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I jumped off suboxone at 1mg 7 days ago. This morning is the start of day 8. I started at 8mg and tapered over the past year to 1mg per day before bed. I started taking subs to quit the opiates my doc gave me for a dirt bike wreck where I broke my back. I started with 30 norco 10/325 a month and after 3 years I was up to 180 30mg oxy a month. I always took as directed, never doctor shopped or abused!!! After my last surgery a year ago the docs cut me off and I went into horrible wd. 48hrs of this and they gave me the miracle drug(or so I thought)... According to my doc if I took it for one year and tapered exactly as he told me I'd have very minimal side effects or wd... The past few days I've read hundreds of posts and they all scare the shit out of me or seem to be too good to be true! That's my background in a nutshell. Here are my concerns:

Has anyone out there jumped at 1mg with a similar situation, and when will I feel human again?

Is this phantom pain or is this the effect of my past injuries, or both? ( back surgeon said he fixed it and should be a normal pain free life) that's when I got cut off cold turkey!!!

I've taken adderol 60mg, ib prophen 800 twice daily, and tramadol daily 200mg daily and have tapered to 50mg daily... This has just taken the edge off and made work and life tolerable...

My doc gave it to me and said this would help. Is he full of shit? What happens when I quit the adderol? Any side effects?

Yesterday I woke up after 2 full hours of sleep and did not take anything, exercized, worked and @ 3pm was in horrible crippling pain w RLS, anxiety/mood swings ... I did the first 7 days alone and embarrassed of what I got myself into, 8pm I came clean to my girl and she has made the last 12 hours almost comfortable.

When can I expect to peak and start feeling better? Yesterday was day 7 or day 4after 36 hrs from last suboxone...HOW LONG CAN THIS LAST??

Should I taper the adderol too? Or wait a few more days? Has adderol made the experience tolerable for anyone else? Is it the devil in disguise just like the subs? The day I started suboxone i sold my soul to the devil!!! I Take full responsibility for my actions and have realized that no matter what your doc says, there is no miracle drug, you gotta pay the piper!

I WANT MY NORMAL LIFE BACK!

From what I've learned recently, I should have quit subs after one week/ 14 days max! NOT 1 YEAR!

Here is a daily account of my symptoms for anyone looking for answers in a similar situation, I'll update daily and always talk to anyone in the future who responds looking for support!!

Day 1 (24 hrs no subs)
Called Doc in a panic asking for refill, he said relax I'll be fine

Day 2 -3
He was right, this isn't bad
Minor aches and little sleep 6hrs per night toss and turn
Irritable

Day 4-6
Joint pain gets worse
Crazy mood swings
24 hr boner making sleep impossible! 3 trips to the shower and it finally goes down
RLS (restless leg syndrome) can't stop shaking!!!
Lay on bathroom floor and turn steam on full ( the sound of the water and the heat made 2 hours of sleep possible)
Up at 5 am

Day 7
YOU F***ING LIAR!!!
I want to cry when I see puppies on tv
Feels like someone is cutting thru my bones with a dull saw
Skin is on fire
Back feels like someone is hitting me with a hammer
Toss and turn and get 15 mins of sleep every 3 hours till 6am and up for the day again
Did I mention mood swings?
Untill this point I was doing it totally and completely alone!! That was my worst mistake!!!!!!
After almost destroying my relationship w mood swings and stress and pain of withdrawal I tell my girl what's up

Now here is a word to the wise, no matter how good you think you are hiding it, the people that love you will know something is wrong, it was alot more obvious then I had suspected!!!!

THE SUPPORT SHE GAVE DIDN'T TAKE THE PAIN AWAY, but not hiding it and being honest took away the stress and mood swings... When I start getting cranky she rubs my back now and the support is great!

Day 8

Tapered all meds
30mg of adderol
50 mg tramadol
Ibprophen 800

6am
back spasm and cramps
Horrible joint and muscle pain
Ugh, the boner is back and won't go down again!!! Not sure why this happens
( not morning wood its like the empire state building on Viagra )
7am hot shower and then jog up and down stairs for 15 mins
730 feeling a little better, not as bad as day 7, but not much better..

I'll check in later and update:

Please comment and be cool. I've tried to be brutally honest and not exaggerate.
No Judgements, I hope this helps someone else one day
I've read tons of posts and its comforting so I decided to share and give some back too

Best of Luck to you and I hope to get some good feedback about my situation without drama or exaggeration

XXX
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1o:30 and going to suck it up and jog to the store


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Just curious,
Why do you want to jump off of suboxone? Is it personal preference? Don't want to be taking a pill every day, for the rest of your life? Is it the "I'm not swapping a pill for a pill" mentality that makes you wanna do it?

I ask reasonably, without ill-intent meant in those questions. You have some pretty serious, and pretty legitimate reasons to be on some sort of pain relief...and you might as well face facts, pain will always be a factor in your life due to the injuries you've sustained. Arthritis is something that NONE of us really want, but I deal with it too, and it's a factor in how I feel.
I'm only 33, and I have arthritis in quite a few places..and that's just something that you have to deal with managing..

I would MUCH rather be on Suboxone than to be given any number of opiates that leads me to more suffering and more pain, then the opiate withdrawals and the things that come along with that.

I would SERIOUSLY consider doing something long-term with Suboxone, consider a maintenance dosing of it..because you're going to eventually be bound to taking something so that the arthritis is bearable. We all know how it goes with arthritis, and it DOES eventually become an unbearable pain..


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Welcome! I am sorry you are suffering. If you were not addicted to pain meds and just tolerant then yes you probably should have just used the sub to detox.

However, it's too late now and here you are. 1mg is actually a bit of a high dose to jump from, it is recommended to taper down to .25 or even lower. If you can't take the withdrawl anymore you could continue to taper. Being off for a week you may find .5mg will do the trick. Other than that your only real option is to get thru it.

I do not know much about adderal and have never heard of it used for withdrawl. Did your Dr prescribe it to you for withdrawl or were you already on it? If you do not have a condition that adderal is taken for it may make the anxiety and restlessness worse since it is a stimulant. A lot of people on the forum say that clonidine is the most helpful script you can get to help with withdrawls. It is a blood pressure med but is prescribed to treat opiate withdrawls. It is non addictive and will help with the RLS and crawling skin.

I have not detoxed off of sub yet but we have many members that have, I am sure one will stop by to offer some advice. Remember what you are feeling now is not permanent and you will feel better. Unfortunately all you can do is wait.


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I've taken adderal off and on for years for ADD & ADHD... I think yesterday was the peak, I woke up and went for a long walk/jog and feel better now then I have in years with very little pain.... I think exercise is the key to finish weathering this storm. Subs were always a means to an end for me. If my injuries cause me to be on meds every day forever then so be it, but I want make that decision without any influence of the prevailing WD.

I can tell you from my experience and the little research I've done that the adderal helps more then you could ever imagine. It's my understanding that adderal has a similar effect on the receptors causing the production of natural dopamine and helps the recovering endorphins....

Thanks & I'll keep ya posted


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OP, you tapered too fast. I understand why..doctors lie to us all the time, and one of their favorites is pretending that Sub doesn't need to be tapered into mcg doses the way it really does.

The good news is, you've probably passed the halfway mark as far as acute w/d symptoms. I would try some loperamide if you're in the US (codeine if you're abroad). You have to take a LOT but it really helps a lot of people during sub withdrawal. Some claim kratom helps too.

The adderall is helping of course, except in the realm of sleep. The only side effects from coming off adderall should be the return of feeling sleepy, hungry, and possibly depressed. I always feel depressed the day after I take an adderall, and that's just one day.

It sounds like you were suddenly cut off from your meds. What happened?

Honestly, if I were you, with 8 days off, I'd keep going and complete the detox. You should be proud of yourself! However, if you don't feel you're ready to be off opiates, you could always find another doctor.

P.S. How the hell did you sleep whilst in w/d AND taking Adderall?

Whatever you do, I hope you feel better soon!


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I ran out after extending my holiday vacation a week and being 2000 miles from home. The doc said I'd be fine and it was my intent to quit at this point anyway. I was at 1mg for a month w no symptoms or I'll effects and could skip days.

I've taken meds for ADD & ADHD for most of my life starting in elementary school. I could be wrong but I think it reacts differently when it's for recreation rather then ADHD. It has a calming effect on me and levels me out. I need twice as much as the normal person to get wired. I try to only take it for a few months on and then a month @ 1/2 or 1/4 dose for a month so I do not get a tolerance and this has worked well for me...

No matter how bad it gets I refuse to refill suboxone! Most of what I've read says 2 weeks is the worst and at day 14 there is a light at the end of the tunnel! 5 more days of hell is a small price to pay...

Do you know anyone who took it for a year and jumped at or around 1mg and how long did it take to get thru the apex of sub detox hell??

Most of what I've read says the longer you take it the harder the kick.

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First off I'd like to say how sorry I am for your suffering. Especially when you didn't even abuse your pain meds.

I am not sure how many here have jumped at 1mg but there is another website for Sub where I know for sure there are several who did it at 1mg. Some had minor w/d's and others had more like you. Go check out the Addiction Survivors site. If you can't find it I'll post the URL. I believe it is connected to the makers of Suboxone. (I can never remember the name) I found the site through NAABT.

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I dont condone what I am about to tell you, as I was never really an addict and had a horrible doctor " POST LEG RECONSTRUCTION SURGERY place me on subs to ween me off the morphine I was taking.
I starting with 8mg a day. Hated it! But it did stop the horrible withdraw from opiates. I was on that stuff and tried and tried to stop and just felt like I was dying. So, knowing I never really liked the way the opiated made me feel I did this.

I weened my self down to .25 or maybe a bit less of the subs. I did this over a 4 month period. I then Skipped a day or so when I could. On the cuff! I mean to say I made my self do it. I then had my doctor call me in 5mg percs. 20 of them.

I stopped the subs, I waited two days and when I was in the Iraqi war zone being shot at with nucular bombs! I took half a pill. I then waited 6 hrs and took another half and so on. Never more then a half before six hours.

I did this for six days. Then I stopped taking the pills. DONE! OVER! NOT A WITHDRAW SYMPTOM in the world. Not one.


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I jumped off suboxone at 1mg 7 days ago. This morning is the start of day 8. I started at 8mg and tapered over the past year to 1mg per day before bed. I started taking subs to quit the opiates my doc gave me for a dirt bike wreck where I broke my back. I started with 30 norco 10/325 a month and after 3 years I was up to 180 30mg oxy a month. I always took as directed, never doctor shopped or abused!!! After my last surgery a year ago the docs cut me off and I went into horrible wd. 48hrs of this and they gave me the miracle drug(or so I thought)... According to my doc if I took it for one year and tapered exactly as he told me I'd have very minimal side effects or wd... The past few days I've read hundreds of posts and they all scare the shit out of me or seem to be too good to be true! That's my background in a nutshell. Here are my concerns:

Has anyone out there jumped at 1mg with a similar situation, and when will I feel human again?

Is this phantom pain or is this the effect of my past injuries, or both? ( back surgeon said he fixed it and should be a normal pain free life) that's when I got cut off cold turkey!!!

I've taken adderol 60mg, ib prophen 800 twice daily, and tramadol daily 200mg daily and have tapered to 50mg daily... This has just taken the edge off and made work and life tolerable...

My doc gave it to me and said this would help. Is he full of shit? What happens when I quit the adderol? Any side effects?

Yesterday I woke up after 2 full hours of sleep and did not take anything, exercized, worked and @ 3pm was in horrible crippling pain w RLS, anxiety/mood swings ... I did the first 7 days alone and embarrassed of what I got myself into, 8pm I came clean to my girl and she has made the last 12 hours almost comfortable.

When can I expect to peak and start feeling better? Yesterday was day 7 or day 4after 36 hrs from last suboxone...HOW LONG CAN THIS LAST??

Should I taper the adderol too? Or wait a few more days? Has adderol made the experience tolerable for anyone else? Is it the devil in disguise just like the subs? The day I started suboxone i sold my soul to the devil!!! I Take full responsibility for my actions and have realized that no matter what your doc says, there is no miracle drug, you gotta pay the piper!

I WANT MY NORMAL LIFE BACK!

From what I've learned recently, I should have quit subs after one week/ 14 days max! NOT 1 YEAR!

Here is a daily account of my symptoms for anyone looking for answers in a similar situation, I'll update daily and always talk to anyone in the future who responds looking for support!!

Day 1 (24 hrs no subs)
Called Doc in a panic asking for refill, he said relax I'll be fine

Day 2 -3
He was right, this isn't bad
Minor aches and little sleep 6hrs per night toss and turn
Irritable

Day 4-6
Joint pain gets worse
Crazy mood swings
24 hr boner making sleep impossible! 3 trips to the shower and it finally goes down
RLS (restless leg syndrome) can't stop shaking!!!
Lay on bathroom floor and turn steam on full ( the sound of the water and the heat made 2 hours of sleep possible)
Up at 5 am

Day 7
YOU F***ING LIAR!!!
I want to cry when I see puppies on tv
Feels like someone is cutting thru my bones with a dull saw
Skin is on fire
Back feels like someone is hitting me with a hammer
Toss and turn and get 15 mins of sleep every 3 hours till 6am and up for the day again
Did I mention mood swings?
Untill this point I was doing it totally and completely alone!! That was my worst mistake!!!!!!
After almost destroying my relationship w mood swings and stress and pain of withdrawal I tell my girl what's up

Now here is a word to the wise, no matter how good you think you are hiding it, the people that love you will know something is wrong, it was alot more obvious then I had suspected!!!!

THE SUPPORT SHE GAVE DIDN'T TAKE THE PAIN AWAY, but not hiding it and being honest took away the stress and mood swings... When I start getting cranky she rubs my back now and the support is great!

Day 8

Tapered all meds
30mg of adderol
50 mg tramadol
Ibprophen 800

6am
back spasm and cramps
Horrible joint and muscle pain
Ugh, the boner is back and won't go down again!!! Not sure why this happens
( not morning wood its like the empire state building on Viagra )
7am hot shower and then jog up and down stairs for 15 mins
730 feeling a little better, not as bad as day 7, but not much better..

I'll check in later and update:

Please comment and be cool. I've tried to be brutally honest and not exaggerate.
No Judgements, I hope this helps someone else one day
I've read tons of posts and its comforting so I decided to share and give some back too

Best of Luck to you and I hope to get some good feedback about my situation without drama or exaggeration

XXX
ZERO


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I am Currently approaching day 7 of my Subutex Detox it Is Damn TOUGH...I Feel Like Poo!!
With that being said,The Subutex withdrawals are No Where near as intense for me as were painkillers.It Can be done with Alot of patience,Alot of support,The Will to succeed,and the understanding and acceptance that you WILL be feeling pretty bad for a While.On day One of my Detox I was looking into Natural Herbs that would help with the withdrawal symptoms and I came across an Herb from Southeast Asia called Kratom.At this point it was too late to order some online and give it a try because it would take about 3-5 days to get to me.Chance had it,I went to pick up my brother from work that night and I look on the counter of the store and I see a Natural Painkilling Product called "Vico-Zen".I took a look at the ingredients and I Noticed it contains a significant amount of Kratom,So at $11 a 2 OZ Shot I picked some up.The next day I woke up feeling like Hammered SH*T so I decided to give it a try.To my Shock,It Completely took the symptoms away for about 5-6 hours.Went back the next day and cleaned them Out,I used the last bottle yesterday but I do Not feel too bad right now.

Jan. 9th 2012 9:30pm.....My Symptoms
Minor "Crawling Skin" Goosebumps
Urinating A lot...
a bit tired
a bit sore
Hot flashes

I am Hoping I have passed the tipping point and I will only feel better from now on.Tomorrow I am planning on resuming my exercise if I am feeling well enough.

Zero,I just wanted to tell you.....I Feel your pain Brother and I am going through it as Well.Be Strong and just Know that All the Horror WILL be over Soon.Then you will Certainly have your life back Clean and Sober.I know that's what I'm looking forward to.Take Care,Good Luck and G-D Bless!!

A Quick Shout out to SubOxDoc......A MILLION Thanks for What you are doing for people like myself.From my experiences,Most Dr.s are into treating Patients Mostly for the $$.You my friend,Are REALLY helping people out of the kindness of your heart.You are helping to give people like myself a Second chance at life and that is one of the GREATEST gifts you can give!!

One Luv,
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The tipping point is the worst!!! I feel your pain... I'm glad you found something to take the edge off!
I'm on day 11 and take only Ibprophen 800. 1 in the am and again before bed... I don't even think about it anymore.

Keep it up, It only gets easier from here.... I found exercise to be the greatest cure to all the aches and pain...

Be proud of yourself, kicking this stuff takes a lot of will power.

Best of luck & great job

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Just joined this forum and wish i had joined earlier ! Quit Subs on dec 26th and feel pretty good. was on for over 3 years. way too long! i experienced virtually no WD symptoms after i stopped but weaned down to tiny smidges every other day. had 2mg films that i was cutting into thin strips.i was never on more then 4 mg day thank God. it took probly 6 months to taper down to taking about 20 days to go through a 2mg film. I had no support at all. nobody ever knew i was taking this or any of the oxy i was on for 5 years. dont recomend that at all. wish i had support and i wouldnt have taken either for so long. for me a long taper was the only way. had to keep working (self employed) and had to get through almost 3 years of some tough times but so proud of myself i am finally drug free and my brain can heal. so looking forward to seeing my real sober self in the mirror again.been sooo long. think it will be a little while fro that since i've been on this stuff for so long but i reaaly am feeling a little more normal every day. if any one wants any more details of my taper i would be glad to help. after reading posts from this and other forums i feel so bad for people trying to get off this stuff. i know its a very difficult thing to face


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Quitting alone sucks, tapering to an extremely low dose seems to be the way to go.

All the home remedies on here just seem to make it tolerable and take the edge off.

For me the key was exercise, the more active you are the better and faster you will kick it ass outta your system. I try to jog at least twice a day and work up a good sweat...

Day 12 and I woke up happy, didnt take me 2 hours to wake up and start my day.

Subs are a good thing for a lot of people so I won't slam the drug, but most of us shoulda found this forum before we took it!

I learned the best lesson of all , before taking any drug DO YOUR HOMEWORK and know what youre getting yourself into!

Glad you are feeling good and if I can help just hit me up

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NickyZero wrote:
Quitting alone sucks, tapering to an extremely low dose seems to be the way to go.

All the home remedies on here just seem to make it tolerable and take the edge off.

For me the key was exercise, the more active you are the better and faster you will kick it ass outta your system. I try to jog at least twice a day and work up a good sweat...

Day 12 and I woke up happy, didnt take me 2 hours to wake up and start my day.

Subs are a good thing for a lot of people so I won't slam the drug, but most of us shoulda found this forum before we took it!

I learned the best lesson of all , before taking any drug DO YOUR HOMEWORK and know what youre getting yourself into!

Glad you are feeling good and if I can help just hit me up

Zero


Amen. Do your homework. That IS what we all need to learn. I've learned through this to advocate for myself and not blindly take anything. I've learned to never blindly believe a doctor knows what they are talking about. We all have to look out for ourselves.

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wow' here i am at 22mg for over 2 years. and reading/Nickyzero/dunkanmom/charliem/suboxfan. your story's' here on nickyzero's thread is giving me some hope. nickyzero". some day i would like you to show me your tapper? but i think ladder's i s the best yet. man' here reading this thread is so well put together on the real meaning of going on and going off suboxone.
i getting to fucking old to be stayinjg in 22mgs for over 2 years. here i am was just talking to my friend wayne'. he's 49 years old drinks 2 six packs of beer every other day ' and is on suboxone 24mg a day for the past 8 fucking years and still working hard and looking good :lol: but shit '. nickyzero's story hit my spot ' and makes me want to do a tapper 8) ??? but i don't see me doing it'. i would most like'y drink more beer than wayne is right now and that would kill me a lot quicker than any drug. suboxone does'nt seem to be cousing any harm to me? exept for the slim short dull on going knowing ever lasting unexplainable feelings i have on suboxone. it feels sorta like this'!! if some one got ran over by a truck right in front of me' i would say '. oh deer'. thats to bad? :? but if my cat walks by me with a smile on it's face'. THEN' I WOULD START CRING? :roll: last week i was walking across the rail road tracks". and i said '. oh wow'. look at that big beutifull blue train coming at me'? then sorta snap't to it ' and walked off the tracks :lol: i don't mind these emotion's or what ever'. but just knowing that they are there'. and wanting that bigger whole feeling back? i almost feel like i am suffercating with out the feeling i lost, and every one el's just thinks i'm be'ing an ass hole. but some don't for they do understand a very little.

NICKYZERO'. ARE YOU GUYS GETTING THAT OLD FEELING BACK YET?????

YOUR THREAD IS A GREAT ONE'.

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thanks for the replys.. and comments.
i found home remedies were good too, vitamins, b complex, the amino acid DLPA i started right away too. did research and read on other forums it was a help. it's supposed to help with pain AND depression with no side affects. worth some research. i have been taking 1000mg daily but have read dosing was as high as 3000mg. dont kno about that! thought it was much better then what my doc prescribed...clonidine and trazodone which i took twice but did not feel good on and it really dehydrated me.
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Johnboy, you seem like you are in a similar situation as me...

My taper:

First month 8mg
Month 2: 4mg ( no wd or effect)
Month 3 4mg
Months 4,5,&6 I went to 2mg
Months 6 thru 9 took 1mg in am and 1mg before bed
Months 10 & 11 I took 1mg every 18 hours
Month 12 took 1mg mid day and then jumped when I was out

It is now day 12 and I slept 7 hours, was up at 6:30am and went for a jog...
Exercise, vitimans, diet and positive thinking are the tools you will need!

If you convince yourself your hurting and it's horrible, it will be!

Im not saying it is easy or it isn't hell, but dwelling on it only amplifies the effects ( for me anyways)

For me it was like a light switch, I went to bed feeling like ass and woke up refreshed

Its been 3 days now and I am clear headed, excited to wake up and do anything! I have energy and my old life back

Your body will tell you how fast or slow to take it.
Vitimans helped a lot, during the peak I took loperamide (Imodium AD) and it was a lifesaver!!!
I took 20mg (they are 2mg pills) 3 hours before bed
Multi vitimin I can get you the name of it later
Zantac 150mg with the Imodium 1 or 2
And a stool softener so I didn't get plugged up..
Ib prophen 800mg twice daily and as much water as I could handle

Instead of jogging 2 miles, I went on for jogs about 1/4 mile each.
First when Id wake up, before lunch time, before dinner and 30 mins before bed...

That's basically it...

I wish you the best and if I can do anything to make this easier for you just shoot me a post.

Lots of luck... You can do it! STAY POSITIVE AND KEEP OCCUPIED

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I'm sorry but 1mg is really no big deal. In fact, not only me, but several of my freinds were able to jump off 4mg with only minor discomfort. Buprenorphine "withdrawal" is minor compared to a full agonist, although a bit longer.

All these types of posts do is scare people from getting off their full agonist opiate drug of choice (heroin, oxy, etc) and onto the better choice of suboxone therapy.

If there is one thing I know from experience is that opiate addicts are the BIGGEST babies when it comes to any form of discomfort. Suck it up folks and remember what it was like coming off the "true" full agonist opiate!

Again, after 2years of 16mg suboxone, I quickly tapered to 4mg with virtually no issues. The only problems I had was due to reading posts like the ones above. Sadly even from "Moderators" that obvious have zero experience with anything.

The FACT is that the data shows that a 20-25% dose reduction every 4 days is fine until you get to ~2mg Bup. Then you can alternate days, if you must. Then after a week you are done! The rest is due to PAWS... Nothing to help this but psychiatry and meetings, and other types of self-help - Try Church....


Also, just a reminder, the only people that post their "experiences" are ones with negative ones. And from what it looks like all of you guys are the "ones" that used to complain all the time about being "so sick I wanna die" - Get over it and toughen up


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Just wondering about your RLS you had, b/c of your Adderall use during your 1st week of withdrawal. Some say high dopamine levels can prevent RLS, b/c when withdrawing from opiates, all your feel good chemicals (serotonin/dopamine) are depleted, leading to depression, anxiety, and restlessness.

Suboxone withdrawal can be tough, but just think of how much better your life will be after its all over. You might think it never ends, but it does. The misery will eventually pass, and it might seem like forever, but time goes slowly and it will eventually pass. Keep busy, go for a run, even if it may seem like the last thing on your mind. Sweat it out to get temporary relief from your symptoms. It really works to raise endorphin levels, which in turn will increase dopamine and serotonin.

Tough it out, and let this be a learning experience to respect opiates. Withdrawal can seem like the devil, but it's just your body's natural response to low endorphin levels.
TOUGH IT OUT, YOU CAN DO IT!

-Manny


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