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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:24 pm 
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Hello everyone, my name is Rick. I found this website and read alot of valuable information so I thought I would join.

I am NOT an addict, but in my area, we have just opened a suboxone treament program that I hope to become a part of very shortly here.

My backround includes researching supplementation, pharmocology, diet and exercise, weight training etc.

I have a passion for all things health related and I am very empathetic towards my fellow people, and I hope to receive training very soon in drug and alcohol addictions, concurrent disorders, and to receive my registered nutritional consultant practitioner certificate.

Since I have been invited to learn about opiate addictions and our local suboxone program, I wanted to use as many avenues as possible to explore and learn from those on the professional side, as well as the addiction side.

This forum looks like a great learning tool, I can't wait to explore it even further!

Outside of that, I am a father of 6 beautiful children , and enjoy fishing, weight lifting, snowboarding.

I hope to meet some friends here, learn alot and just offer any type of support I can.

Thank you kindly for having me,

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I would like to refer you to doctor J's blog. The forum is great to hear different addicts opinions, but as far as accurate information to educate yourself with... I'd stick to the blog. It's full of great information for you when it comes to suboxone and opiate addiction.


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Also. Although some seem to think that suboxone has caused their teeth to fall out, hair fall out, and life to fall apart...... THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING SUBOXONE!!! IT HELPS MORE THAN HARMS!! Sorry. I'm just over all the blame suboxone for my problems instead of the true culprits posts. Also. If you have any say in the matter... Patients should be drug tested and shouldn't be allowed to use any illegal drugs or alcohol.... If you want them to get better. Just my two cents lol.


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MovieMaker1 wrote:
Also. Although some seem to think that suboxone has caused their teeth to fall out, hair fall out, and life to fall apart...... THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING SUBOXONE!!! IT HELPS MORE THAN HARMS!! Sorry. I'm just over all the blame suboxone for my problems instead of the true culprits posts. Also. If you have any say in the matter... Patients should be drug tested and shouldn't be allowed to use any illegal drugs or alcohol.... If you want them to get better. Just my two cents lol.


Thanks MovieMaker1, much appreciated and I will check out the blog.

I'm not too sure where you are going with the rest of the post?

Our suboxone program is drug tested and all other ellicit compounds cannot be used, just to clarify.

It focuses very heavily on on counselling, and other very important aspects of full recovery, as well as after treatment programs to deal with or relearn normal life patterns.

The reason I mentioned alcohol treatment ets is because I want to be as well rounded as possible.

I feel it's very important to understand all addictions to pull information from different areas that may or may not be appropriate towards suboxone treatment

I believe being well rounded is a great approach, and my aim is to be able to help as much as physically and psychologically possible.

Thanks for the welcome, its truly appreciated! I will refer to the blog asap.

Thanks again


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Hi Pharmo, and welcome!

I have huge respect for your decision to look into the addicts viewpoint on suboxone treatment. In my experience most "professionals" don't take into account the addicts views on their own treatment nearly enough. I'm sure you have already noticed there are many different opinions represented here. I feel certain you will weed through the ones who will benefit your research and cull the rest fairly quickly. However I can usually see at least some truth in everyones point of view. And surely there is some value in each persons experience.

I hope you stick around for awhile. I second the recommendation of Dr. Junig's blog, It is a great source of information. If you have any specific questions give us a shot...I'm sure someone here will be able to help you understand anything you are struggling with. I don't know if you will ever be able to understand addiction if you haven't been through it personally because none of it makes sense...seriously. Even I don't understand why I did some of the things I have done or why I continue to do and think some things when I know they are not healthy or good for my recovery. Addiction is really hard to understand, even for those of us who are going through it. Please be open to hearing what we are saying as what is true for us, each individual experience is different but some things hold true for all. I hope that isn't too confusing.

Good luck with your training, I hope all goes well for you.


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You are welcome here, Rick! It's a wonderful idea for you to understand suboxone from the addicts pov as well as girding yourself with accurate information. I believe that Moviemaker was referring to the very loud minority on this forum who hate suboxone and are willing to believe any negativity about sub, even if it's only anecdotal.

If you have any specific questions feel free to ask!

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Hello and welcome. I would love to offer any insight I can. I became addicted to Vicodin after I had a very complicated delivery of my daughter over 7 years ago, I was 22. I had a valid reason for taking them in the beginning, but soon found a s a new Mother, with a colic baby and no real family support system, I began abusing the Vicodin's and continued for 2 years until I went to a counselor for help. I was refereed to an addiction specialist, where I was out on Suboxone...this was almost 6 years ago. I was put on a ridiculous dose(32 mg) and was told "not to worry about tapering"...I didn't ask any questions, becasue in the beginning I felt great and was happy to not be chasing pills/doctor shopping.
Now going on 6 years in, I feel awful most of the time. Yes my hair has fallen out, I have dental issues, serious LOW blood sugar episodes(hypoglycemia),problems regulating body temperature and my all time favorite....Anxiety with panic attacks. Before the subs, I was perfectly healthy and my lifestyle has really not changed, if anything it is healthier...I work out, eat 4 small meals a day and I am very active. All medical test have revealed "nothing abnormal".
Anyhow, I have to say I am not against Suboxone, I just feel the way it is prescribed is wrong and that a lot of doctors are not properly trained or held accountable.
It is of my opinion, that suboxone should be used as a tool no longer then 3-6 months. I believe the maximum starting dose should be no more then 12 mg, preferably 8mg. I believe after the first month, a taper should be initiated and that doctors should be overseeing the detox/taper process more closely.
I am now down to 8 mg myself and am hoping to get off once and for all this summer. I will gradually lower my dose every couple weeks until I get to miniscule amounts. I tried quitting once from a higher dose and it was the worst 10 days of my entire life and that says a lot given my past history as a teen. If given the chance I would I take detoxing from a 150 mg Hydro or a 10 bag a day heroin detox -all day, any day.
At this point I am just tired of it all...I had hoped I would have more children by now..I certainly won't bring any into the world on this stuff...I had hoped to travel abroad, to finish my BSN, to start my own photography business....the list gos on. I got clean from a horrible heroin addiction in my teens...I made a beautiful life for myself until my addiction came creeping back up in a "legal-pill popping form".My point is I have been through soooo much, most wouldn't believe it..I am truly lucky to be alive and have to believe that I was saved for a reason....I have fought through it all and came out stronger....that is, until the subs. This has been the one thing in my entire life that I have felt I can not beat. It is a POWERFUL drug...much more powerful then they hydro's I was taking.
Please feel free to PM me if I can offer any insight/advice. I would love to help in anyway I can...Again, I am not against Sub..I just think it has been prescribed incorrectly in the overwhelming majority of cases.


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And jmdear was not at all who I was referring to. :)

I think that a lot of doctors have been pretty heavy handed in their dosing and that dosing needs to be reassessed by the medical community.

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First off all, thanks for the warm welcome! That is truly appreciated!

I Myself have been busy prepping myself for training and my interviews, as well as tending to my family, lol, so sorry for the late response.

I want to mention that I am not here to offend or judge anyone, whether it's their stance on drugs, abuse, addictions etc. I'm simply here to learn and help, here as well as my community. I already have a great deal of knowledge in various areas, but I'm excited to become accredited to help my fellow men/women in their daily struggles with life, drugs etc.

I myself, on a more personal level, have never been an addict as I mentioned in my first post. But I have lived with it and seen the effects in real life. I know they can be absolutely devistating. And saying that as a sober person, makes me feel like anyone fighting an addiction as serious as opiates needs serious help and care, on many many levels (not just drug treatment).

Years ago I worked in the health and nutrition field. I had great results in various disease/ailments etc because I would look at the whole picture. I'm a firm believer in approaching things as thorough as possible, and that has been very successful. So, with my new potential position in this program, I will take the same approach.

As much as I hate to read the stories of opiate addiction and the effects it has on my fellow people, it's the best resource IMO to truly understand the whole picture. So I just want to say thanks again to all the honest individuals willing to share their stories as well as their treatments.

I'm not pro or anti drug, I'm for whatever it is it takes for an individual to reach their specific goals, in a controlled manner, and of course I'm speaking of becoming sober.

There is soooo much more I wanna say, but I'll save some for the next post.

Hope you all had a healthy day! And I truly mean that!

Thanks again for the warm welcome! It's truly appreciated! and as per the pleasure reward system, IMO everyone is an addict to something (or many things). Some just happen to be more damaging than others.

I don't judge anyone, please remember that. Addicts are not horrible people.

Rick


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Just a little more...

Our local suboxone clinic is very new, literally only a few months old.

I'm in a small community of roughly 3oo people, where roughly 10% of those people suffer opiate addictions. About half of those are seeking serious help.

so the more I can learn, and quickly, the better.

Thanks again, any help is truly appreciated and I wish you all well!

Rick


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I'm meeting with the clinic supervisor today!

Then the whole team meets tomorrow to make a decision on the potential candidates.

My interview should be coming up shortly...

Wish me luck folks...

I hope you all have a wonderful day!


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Good luck, Rick! I hope your interview goes well!

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Hey Rick!

I'm thrilled to see someone like you coming here to gain knowledge in order to treat addiction, especially opiate addiction. I don't have time to go into details right now but I will say this....I, for one, will never forget my induction day. I was a train wreck and when I saw what suboxone treatment could do, I was absolutely floored with emotions! Hopefully you will be a part of many of these highly emotional starts to recovery, your compassion is just what's needed at these times! Thank you for that!

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Big thanks Amy and Mycovery!

I'm very nervous right now, lol. I hope things work out in my favor.

Mycovery, thanks for the kind words.

Like I've previously stated, I just like to be well rounded as possible. And with that I think it adds alot towards the success of a program and much more importantly, to the addicted individuals.

I have such a strong desire to help, So just this time, career wise, I hope it ends up in my favor.

IMO, there is no other way to be successful in these programs unless you view the person as a whole, respect them as such, and treat them in a very professional, as well a personal level.

I just hope the program realizes my intent and hires me, lol. So I'm not just here typing this at home on a message board, lol

I hope everyone is having a wonderful day! Thansk again for the kind words, it's always appreciated!

Rick


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mycovery wrote:
Hey Rick!

I'm thrilled to see someone like you coming here to gain knowledge in order to treat addiction, especially opiate addiction. I don't have time to go into details right now but I will say this....I, for one, will never forget my induction day. I was a train wreck and when I saw what suboxone treatment could do, I was absolutely floored with emotions! Hopefully you will be a part of many of these highly emotional starts to recovery, your compassion is just what's needed at these times! Thank you for that!


Lets hope I'm given the opportunity to help!

Things got pushed back a little bit, but I should know by the end of the month.

My thoughts are with you all, and I hope yours are with me as well.

Truly and sincerely, I just want to help.

I hope today was a great day for everyone, if not, Tomorrow Can be a better day!


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Well folks, after many issues postponing out local suboxone program, I'm finally getting my foot in the door!

Tomorrow is my first introduction to a few of the newer clients!

An odd twist though, my interview is not until wednesday, lol.

Wish me luck everyone!

Stay sober and be happy!!!!

I'll update you soon


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