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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:53 am 
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http://projects.huffingtonpost.com/dyin ... -treatment

Okay I really hope that link works. This is a huge multi-chapter expose on the success and potential of suboxone treatment for addiction as well as the stigma even amongst other addicts in the recovery world. It's very long, but if you keep reading it in increments when you have a chance it's worth it. Some of the specifics of the evidence for treatment success with MAT I didn't even know. The article also goes into the origins of 12 steps and abstinence based recovery that became the one size fits all norm for addiction treatment in this country, and even goes into some of the abusive practices in treatment centers that occur when programs adhere to the status quo of militaristic, rigid tough love styled treatment that doesn't (in practice) embrace addiction as a medical problem as much a behavioral one. This piece is very positive because it shows that there are things in the recovery community that are WAY harder to defend than sub. This is not to say that there is nothing to gain from AA/NA teachings, but this article acknowledges that there needs to be a huge revamp of opiate addiction treatment in this country because it's become an epidemic. It is very well researched and talks to many doctors about this. For those of you living in Kentucky, I'm sorry I didn't realize how hard your life is. The article focuses mainly on treatment and legislation over treatment in Kentucky as the problem with opiate addiction has escalated significantly there and is one of the states where bupe and MAT are most stigmatized, least accepted by the law and recovery institutions and hardest to access by addicted patients.
Something I was happy to learn from this piece was that hazelden, one of the biggest names in 12-step recovery facilities, decided to start offering suboxone to their patients in 2013. At the same time they revised their curriculum to include more about the nature of opiate addiction and the overdose rates. As any of you could guess this had enormously positive results in even just the first year of the new program during which their drop out rate fell by 75% and nobody who participated in the new program in it's first year overdosed.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:28 am 
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Was just getting ready to post this too.

This writer covers it All. It is the truth. Read ALL of it. Thsnks ALL13...razor


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:16 pm 
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I'm so excited to read this later (have to go to my bupe appt 1st)! Thank you guys for bringing it to our attention. It's so frustrating to read stories with half truths and no sign of investigative effort.

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It sounds amazing. Thanks so much for posting the link! I will definitely check it out.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:50 am 
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No prob, I read the whole thing before posting just to make sure it wasn't one of those yeah-it-sounds-so-great-until-we-conclude-it-with-the-opposing-viewpoint-despite-their-lack-of-scientific-reading pieces. Sadly while finding this I also came across one of those anti-sub/half truth articles that was published in the New York Times. I hope that people with no experience with this treatment would read this piece first and commit to it enough to see the stats and opinions of docs quoted in it. And hey, isn't it interesting how most of the medical professionals in this article are in support of using all the options available to treat addiction and those who are shut off to it are judges and abstinence based recovery center administrators and basically those without a medical education?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:51 pm 
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Wow, I've just read parts 1-3 and I have to say it just saddens me. The whole thing. I am going to include the link to this article in an email to my senator (Lamar Alexander) re. the TREAT act currently in committee stage. I sincerely hope he takes time to read it before they bring this bill back on the floor.

How do so many people who treat addiction as a career ignore such compelling evidence? It is completely absurd.

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This is one of the reasons I want to become a professional in this field!!! We need a new generation of addiction specialists who create best practices based on scientific research!!

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I agree with the sadness on so many fronts in this piece. I find this to be the most positve information on Sub treatment to date.
The N Y TIMES article was very bias toward thec"Dark Side ". Mostly focused on sub as a street drug the the problems with "Bad" Drs.
The Huffington Post really seemed to look at just how our country sees Recovery!
Many suffer and many keep dieing, and That is what makes me so angry and very sad.
Its going to take more time, more articles and yes addicts themselves to stand up and somehow show the world just how well many of us are doing. Ive said before that this Sub system started out abit broken. Its all we have today. Like most of you, i thank mt lucky stars that im one of tbe lucky ones who can have this lifesaver of a medicine.
Hazelton is now on board. Thats big. There too treating this as it should be, as a medical issue. We also need peer support, where ever we can find it and importantly be accepted for our recovery as it is.

However when reading many of tbe comments we still are seeing the drug for a drug/we arent clean. Well, to bad..I feel we are all clean enough as we work on our lives..


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I love this quote from the story:

-Begin Quote-
He estimated that only about 1 in 5 who complete the program have a “real shot” at staying off drugs. And that’s being optimistic, he said. He later compared Grateful Life to the Marines: “Only the top 15 percent make it long term.”

Might Suboxone have saved Lillard?

“Could have,” Greenwell said. “But it’s not sobriety.”

Greenwell underlined his point. “It’s being alive,” he said dismissively. “But you’re not clean and sober.”
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Later they mention those on Suboxone have a 80-90% of not using after a year compared to 10% with abstinence.

So by the logic of the recovery programs mentioned in the story Suboxone is just opiate replacement, and thats worse then keeping people alive. Simply amazing how ignorant and stupid people are.

It angers me to no end the stupidity I see.


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