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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:34 pm 
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Hello all! I am new to this forum and thought I would tell you a bit about myself and my experience with Suboxone. I have become interested in talking with others about their Suboxone use because my doctor is now starting to wean me off the sub, and at a pretty fast rate it seems to me. I have been on it for about five years and at my last visit he seemed to be concerned suddenly that I've been on it way too long and need to get off of it. So I was dropped to 4mg for a couple of months, then down to 2mg this month. It will go down to 1mg next month, and so on. I'm just not so sure why it is a problem to be on the drug for long periods, or even for a lifetime, if it keeps a person clean.
I have had drug and alcohol problems my whole life, starting at the age of 14. I have also been diagnosed with major depressive disorder, bipolar II, and anxiety disorder. I am being medicated for them, but have been having problems with getting my depression under control lately, it seems to be getting worse (almost crippling most days), and I'm wondering if the sub taper has anything to do with this. So how my opiate addiction began....I started seeing a pain management specialist years ago for back pain. I had had surgeries, etc. in the past that required opiate use for pain control and had never had a problem with them, so I didn't think anything would come of him prescribing a few Vicodin for my pain. All started well, until he indiscriminately started prescribing large doses of pain medicine. I was also in the third year or so of law school at night while working full time during the day, so I had a lot of stress. In the end, I was getting things like MS Contin and Dilaudid, and had a serious drug addiction. I was going to multiple docs and ER's just to sustain my habit. I did hit rock bottom, and in doing so ruined my life.
I detoxed at home a couple of times cold turkey, but after the physical w/d's were over, I just couldn't control the urge to use again, and so I did. I did some research about methadone, etc. and found a website about Suboxone. So I found a psychiatrist who did the sub program and he accepted me for it. He knew I was still using, and he explained how everything worked and that I would have to be so many hours into withdrawal when I took my first dose of sub in his office. Thankfully I had my mom take me for that first visit because I was extremely tired and felt really out of it after the first dose. I was in absolute amazement!! After about an hour, I just felt totally "normal" again....no withdrawals, no cravings...it is an amazing drug.
I guess my issue now is what the long term effects of sub use are, because it is a newer drug, so there are no long term studies on it. And will my brain be the same after using it for so long and now stopping it? I have noticed that my depression has become much more severe since starting the wean. I'm worried if he is weaning me too fast and am concerned that he is really not listening to me about my concerns and how I'm feeling. And my big worry is what if I ever need surgery or emergency medical care that may require pain meds....will they still work to stop pain? And of course I would only take pain meds if absolutely needed, like in surgery. I only mention this because about three years ago I had to have a liver biopsy and was told to stop the sub 3 days before the procedure. It turned into a nightmare! When they gave me the versed/fentanyl combo to put me out, I could immediately tell that it wasn't working like when I had it before the sub with other procedures. It was like the versed sedated me but I could still feel everything the doctor was doing, but couldn't say anything...the pain was horrible. The doctor doing the biopsy was aware that I was on sub. When I woke up in recovery, I was crying and in the worst pain I had ever felt. The dr. ordered some more fentanyl, but that didn't touch the pain at all. They actually had to call down the resident anesthesiologist because they didn't know what to do...he gave me morphine that didn't work, some demerol, more morphine...finally I was told they gave me a shot of Toradol, which stopped the pain and I slept for 2 hours. Toradol is a great pain med for those of you that can't/won't take opiates for pain. In talking with the drs. after I woke up, they were shocked and stumped that they couldn't give me pain control.
So I'm on here just to talk with others about their experiences with suboxone, and to maybe get some of my questions answered.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:47 pm 
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hello Lto,welcome..you will find answers here.There are some addicts here with good advice.
However, id like to tell you that the Dr who owns tbis site has a blog called Suboxone Talkzone.
Flip over there and get the best info possiable.It is all there.He also is an addict and has treated hundreds,many
on subs.
ive learned so much from him and his writngs.
There will be others who will come aloug and help also.I just want people to get the true facts.
Lots of good people here..

Im sorry your dr has changed his plan for you.
Sounds like you have been doing fine and now
this forced taper.?
Maybe talk with your doc? Tell him your hurting.Im convinced
suboxone keeps depression away for me.plus i do not drink any louger either.30months next week..
Anyway....hope you find reading dr junigs blogs helpful...well i know you will.
Just hit Talkzone on the front of the page..


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yeah,,, your definitely in the right place.... GLAD you found us...

Well I'd say,, there's NOTHING wrong with being on it "long term" or even a lifetime, but I also think it's a good idea to keep an open mind, , , , always.
I do NOT think being "pressured" off suboxone is a GOOD plan AT ALL though!!!

So,,,, Here's the two best links, if your interested in finding a new doctor....

http://www.suboxone.com/patients/opioid ... octor.aspx

http://www.naabt.org/

Second,,,, If you want to keep "going" with the taper,,, it seems like MOST people that are SUCESSFUL go to really small doses,,,, so here's some links, for HOW TO GET THERE!!!


Liquid Taper method
http://suboxforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=296


Success with the hole puncher method (how to get consistent small doses)
http://suboxforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=7449

and another taper down.............
http://suboxforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3 ... sc&start=0


lastly, I'll leave ya with this......
and if you have any more questions, or if I forgot to answer one, just ask........
Oh,,, you can find TONS of threads on how/what people do to get thru surgeries, in the "surgery and suboxone" tab.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2CQ94aXDoQ&feature=c4-overview&playnext=1&list=TLfVLPy4owA2g[/youtube]

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Hi Lto, your story about your surgery is my worst fear come true, i am sorry you had to go through that...I am not sure if some might think this is over the top,, but i ordered a medical ID bracelet just in case,,, i get hurt & can't communicate that pain meds might not work...I laugh at myself just reading what i wrote but HONESTLY this scenario was a HUGE issue for me returning back to subs...I know for me i should stay on subs, but let me tell ya,,,I truly worry about this issue a few times a week.The bracelet i think was under 20. $ & they inscribe what you want it to say(word limit) mine says( MEDS SUBOXONE )
MU
receptors
BLOCKED
With a red alert tag,lol!!! You can pick style/silver/gold charms ect...If anyone is a" what if "kind of person, this made my decision easier for me. :lol: Lto if you want to stay on subs i say trust yourself, do what YOU think is right for YOU & if your sub doc does not agree, find one that does... 8)

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