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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:27 am 
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Ok this is not about me but I have seen this on three different occasions at Pharmer dot org with folks trying to treat their opiate dependence. Primarily what I want is a show of hands of how many people here have Kaiser Insurance, sought Suboxone treatment from a Kaiser doctor who is suboxone certified, and instead were sent home with a bunch of pills besides Suboxone.

In the past several days it came to my knowledge that if you seek Suboxone from a Kaiser doctor that you more than likely will not receive it when you ask for it. There is one person with his girlfriend who went to their Kaiser doctor to get Suboxone, because they advertised it though Kaiser, and instead were sent home with a myriad of prescriptions including a Benzo, which someone with an abuse problem should not be sent home with, and were told to "smile and bare it" and to "just ride it out"! Then there are two other people with Kaiser again who were sent home with a bunch of cheap medicine but this time with Tramadol, which is also abusable.

Every single time the Kaiser patient was trying to get Suboxone through an addiction specialist doctor who has the license to prescribe it to people who are dependent on opiates! Each time they were turned away saying they didn't need it. Each time each individual has a retavely large monkey of an addiction on their back and Kaiser thinks they can just "ride it out"? Like it is that easy to do when you are raising children, going to school and work? Even if they do manage to ride it out they will more than likely have craving issues they will need to sort out; these will Not be taken care of and the patient will be at greater risk of relapse.

I have come to the conclusion that Kaiser is doing this for one reason and one reason only; the cost of Suboxone. Kaiser would rather send their addicted patients home with a handfull of cheap medicine than to treat the disease correctly with an expensive medication that is designed to treat this problem. How socially responsible is that? Not to mention that Kaiser, the insurance company, is telling the doctors how to treat the folks that are sick!

So again how many people have had this same issue with Kaiser?

Also there is some good news, two of the three people I know of are now getting Suboxone, because they are paying for it out of pocket!!!


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Hi Tacet! I believe it was me and my girlfriend who posted about our situation at Kaiser. With your advice I did end up coming here and have gotten lots of valuable advice.

You are very right, Kaiser does not seem to want to give out Suboxone for addiction therapy, they just claim over and over people use it as a crutch and replace their drug of choice with it. But as I have been researching lately, Suboxone is not at all a crutch, and with long term treatment or whatever need be specific to the patient it can be a extremely successful tool for someone which has burnt out every other resource, to which we explained we have. We've tried it all, cold turkey, the detox meds they gave us.. But obviously if one has such a strong addiction to extremely heavy amounts it isn't going to be that easy. Something that I don't think they understand, only an addict can.

One thing that makes me EXTREMELY angry with Kaiser, is that half of the time we go in, we see NO doctor. NONE. Just a triage nurse, they assess you, ask you vague questions and when you have any sort of question they just say, "ya, ya" "blah, blah, blah" they don't know what their doing, and their dealing with patients that may DIE from this disease in the future, I know that's where we were heading. We were at such high amounts of opiates we were falling asleep in random places around the house, with food in our mouths, etc, some dangerous stuff. Which we told them.. They responded by demanding we stay there and when explaining why we cannot they want to give us Valiums and Clonidine? I can't understand that.

After a couple of visits they gave us Suboxone, 3, 2mg pills which helped enormously. This was the first time we had tried this drug and it had cut any sort of impulsive craving that I cannot control when withdrawaling. I used to find any way possible to get that next OxyContin, sell things, ask to pay people back, stuff that a Valium and Clonidine isn't going to help, lets be honest. Yesterday we went for another visit and said we have some very important issues to ask the doctor and they said well the doctor isn't here they all leave at 5 pm. So we rescheduled for today at 4 pm, which we will demand to speak with someone qualified to give out advice. We said the Subs aren't quite strong enough as we were used to around 300 mg of OC and more at times, so they gave us 4, 2mg pills. They said if we want to continue on this form of treatment we must speak with the doctor, which is something we've been trying to do since the FIRST day we went. It's funny that the same "certified" doctors that may be your only hope are so brief and eager to get that next patient in. It MUST be something to do with Kaiser, I'm getting so fed up with them.. They don't care about patients, they care about the numbers and it is proven by witnessing how many people actually come in and out of there. Yes, I am happy for any person who receives care that works for them there but what about the cases that don't work out. They could care less, they simply want you in, and out. Their so busy all day they can barely speak to you about something so important it can take your life or save your life. Seems childish to me. I just wish I had the cash right now to pay for cash only care, because I've already spoken with many other doctors that seemed way more concerned than our own doctor. Kaiser is a joke.


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Holy double posting batman.

It's a bummer but I think you will have to bite the bullet and seek treatment elsewhere. And that means paying out of pocket. If you think about it you spent how much money on OC in the past? You could manage to see a a suboxone doctor with that same amount of money. Really sorry Kaiser don't care about you or others with addiction.0


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That's just the thing, It is all about money. The mental health and substance abuse systems are broken. I take 8mg of Suboxone a day. When I go to my doctor he gives me 30 for the month. Last month he prescribed me 30 of the 2mgs instead of the 8's. I did not look at the script, and did not find out until I got home with the pills. So I called and got no help from his rude staff, so I decided to go up to the office. After waiting and getting dicked around for 3 hours I was told the doctor needed to see me first. This meant I would have to cough up another 160 dollars just to get the rest of my prescription. I went crazy told everybody to go f@#k themselves. Finally I realized that the only way I was getting my meds was to pay for it. Needless to say I have never been back to this doctor and just in case you are in the Dallas-Plano area, his name is Dr. Arnold Mech. You can check him out on the Texas Medical Board of Examiners website as well. He is quite popular there.


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Ok wait, you had to pay for another doctors visit because the doctor made an error writing the script for you? That is absolutely obsurd! Do you know if there is an office manager there that you can talk to? That's like going to mcdonalds, ordering food, taking the food home and realizing they fouled it up; you take the food back and they tell you that you have to pay for another order because they a screwed up! That is exactly what that amounts to.

You must try to get a hold of a manager of some sort because you must be compensated for forking over the money to pay for another visit. Also you must go to the better business bureau and what ever state board that is in charge of doctors. Money greedy bastards.


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I have written a letter to the board of medical examiners. It was a horrible experience. I was being extorted. I have read about this doctor online, and he has made judgement errors with medication so bad people had to be hospitalized and almost died. This is the only psychologist I have ever dealt with and I am hoping he is the exception. He would not admit to the error in writing the prescription either. He said that I asked him to lower my dosage, which was certainly not true.


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Wow that's hella messed up, one time previously this year my doctor accidentally gave me a script with an extra blank "controlled substance" script attached to it suppose I should have charged him for a visit if he wanted it back :) I'd certainly find another doctor as I know my current one would never screw me over like that I hope you can find some resolvement best idea I think would be to write that letter to the medical board.

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Just remember to not let one bad apple determine how you view the rest there are plenty of really great doctors out there! Just have to keep trying until you find one if we had more control over what doctors our insurance would allow us to see I suppose that would make things alot easier but alas....

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I found out there were no sub docs in my area and I honestly think that there is no suboxone doctors associated with kaiser. But if you can find a cheap doctors visits you can get by with spending less than $200 a month for everything. Many sub docs cost 1000 to start and 300 every month. However, there is a way to get a better deal.. Google search for sub docs and talk them into seeing you as their patient once a month because many want to see you twice a month to get that extra payment. I found one in Gaithersburg for $145 and also acted as my couseling sessions even though many docs do not require these sessions. If you have Kaiser you can take any prescription to them to be filled for the $20 co-pay. They told me yes they will accept this type of docstors prescriptions one time but I just kept coming back and did that for over a year. Kaiser does not have sub docs but do have the medicine in their pharmacy.


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These posts are shocking to me.. My cousin has Kaiser and he has been in a suboxone maintenance program for almost 4 years now and has never had a problem.. They cover his doctor and his meds w/ no issues.. I cant imagine it just depending on where you live, I dont know why so many people have different experiences w/ the same insurance.


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