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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:37 pm 
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Romeo and I just brought up a real intersting point of getting off subs. Music actually gives me the chills again, its like i can feel all of a sudden. Its the best feeling I have had in three years. All my passion, hope lights up when I listen to a good song. Has anyone else had a similar experience. PLEASE SHARE the songs, artist and experience.
I personally found great inspiration in Eddie Vedder tunes such as "Hard sun" and Rise. Also Bad Compny "shooting star", Avett Brothers "head full of doubt", Crosby stills nash young, and others. Inspiration is huge in tappering. some of these songs helped and now when i listen to them i get chills like never before. so hopeful!


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Livin, i know exactly what you mean. Not necessarily the same music you speak off, but i am on day 5 of complete sobriety, no subs/ no opiates. My band of choice is Papa Roach but i found recently that some very strong lyrical songs have actually given me the chill and have brought tears to my eyes cuz i fell the emotion! thought that was just me!!! congrats on your beginning to recovery, this will be a long battle and i hope to hear more from you!!


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L i v i n, great post. Getting off Sub is obviously not easy, so the good parts need to be brought up. I'm still not off Sub, but I feel so insanely different already and I keep waiting for it to go away, but it's getting better. Yes, music is incredible. I'm not only learning to play the piano, but it's not like I have to force myself to practice. I WANT to. I started working on the guitar too. I love, love, love it!! I keep picking out the piano in songs I've heard a million times but haven't really noticed before. I feel like I have a great big rush of life and happiness in me so much of the time. It's so darn strange!!!!! You know what else is more fun now? Yes, yes, sex is actually fun, but actually, I was referring to dancing. I want to learn to break dance, lol. Oh, and also writing. I started writing again. I guess I'm doing a lot of things again that I haven't done for a very long time. It's fantastic. There's so much I want to do and I really do feel mentally like I'm having a big awakening. I guess I feel like a kid again and everything seems new and limitless.

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newlife13,

That's a big Hell Yeah on Papa Roach. I like their latest "Kick in the Teeth" a lot! "Lifeline" is real good too. Jacoby Shaddix is too cool.

I basically listen to anything Rock N Roll. Old stuff, new stuff, it's all Rock.

One of my all time favorites, for the power it seems to give me, is System of a Down, "Aerials". Holy Rock n Roll, listen to Aerials and tell me you don't feel a major surge of power from your toes all the way to your nose! It always helps to turn it up as loud as it'll go too!!

Congratulations on day 5 newlife, I know for the first few weeks I was coming off subs I HAD to listen to good music. I had the good fortune of recording a Stone Temple Pilots concert and I played it over and over and over again, especially at night when I couldn't sleep. STP's lead singer, Scott Weiland is a recovering heroin addict, he looked great and sang great in this concert I recorded. I recorded an Iron Maiden concert too, I think it was called "Live in Rio".....there had to be 250,000 people in the audience. The sheer number of people there was astounding.

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haha! That's great man! I LooooVE those chills, and all those emotions when I listen to music while tapering or trying to quit. I didn't actally think that it was so common. Sometimes I even get this immense euforia rush when listening to something. I just lie in my bed and listen to music, it makes the time go faster :-)
Anyway, I listen to Rock mainly, mostly older, classic stuff. So MetallicA is nice, as is Led Zepepelin. My favorite song is Hotel California by the Eagles. And just to name a few others, Love Hurts by Nazareth, Liquido> Narcotic, When The Smoke is Going Down by The Scorpions, Rammstein > Rein, Raus.
But basically, all music just sounds so good. Before I got on opiates I loved listening to music, and frequently got chills while listening. Oh, not to mention sex :-) the feeling is uncomparable.... Too bad all that goes away while on opiates/suboX....


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good call on STP there Romeo, i saw them live at jones beach last summer. SOOOO freaking good. Weiland is the man.


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livin, you lucky dog!! STP has a monster set they play, I remember watching their concert on TV and going WHOA the whole time because I had forgot they had that many kick ass songs. "Plush" and "Interstate Love Song" are a couple of my fave's by them.

bupeaddict....Metallica, Eagles, Nazareth (love Hair of the Dog too), Scorpions and Rammstein....yeah, I'm with ya all the way man.

Here's one that every guy on this forum should watch, listen to the music AND listen to the lyrics...."Porn Star Dancing" by My Darkest Days.....yeah, that's Zach Wilde chipping in on the guitar....Chad Kroeger appears in the video too. Actually, Laddertipper, you may want to watch the video....it'll help you keep those homes fires burning brightly!! LOL!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Well, you guys don't know what you've done. You got Romeo started on the music thing and now he'll be giving us regular suggestions, lol. Just kidding w/ u Romeo. U know I luv ya!! And you do always have good suggestions.

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I am always looking for good suggestions to ad to my ipod ..... its what gets me thru my workouts.. lately its been alot of sublime in my head.............................and Bob Marley..............anything reggae to me is good :)


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Good suggestion from my end,..... depending really on how hard of rock you listnen to. Papa Roach's Paramour Sessions is an abdolutely kick ass album. Couple suggestions: ( not necessarily lyrical to ways of life now) but just great feel to the guitar riffs " Alive n Outta Control" " One Track Mind" and "....to be loved) if youve never heard em atleast give em a shot!


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thanks!!! :)


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haha! That's great man! I LooooVE those chills, and all those emotions when I listen to music while tapering or trying to quit. I didn't actally think that it was so common. Sometimes I even get this immense euforia rush when listening to something. I just lie in my bed and listen to music, it makes the time go faster :-)
Anyway, I listen to Rock mainly, mostly older, classic stuff. So MetallicA is nice, as is Led Zepepelin. My favorite song is Hotel California by the Eagles. And just to name a few others, Love Hurts by Nazareth, Liquido> Narcotic, When The Smoke is Going Down by The Scorpions, Rammstein > Rein, Raus.
But basically, all music just sounds so good. Before I got on opiates I loved listening to music, and frequently got chills while listening. Oh, not to mention sex :-) the feeling is uncomparable.... Too bad all that goes away while on opiates/suboX....


Lol i love your name, BUT BUT you cant be addicted so sub! It is the same as being completely sober isnt it /sarcasm

Ya dude i couldnt even listen to music on sub, now i can't stop listening to song after song after song I LOVE IT


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hmm.... I think I actually am addicted to sub. I mean I've been taking it now for 4.5years (soon to be 5). I'd love to stop taking it, but there's the WD problem. So I physically need it, and I crave it when I don't take it. If that's not addicted, I don't know then?
Why do you think that one can't be addicted to sub? I mean it's a supstitute therapy, but still it's an opiate?


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I think he was being facetious there


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You know what, guys? I have got to pull my covers a little and say I've started to crave my Sub. So, now I guess I kind of know what a craving is for an opiate, to an extent. I doubt it's as strong as craving a full agonist. The Sub makes me feel so much physically better. I'm having dreams about taking it and I kinda count the hours down until it's time to take it. It's weird, cause mentally I feel good and I want to go take on the whole world, but the physical part is the part that sucks. Thankfully, I have tons of resolve or else I would just cave and go take a big, fat dose of films and I'd love it, I'm sure. I get the warm blanket thing. That really rocks when your hands and feel are always cold and then the warm Sub thing happens and it's such a lovely relief. I took my nighttime dose and my hands are nice and warm and I feel quite lovely and relaxed. I think my blood pressure must have gone down or something. It would be sooooo nice if this could just last me all the way until the morning. Weird how at these lower doses, it makes such a big difference when you take it and it's such a strong sensation in comparison to taking it at higher doses. I have to police myself pretty rigidly or else I'll just take it a little earlier and then I'll feel worse earlier the next morning.

laddertipper....is kinda trippin' right now...and sooo sleepy....

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hmm.... I think I actually am addicted to sub. I mean I've been taking it now for 4.5years (soon to be 5). I'd love to stop taking it, but there's the WD problem. So I physically need it, and I crave it when I don't take it. If that's not addicted, I don't know then?
Why do you think that one can't be addicted to sub? I mean it's a supstitute therapy, but still it's an opiate?


Dude its called sarcasm. Jesus christ man. They say opiates effect the pre frontal lobe that detects sarcasm so i guess this makes sense.

And let me ask you a question, sounds like your staying on sub cause your scared of withdrawal. Since when is making a choice based on fear the right one?


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@onniegrapples

Now, I guess that makes me look pretty dumb now :P I completely missed the point you being sarcastic.... yeah, shit happens.... :?
well anyway, I guess you're right, you could call it fear. I've tried to get off sub before, and have been tapering a few times, so I know exactly what suboX WD's like. The thing is, it's not actually all fear I think, rather the fact that I really can't function properly while in WD. And if the WD would last 10days, hell I'd be off this freakin' chemical in no time. But no, it just lasts so loooooong J.F.C! You know, I don't have desire to stay on this drug forever, I don't even like it. Maybe I have to get into a life situation that forces me off, or experience a change of mind? Or just force it trough....
Anyhow, I justa wanna say I've got a lot of respect for you! I've read your thread "Finally done". I appreciate you being completely forward and direct. Although not everyone can take that attitude.... I think you even make a greater impact on people by being so direct.


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Bupeaddict- DO NOT b scared of what you hear as far as how long the wd's will last. I'm on day 9 n I FEEL GREAT. Sure you'll hear people talk about PAWS lastin as long as 2 yrs n really f-ing with your mental state n depression but its the internet so u can't believe all you here. Everyone is different! Fact of the matter is that opiates n subs deplete the amount of endorphins your body produces so that's why you get those low down scared n helpless feelings, but there is plenty of natural healthy things to do that will replace these. You just can't expect it to b easy or we all would have QUIT a looooooonnnnnng time ago. Again day 9 n things are goin great as long as I just stay busy n DON'T think about it. I'm confident you will get there! KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!!


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Bupeaddict - I don't know what kind of tapering you've done in the past, but if you do it very slowly and keep your dosage drops small, allowing your body plenty of time to adjust, you'll save yourself much discomfort. It will take you longer going slowly like that, but why speed up the process only to cause yourself more w/d pain? Going slower will reduce the amount of both the acute w/d as well as post-acute w/d discomfort. And like newlife13 said, it's the internet - the most miserable people tend to scream the loudest, so you should take the horror stories with a grain of salt. Have you checked out the liquid taper thread yet? There have been plenty of people here who have quit sub without missing any work and were fine to be out and about and on their computer telling people how they are doing. Yet while quitting full agonists (which BTW, we can almost NEVER taper down off of) we were almost ALWAYS bedridden unable to work and even turn on our computer much less type and tell people how we're doing. Try to keep it in perspective. Give yourself time to do your taper right and you'll do fine.

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this is to the original thread starter... Not sure where you live but I have a friend who's sub doc will write 3-6 mo worth of his sub. NOt my sub doc.. no way. He wanted that money every month for a 3-5 min fake of a Bp check and then had my script pre-written and all he had to do was sign it and put some number on it. If I was still on sub I would of switch Md's ( off now and not ever gonna go on it again). THis does show you what a money maker it is for the sub doc's.


In Fla... I know everyone know's what the epidemic was with oxy clinics. The same oxy clinic also write scripts for sub.. what a racket.. Assist in increasng your tolerance to the dope then have the right to write rx for sub. Does anyone see a problem with this pic? If the sub md's can give 4-6 mo worth of subs.. why are they insisting on monthly visit? Most start you out at 16 or higher, I have heard of folks started on 40mgs. Does anyone see whats happening here?

I use to have panic attacks that something would happen like in Japan. And I would run out and be so ill I could not deal with being in wd and what ever horrible thing happen like earthquake. I have recent found out that many MD's feel it the suboxone that is causeing so many to have panic attacks.

ANyways... I hope this person finds a better MD. Maybe look for one that does have a GP practice, maybe these folks would treat us like a real patient with the DX instead of a guarenteed monthly income.


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