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 Post subject: jumping from16 mg ct
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:44 pm 
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Not all of us have the luxury of a slow taper. What then?


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 Post subject: Re: jumping from16 mg ct
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Qom,

Sorry your question went unanswered but you have other posts related to your jump.

I am so sorry you had to stop at such a high dose. There have been a few members who've done it like you but it would take some digging to find their threads. You already know what it's like 'cause you're living it. And considering I've never been in your position it's impossible to give any input. All I can say is hang in there, it will get better. Unfortunately, buprenorphine may have less sever symptoms than full on agonists, but the length of w/d is a lot longer. That is why there is such a high failure rate from those attempting to stop. It's been done, and been done by many, so stick with it and only focus on the goal. Once it's behind you please stay here to help others like yourself.

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Sorry you have to jump at such a high dose. I had to do it once before and while it's difficult, it's do able. The most important thing you have to do is stay busy and keep your mind off of it. Don't dwell on it and be constantly thinking about it. If all you do is sit around and think about it then it will be a much harder experience. The side effects I remember having were a runny nose, sweating more, and having a difficulty falling asleep. Good luck with it.


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Yeah fireman I know, been living through it for the past 31 days. Hell on earth. But I do keep busy, I took only the first week off work. Also, I'm a single mom to two girls, 10 and 13. My 13 yo has been keeping me very busy unfortunately catching criminal charges and with bail review and court dates etc. I was just wondering really when will I be able to finally relax wo feeling so restless and able to get some good quality sleep. That's what I miss the most.


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Those seem to be the last couple of things that come back to normal and, unfortunately, there's no way to tell how long it will take for you. Every day you are closer to that time, but no one here can gave you a sure estimate about when your brain will be fully back in homeostasis. Plus you do have to deal with addiction the rest of your life. The reward/pleasure pathways in your brain is forever altered. So it's not only necessary to go through the process of getting back to "normal", but you will have to guard against addiction for the rest of your life as well. Stay strong!

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You know I read all these posts about tapering down, and some about staying on subs for maintenance treatment, and I have to ask myself 'are you a !#$&ing idiot?' I have to remind myself I am stronger than I know, this is hard as hell but I can do it. Knowing I've done it so far gives me the strength to keep on keeping on.


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Exactly!! You have made it this far, you can definitely reach the point of having fewer leftover effects!

One thing I haven't seen addressed is whether or not you have a plan to keep from relapsing back into active addiction. It's important to have a plan. Even if you are so absolutely sure you will never ever feel another craving again, even if the thought of opiates makes you sick right now. Our own Dr. Junig had 7 years off opiates before relapsing back on them. No one is immune because addiction changes our brains. Addiction creates reward/pleasure pathways that our brains never forget.

So, will you be going to any kind of support group at home or sticking with one online? Do you plan to see an addiction therapist? Up your involvement in church or a hobby? Journal? Recovery takes active involvement of some form. Addiction is so good at sneaking up behind us. I just want to make sure your recovery has the most solid footing possible. :)

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I was pretty ignorant to opiates until I was given a sub from someone I really trusted. I didn't even know what it was. But eventually I had to keep taking them to be ok.

I am no longer involved with that individual and I feel like that's a major plus in me ever going back there again. Ill never be ignorant to this soul sucking crap again. I feel I lived and learned my lessons well.

I feel I am a very strong willed person also. So I'm not really worried about it. I could be wrong...I have been before.


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Also, I have to say this was not a planned attempt by any means. It was like a Monday I had one strip left and an appt w a new doc. He told me he wasn't comf giving me what I was on and that I should find someone else who would. He said he would only be willing to give me 2 mgs and he wasn't even sure how long he'd do that.

So when I left there I started calling all the docs around I could to no avail. So I started freaking out, and by Wednesday I was like this is bs. If I just quit I won't have to worry bout this stress. So the next day was the first day. I was able to take a little over a week off work. And here I am five weeks later.


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Hello all,

Just giving an update on my situation I originally posted about. The clock has struck midnight bringing me into 6 weeks since I jumped from 16 mg cold turkey. 6 weeks!? Has it been that long I ask myself. Hell yeah it has. The first few weeks and a few days since have blurred together, I feel like I lost a few days here and there but I really didn't. Just felt the same crap way for a bunch of days strung together I guess made it feel like one or a couple looong days.

I'm up at midnight because I worked late. Been up since 5 am yest because I had court for my daughter at 845 am. The only time I felt really frustrated yest was when I tried to take a nap between court and work and could not. Last night I slept between 4 and 5 hrs straight... on ambien. If I hadn't taken it I would have woke up at least once or twice an hour. But I have suffered with insomnia a lot in recent yrs, even on subs. Not quite this bad, but pretty damn close. So I'm thankful for all the sleep I do get.

I have a few symptoms still. Goosebumps, sneezing, stomach issues all improving ever so slightly as time passes. I feel like I'm doing time, even though I never have done actual time. I imagine it would be something like this. I've "sentenced" myself to prob 100 days. Almost halfway there.

I've been working since day 10 or 11. It was not easy to go back. Most everyone thought I had a really bad stomach virus. They all asked if I felt better. Lol. No I did not, but I had to try to act as if I was. It was a good cover for losing so much weight, everyone keeps telling me I look great. Sure haven't felt so, but okay. I work with my mom and last Sunday she asked me how I was to which I replied "good" and she said hearing that made her day. I didn't feel good, I felt ok at best, but I figured I'm going to fake it til I make it. Work is getting easier. I'm more apt to joke and have fun than before when I was on subs, and I'm able to take things a little more lightly it seems. Put things in perspective better.

I have no cravings at all. I still have half a film left that I'm scared to death to even think about taking for fear I may go backwards or stay the same longer than I have to. I don't know why I've even kept it.

I have been drinking in moderation at night to help relax. Just maybe one or two drinks. I've learned from my last time quitting subs to never ever get drunk while going thru wd, cause being hung over while in that state is the absolute worst thing! I'm not an alcoholic, while on subs I hardly drank at all. I used to smoke pot, and I haven't done that in a couple years. Id rather do that than drink anyday but its not "legal" and I'm trying to do the right thing.

So here's proof it can be done. No pain no gain.


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How was the court date? Any progress with your daughter's situation? Treatment of any kind?

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Court date was pretty much a technicality, she wasn't even there. She is staying where she is, we don't have to go back to court for a month. She will be there for that. I met with my attorney, I met my daughter's advocate too.

She is going to start therapy and were still waiting on the results from the eval. She will prob have a full psych eval, they said yesterday she highly likely has adhd, which is probable as I have it still. She cannot come home until some significant progress is made. My attorney said its usually the other way around where the parent has to meet certain criteria to have their children back. But in this case the judge will ultimately make my daughter responsible.


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I don't feel like its any coincidence that I am finally putting my foot down about all this and quitting the subs simutaneously. This has been going on since May where she has been getting completely out of control. She's bigger than me, and A LOT bigger than her sister. She's bullied both of us, mostly her sister but tried to do the same to me. If you could only see the damage to my home... thousands of dollars. Every single door in my home is busted, including the front door, 2 holes in the walls, she broke a sink and a toilet! She even went outside with a sharpie and wrote something very explicit outside my bedroom.


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You brought her up short with your decision to seek outside help. And she is in a better place where she can work on her anger issues and establishing better boundaries for her life.

There could also be programs provided by the courts or county services that would help you stick to your guns and not get bullied around when she gets back home. I think it's an important thing for you to check out. :)

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I'm sorry Amy, I don't understand what you meant by I brought her up short?

I am just getting home from a visit with my daughter. It went pretty well. Except they were an hour and a half late meeting me! We went out to lunch. I can tell things are nowhere near resolveod based on her speaking of arguing and wanting to fight. It wasn't directed toward me this time. I told her she really needs to cool down or shell end up in more trouble.

Still waiting to hear from the doc who did the initial eval. Next Tuesday we have her juvenille fire starter class, and next Wednesday she will be meeting with her probation officer. I'm so glad shell have someone to answer to finally. She got put on probation and wasn't home long enough to be assigned a po before she went to detention for 5-6 weeks, then she had to be removed again the day before we were supposed to meet with them. So I had nobody to call besides the dfs worker or the police.

So I'm off today and just relaxing at home for a little then going to try some back to school shopping with my ten year old. We went out Monday but I had to leave the store with her because she was giving me such an attitude. So I hope this time goes better. I think it will because now she knows I won't tolerate it and have no probs taking her ass home!


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Wow Q, you do have your hands full! The ten yr old gives you a hard time too? There is no excuse for rudeness from dyfs. That infuriates me that they kept you waiting! I say, if it happens again, contact a supervisor. My sister owns a daycare and takes children that have dyfs workers. She has called supervisors about their lack of professionalism several times. One example, the dyfs worker came to pick up a two year old for a family visit and she did not have a car seat. She was just going to buckle in the back seat. My sister said no and the worker was furious! The supervisor backed my sister. Long story short, they dont always make the best decisions either! Hope you have a great weekend!


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The phrase "brought her up short" means to me that you pulled in the reins, you wouldn't let her run all over you any more. All good things!

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Gotcha! Didn't think you meant anything bad, just curious!


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Well tomorrow will be 7 weeks! I'm sitting here writing this tired as #$&! because I've been working soooo much lately. 6 days this week and on 2 occasions I've had to work late at night then come in the next morning. As if my internal clock isn't messed up enough. And I'm still having probs sleeping even when I'm exhausted. Also, it doesn't help I only have 1 ambien left. My doc only prescribed 30 but didn't want to see me back for 6 weeks. I go see him Monday. I was thinking about asking him for the extended release form since the Ambien does help, but only for the first 4 hours.

I have an appt with a new therapist Friday morrning. I really don't like talk therapy, but at this place you have to do that first to see the doctor. My family doc is currently prescribing wellbutrin and the ambien, and I figured he means well but I should really see a specialist in regards to my major depression, anxiety, residual adult adhd, and insomnia (all diagnosed). So well see how that goes. I've had some cool therapists before, and I've had some I clashed with. I hope it goes ok. I haven't done therapy for myself in over 10 years so maybe being older and more mature it will be of more benefit. I just hate all the questions.

Yesterday was my daughters fire starter class with the fire marshall. He said she was at moderate risk for fire setting. I kind of felt better that he really seemed to understand my concerns and took them seriously. He kept telling her fire is no joke, has no conscious, all it wants to do is exist, eat, and grow. At the end there were some pics he showed us of burn victims, and she got really upset. Some were babies! It was awful, but I do think he got through to her. After the class they said I could bring her back to where she's staying, and we could go school shopping and out to lunch. I was not prepared to do this, I kind of felt put on the spot. But they said it in front of her so I agreed. I had to rush home after dropping her off, then rush to work. Made it just in time.

So physical symptoms. Still sneezing a lot. The goosebumps are slowly getting better, I find that in air conditioning its worst, and also when someone says something or I hear or think about something unpleasant. Bathroom issues getting better slightly, but still persistant.

I think being so busy is helping me not think about.how I'm feeling too much. I'm definitely a little better than last week, and A LOT better than 2 and 3 weeks ago. It was about that 5 week mark things really started getting better for me. Weeks 2-3 was tough because even though I felt better, I didn't feel good and it was hard to notice any improvement. So looking back I can tell I'm def doing much much better. So its true time does heal all.


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That's awesome Q.
You def have alot going on. You are amazing. Congrats Congrats Congrats. You give me some hope. I'm so glad you feel the marshall was able to get through to her. That's wonderful news. You must feel alot better about that. Keep uo the good work. You inspire me to march on no matter what. I'm hoping i can. Thank you for the support and kind words. Even with all you're going through you should know that you have really helped someone else. (That being me).


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