and it was this woman writhing and touching herself, although she was clothed, it was an ad to visit some skanky website. I immediately flagged that video. The one with the guys shooting up was already labeled with an age consent warning. I watched both of them, because I could not believe what I was seeing, wondering, "Are they REALLY going to show this?!!" I couldn't tear my eyes away.

Which makes me think of the movie called "Requiem for a Dream." Has anyone seen it? About the heroin? The poor kid shot up in his arm, got an abcess, and in the end had to have his arm cut off. It was awful.

I would NEVER use my Suboxone in any way other than the way you are supposed to use it. It has literally saved my life! I am not using any opiates anymore, and the best part is that I am not obsessing about them either, or about being high. Oh, well, the best part, really, is that it has taken all of my mind-curdling spinal pain away!!! I truly consider it MY miracle drug. :)


I used to always try to watch Requiem while I was high. I would always fall asleep at the part where the mother eats all those diet pills and the fridge starts shaking. I did finally manage to see the end, and it is very haunting.

I am so sorry you are in pain. I have a few things wrong with me so I can relate to a point, but bone pain is just the worst. I honestly don't know what I would do if I was one of those people with a bad injury and got addicted to my pain pills. I am very happy to hear that Suboxone has improved your quality of life. It is very encouraging to read that even though you are in pain, you are happy with your choice. It helps me be grateful that although I have an addiction, and my pain will get worse, I am happy now..and when it does get worse (like yours) I can still be happy and free of full-agonists if I want to be.

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My apologies if I'm beating a dead horse and addressing an outdated topic.

I have a tad more sympathy when an actual street addict uses bupe to stave off withdrawal, even a temporary bridge when a drug of choice is unavailable. A.) Giving up an addictive substance, particularly after years of dependance, is no easy feat - particularly when near-instant withdrawal makes major life decisions secondary to getting out of bed - and knowing there's an alternative to cold kicking may give future hope B.) Entering full-on Suboxone treatment is often too expensive without significant financial planning C.) In a politically-charged arena, I think the idea of street addicts avoiding painful sickness is a little more "appealing" than high school sophomores popping pills at keg parties and ending in emergency rooms.

What is obnoxious...

It's slightly comforting to know I'm not the only person who's dealt with attempts to buy me out. The majority of people have just been curious. Then this weasel kid shows up (again) and gives me a sob story about being on dope and needing to get clean - of course, this rips at my heart strings and I'm halfway to walking him to the clinic, until I figure out he's buying Subs in the suburbs from some other weasel kid and is high off his gourd. This is no down-and-out heroin addict trying to pull themselves from depravity but some party kid using a powerfully-stigmatized condition as guise to get wasted.

I hate this weasel kid. But, even more, I hate the rich or insured kid out in Naperville who sells his potent prescription with zero conscience to how this affects those genuinely desperate.


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Cmon, seriously? Most of the people here, pointing the finger at people who abuse Suboxone, once abused opioids themselves. Some people "doctor shopped", scamming extra painkillers and tarring all those who took their medications responsibly, as prescribed.

Every time someone here took Oxy/Vicodin/Opana/whatever ... they contributed to the perception that these medications are drugs of abuse, and all the newspaper articles and all the controversy ... making life difficult for those that used them responsibly.

But the moment someone abuses Suboxone, Oh No! We can't have that. It gives us a bad name! It makes it harder for our treatment!

Are you forgetting all those years we made it harder for other people's treatments? All those years we had the finger pointed at us ... now we have a chance to point our finger at someone else!

It feels good, hey.


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Cmon, seriously? Most of the people here, pointing the finger at people who abuse Suboxone, once abused opioids themselves. Some people "doctor shopped", scamming extra painkillers and tarring all those who took their medications responsibly, as prescribed.

Every time someone here took Oxy/Vicodin/Opana/whatever ... they contributed to the perception that these medications are drugs of abuse, and all the newspaper articles and all the controversy ... making life difficult for those that used them responsibly.

But the moment someone abuses Suboxone, Oh No! We can't have that. It gives us a bad name! It makes it harder for our treatment!

Are you forgetting all those years we made it harder for other people's treatments? All those years we had the finger pointed at us ... now we have a chance to point our finger at someone else!

It feels good, hey.


Yep, addict behavior.

And you know what THEY say about addict behavior. Are you experiencing a weird sensation of needing a new key chain lololol


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Cmon, seriously? Most of the people here, pointing the finger at people who abuse Suboxone, once abused opioids themselves. Some people "doctor shopped", scamming extra painkillers and tarring all those who took their medications responsibly, as prescribed.

Every time someone here took Oxy/Vicodin/Opana/whatever ... they contributed to the perception that these medications are drugs of abuse, and all the newspaper articles and all the controversy ... making life difficult for those that used them responsibly.

But the moment someone abuses Suboxone, Oh No! We can't have that. It gives us a bad name! It makes it harder for our treatment!

Are you forgetting all those years we made it harder for other people's treatments? All those years we had the finger pointed at us ... now we have a chance to point our finger at someone else!

It feels good, hey.


I completely agree!


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Yeah...you guys are probably right - and it is sort of fun to be in the position of saying, "no, thistime, I'm taking a drug responsibly," particularly after years of imaginary backaches and "my old bum leg acting up again."

While I'm not going to justify whining for the sake of whining, many of us still found ourselves in this position not only because we asked, but because someone offered to sell. I'm all for holding one's self accountable and believe most efforts to curb addiction at point of sale rather than address larger social issues are both ineffective and damaging to those in genuine need. But our past behavior shouldn't condone unethical behavior in others. In a different example, the statement "murder is wrong" stands on it's own, even if it comes from the mouth of a murderer.


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