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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:44 am 
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I have heard that subs also help with mood and right before i got on subs my boyfriends passed away and i was very depressed. Then i got on subs and i felt fine almost like i did a total turn around, i felt happy all the time or at least normal.
I would love to know because it kind of made me feel heartless when this happened, i thought that there was something wrong with me because i was not sad anymore.
So does suboxone help with mood/depression?


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First of all I want to offer you my condolences on your loss. You have my sympathies. More than a few people have said that sub has helped their depression. For me, however, I've struggled with major depression my whole life and after going on suboxone, I still needed my antidepressant and a dose increase when I had another down turn. So it had no effect on my mood, but it does seem to help others. I remember there was one member here a while back whose depression was so bad that his doctor was considering trying suboxone and he wasn't an opiate addict. So it does seem to possibly have that component to it, although I don't believe it's been studied.

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Hi CanadianGirl,

It's good to hear from you again!!

Yes, many sub patients report that their depression is lifted while on Suboxone, so don't feel like you're heartless, OK?

What dose of sub have you stabilized on? Everything else going good for ya?


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I have been seeing this addiction specialist in my state. He says that sub is a great mood lifter. I am sure you all have heard of him. He has a blog and a few pod cast avail.

He says that sub will cover up 80% of feelings or something close to that. I also lost my partner of 14 yrs. I was using dope at the time... the death is what led me to get some help for my addiction. I chose sub. I was misinformed by my sub doctor though for sure. I hear this happens a lot. I do wish the doctor was up front with me but maybe its because he did know himself. He swears to this day that we can jump off at 2mg and not feel anyting more the a few days of flue like sysmptoms. I have tried his method of weaning and maybe its just my body but it totally untrue for me. Of course my sub doctor says I should remain on sub for life. When I complain about how I feel on it he says it all in my head. Piss me off. How can it all be in my head. Since then I have read way too many others that say the same thing.

I have read at a different forums (got banned though for outing the hidden fourm and repeating they give up folks ip address in the open, I just repeated what a long time member said) that many suffer for years with wd/paws no matter how slow you wean off. At another forum (nabbit)they have loads of folk that say if you wean slow and correctly no wd at all. Who knows really but I do know with my body I couldnt suffer the way I was after my slow wean and jump.. I tried it for 5 mo and went right back on sub. I have to work to pay the bills.

I play with stocks and own a stock ttnp that will put sub in a rod for 6mo.. I am sure you all know about this? It will make it easier for sure. you wont have to dissolve a pill daily. If my body could handle the sub like some can I would go this route. We are all different for sure... what works for one wont work for another. Sub is not working for me.. it makes my daily life pretty miserable. Ttnp is also doing some research after they finish the 2nd phase 111 testing using sub for depression. I know it worked for my depression the first 6-9mo but then it stopped working. Depression is like that... there are many pill out there for depresssion and I guess this is why. They only work for some, some of the time, work for other none of the time and some need more then one class.
Some will have to change up for the same affect. I am just tired of having to depend on anything. I am tired of waking up daily in wd and reaching for my sub to combat the wd and then only to feel like crap the rest of the day. I guess like the big book say... I want what they have. I want to wake up every day and not in wd, not dependent on anything. I do wish the sub continued to work for me... it just dosnt. I am sorta envious of you'll that it does work for.

I am sorta scared of the day I take my last opiate. I hope that the last few yrs were not all in vein. I hope I wont have to work on my grief issue all over again. I do have a lot of support so I do have that in my corner. I use AA/NA and also cbt. I have changed my life around for sure. I am no longer that junkie that couldnt be trusted. My family allows me in thier life again and even allows me to baby sit. I am now taking care of my ailiing moms money and 5 yrs ago they wouldnt let me use thier bathroom without supervision. Getting Clean and sober is a process. My process has to come to and end and I think I am ready. Again that dosnt mean I am ready to go thru wd or paws for the next 2yrs. I am sure I wll have to deal with some paws...the method of detox says I will. It will just be shorter time. I have been told that anyone who chose sub/meth will have to face paws. The ideal for us is to have a second tx after a time. That set time is different for everyone I am told.

ANyways..... not sure why I went off on this tandrum.. I just felt like I could relate to this thread original poster Candiangirl. I hope your depression is lifted. I hope your able to work thru your lost. ITs very hard and my prayers are with you.


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First I want to say I'm sorry suboxone isn't working for you. What dose are you on? It's odd that you would wake up in withdrawals every morning, what with the mean half-life of 37 hours. The only time that doesn't hold true is when a person is on an extremely low dose - as in way below the ceiling.

Some people on this forum actually have done a slow and low taper and had very little to no discomfort in the way of withdrawal or PAWS. Look under the "Liquid Taper" thread. PAWS, by the way, isn't unique to suboxone, it happens with any opiate. Anyway, other have have jumped from a higher dose and have talked about completely tolerable discomfort - nothing like what they expected or like the horror stories they've read about online. Of course everyone is different and I do recognize that.

You said an addiction specialist claims suboxone "covers" 80% of feelings. I would very much like to see studies that back that up. We've touched on that subject before here and Dr. Junig has weighed on this as well. Feelings/emotions are so very complex that they can't really be boiled down to a pill covering them up - if that's what you mean. There are neurotransmitters, hormones, childhood modeling, traumas, the fact that we numbed our emotions with drugs for so long, the fact that when we come off any opiate our moods may go crazy...etc etc. There are simply too many components to emotions to even mention. There are even too many to study properly.

Anyway, sorry if I sound antagonistic, I don't mean to be.

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Several people have told me "good luck" when I told them I was just coming off opiates. One women said it took her a year to feel somewhat normal after coming off a Vicodin habit.

So it's not just Sub, it's opiates in general. Considering that all we post here is about Sub, not hydrocodone,etc., we have no other reference to go by and so it appears Sub to be the enemy. I didn't know much about it when I first got on it, but I wouldn't have done any other way. My success at tapering and jumping remains to be seen.

I do hope that one day you will be able to be free of any drug you don't want. Same for me.


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